we've all turned into brats. can i have this game now please? no. why? cuz it ain't done.

There are developers out there whom have slain this beast while others have been less fortuned.

thats why its called the delaystation. it takes so long that it creates time exclusives on the 360.

Also theres very few Blu-Ray printing press factory's, and Warner Bros has first dibs over anyone. When developers get there cheep heads out of there ass, and realize that PS3 and Xbox 360 are totally different form each other making cross platforms releases more time consuming. For example you cant just take a Toyota Pathfinder engine and swap it with a Ford Explore engine with out lots of work and extensive knowledge with both engines. Developers may need to chose one platform.

Hopefully this will change over the upcoming months. One things for sure, this "delay" issue will not go on throughout the entire generation

There is nothing we can do about it, except buying games that worth it. But 4-5 years to wait for what will happen. So no need to invest in PS3 unthil then.

bc of difficulties coding for the cell processor. It isn't a big industry secret that the Cell isn't just a "games" processor. It is in all sorts of devices. Sony only went with the Cell because of Bluray. The Cell can be used as a games processor but it doesn't mean that it excels at it.

That is why it was rejected by Apple and will never see the light of day in the PC gaming market. It is just a bunch of BS hype just like the "Emotion Engine" was in the PS2.

Besides the development issues....

Making a game for the PS3 not only costs you more development wise but you get a smaller cut. Sony charges much higher royalty's and manufacturing costs than does MS or Nintendo...and certainly for PC. Then you also factor in the limited manufacturing facilities (only a few replicators are set up for Blu-Ray as opposed to DVD) and it creates a much less profitable scenario for developers. So they make their games on their bread and butter system where they will make the most money...and port over to PS3 to get a little more.

they're not ready. blame it on the cell, blame it on sony, blame it on whatever it is that make you feel better. if it aint ready it aint released (unless your EA), deal with it, moaning and spamming about which console is better doesnt help.

and LBP makes me want to hug someone...

I know i know "The PS3 is hard and complex" "The PS3 isnt selling like we all thought it would" yea yea yea

Sony is good at making hardware that is ahead of what we all think is now. They have been in the hardware biz for a very long time and the PS3 with the blueray drive will just prove they think in different terms then 98% of all American companys. They think of whats coming and not whats here....

Think MS didnt add HDMI because only 5% of the market has 1080p. Its all about future market and Sony will have that covered in a big way!

Do i really have to wait until christmas 2008 to see what this thing can do?

And what if by christmas 2008 the 360 has even better games again?

Even games that were developed on the PS3 first and then ported to the 360 still play better on the 360. eg Fifa 08.

It is all a bit disappointing, isn't it.

so games don't have to be delayed anymore. I hope developer that port from XBOX 360 to PS3 get use to doing it.

the few ports i have got (Vegas Graw Dirt Spilnter Cell Oblivan) i have enjoyed and most reviews have said the same. Even thou Splinter Cell was alot less polished on the PS3. Graw is well polished and looks awesome. Oblivan took 80hours of my life. Vegas was fun till warhawk...

I understand the system is new and advanced. I understand most new tech isnt easy for ppl to take advantage of. Im alright with it and i have all the faith in the world i will be getting PS3 games for many many years to come.

Plus they have Warhawk right now and no game is that fun online!

Warhawk is a fine example of what this system can do! If u played it you wouldnt be saying "Do i really have to wait until christmas 2008 to see what this thing can do?"

The argument, "Give developers more time to learn the PS3" asumes that after giving developers more time eventually developers will be able to be more productive than they are with the xbox 360.
They be able to be more productive when making PS3 games but that's independent of the xbox 360 development. Making games on the xbox 360 may still take less time and be cheaper anyways..

Put it this way... just because overtime you may be able to learn all the components of a plane it does not mean.. making a plane will ever be easier or cheaper than it is to make a car.

The advantage the xbox 360 have is that it's very similar to the PC... all those years developers have under the belt they can use when making games on the xbox 360. Let's also not forget that Microsoft is a software company... they make their own OS, and development tools. XNA is prove of how far they can go as to provide people with tools to make games on the xbox 360. No other company can provide more development tools than microsoft. And I think this situation reflects that. Sony may have the best hardware... and microsoft have the best development tools... lots of people are betting that hardware is more important than development tools in this console war... and that eventually each individual developer will be able to master the PS3 hardware.... that PS3 developers will not need all the years it took developer to master developing on the PC.
well lets hope...

If anyone even had the energy to answer, the questioner should still stand asking the same question, because he WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND why. (ignorance vs the person asking and all)

[edit] It's fun seeing people trying to justify why on no merrit at all. LOL. (I have none, but I can see through a bad laid up argument. I won't even try to). And going through media to understand is not enough. You have to read white papers and understand them to make a propper oppinion on what's the good and the bad. Who can do that here?

Yeah this is ridiculous. I'm with you Sony but get off your a$$ and help these developers figure out what the h@ll is going on. Ask some of the guys from Insomniac or Naughty Dog to help show them how to get things rolling. I'm sick of people talking about this.

The prize you guys get when your console of choice wins/loses this "Current-Gen" War...The way you guys are politicing it better be smething good....Oh wait you say there is no prize?? So you get free stuff?? No??....weird one would think that after all the bashing of other consoles Micro/Sony would be grateful enough to reward you....those bastards.

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Well, this much is obvious.

I must stop reading this stuff.

People keep touting PS3 "super" processing power, but does it make that much of a difference? Will the graphics look that much better? It's not like the difference between Wii and 360. Gameplay is considerably more important in my mind when the visual gain is so small....

In the previous generation, the XBox was superior in hardware terms but sould about 1/12th of the PS2. To put this in perspective, the original Xbox was easier to program for as it was basically a custom PC. At this point and the momentum of the 360 (exclusive content, xbox live, huge user base, easy porting to PC) it will be very hard for Sony to catch up as all they have at this point is a brand name that is eroding.

There were other development issues too, with EA games only being 30 fps compared to the 360's 60 fps. So, yes it might be an UT3 engine issue but I have a feeling it is more than that. MS is a software company and it shows when they make hardware (faulty) and Sony is hardware company almost all their products aestethically look nice, but their interface is horrid. To me this is an indication that PS3 was over-engineered!

I'm not biased towards any specific console. In fact I own a PS3 and plan to buy a 360. Not supporting a "white" console though ala Wii.

Making games for and with PC ach in mind u will always get a crappy ps3 version or delayed

Fact PS3 is NOT some Crappy PC based Machine like 360 is so making it like that u get what u get CRAP!

When i see game that r and soon will be made with ps3 first u will see huge diff in Quality and performence
in terms of look and play and use of blu-ray .

until that day Ps3 will be in back seat.

and @26 Venomous wow could u be anymore 13 years old And yes Sony will Smash the HOuse bill made that he copied from Sony from the ground up.

it seems people are very big hypocrites, the 360 had lots of delays it's first year. hell, even the wii is having delays.

Saying that Sony started the whole "Toy Story" games crap...the original XBOX had a quote very similar to that..someone posted a link to that but i forgot where but regardless each playstation when it comes out is always ahead of its time and thats what makes there lifespan so much longer. 360 is great for where games are at now PS3 is great for where games are going. By no means is this an attack on 360 check my tag i play it often but everyone knows growing up that if you wanted a quality electronic device you wanted a Sony.

Xenon requires copying the same data 2~3 times throughout system memory, while Cell can chew through it all at once (which is why 360 code ends up being bloated when ported onto the PS3, thus hindering performance a LOT). Trying to convert HLSL language into CG shading language is a nightmare, in addition to the huge differences in architecture on the GPU side.

PS3 came out later, thus its developers are about a year behind 360 developers in terms of experience. The SPUs are completely unique from almost anything on the market (except for the Emotion Engine) and have unique characteristics that encourages manual oversight of game code (rather than letting a compiler do everything for the programmer). The Local Storage, EIB ring, and Atomic Cache units are things that PS3 devs are still trying to wrap their heads around, and the results so far have been fantastic.

But trying to code the PS3 like an Xbox 360 is like writing Linux code for Windows. It just doesn’t work. You can program Cell to act like Xenon (albeit with twice the number of cores and twice the on-chip memory), but it still requires careful allocation of XDR and GDDR memory, as well as learning OpenGL and CG. DirectX is easier to get a handle on since it does a lot of stuff automatically; the downside is that this API is bloated and slow compared to OpenGL.

IMO this is due to lack of knowledge about the hardware. Yes it is harder to program for right now compared to 360 and the Wii. The 360 has had a year head start, so yes companies would be able to program it easier. The Wii on the other hand is easy to develope for.

If you look at all Playstation hardware from the first to the third they have always been difficult to develope for, but once everyone got used to programming for it, the software came out in droves.

In time the programmers will get this right, the games will release on the same day and everyone will be happy.

Just like MOST ppl here!, but it is newer tech meaning there is a bigger learning curve.

But I think it is more business politics than anything else. Had Sony introduced all their SUPER titles on the ps2 on the first 3 months of launch the system would have died. A slower and CONSTANT flow of games without flooding the market is great to build the user base and increase profits for the long term.

I doubt halo 3 would have been as succesful if the game had been released 1 year ago... less user base less viral marketing back then.

ps3 was designed to decode movies. what is so hard to understand?

Xbox 360 fan boys...here is the deal..Ps3 true name is delayedstation because of games being delayed..

And the Xbox 360 is the crapbox 360 because the system last the most, 3 months before it get bless with the 3 rings of death.

At least i don't I have pay an online to keep my games alive...Crap box 360

Why? Because they always suck on this console. (look PES, Madden NFL 08, etc)

yea because am using my cb 360 ;)

Stop whinning and go play some games..

And programers Learn how to deal with whats out there and start working harder..

Not everyone gets to sit down and work you know :P

Sony Rules!

How come it can do a game like Killzone 2 or the other games and Ratchet and Clank the people that agreed with him are the most retards in this site and the Emotion engine was not even close to being the same considering they made a game like god of war Bloodmask=extreme retardation seriously he doesnt even know what he's talking about considering he's always full of bs himself!.

How come it can do a game like Killzone 2 or the other games and Ratchet and Clank the people that agreed with him are the most retards in this site and the Emotion engine was not even close to being the same considering they made a game like god of war Bloodmask=extreme retardation seriously he doesnt even know what he's talking about considering he's always full of bs himself!.

How come it can do a game like Killzone 2 or the other games and Ratchet and Clank the people that agreed with him are the most retards in this site and the Emotion engine was not even close to being the same considering they made a game like god of war Bloodmask=extreme retardation seriously he doesnt even know what he's talking about considering he's always full of bs himself!.

Because the learning curve for it's asymmetrical multicore design plus not being the most common denominator for coding is biting it in the asss. I hope for the xbox720 M$, Toshiba, and IBM develop a derivative of the CELL. Since the uber PS3 was developed to skip the next upgrade cycle that'll leave the 720 to reap the benefits of using the PS3 as a test bed for it's next-next gen product.

Maybe SONY will have it's next proprietary data delivery medium off the drawing board by then. Since Beatamax, Minidisk, Memorystick, and iLINK formats have all failed.

I just don't know if we should call it the DELAYSTATION or the FLOPSTATION....

That the industry is setup for the 360, it was out a year earlier, and MS has did a good job getting the devs the resources they needed.

Then comes the Ps3, a different beast... What we have seen, is that devs are making games for 360 first, and then trying to port them to the PS3, and we all know this is not a good idea (Madden 08). What I believe happens is as time is closing on release date, they have the 360 game working but this darn Port is not working at all. Now they have to delay the PS3, to figure out how to get this Port to even work. I believe we will still see this until most of the games in making are done. Then we will start to see more PS3 games programmed for the ps3, and not ports. Iv read Devs say that a Ps3 Game, Ports better to a 360, then a 360 game that is ported to Ps3.

The amount of hate, hypocrisy, ignorance and blind loyalty at another company's expense on this thread is disgusting. Regardless of how any of us feel about any company, they are going to have their respective problems. Why not just enjoy whatever system(s) you chose, and quit trying to sound superior, or justify your choice to someone else? Do any of you really want other companies besides the one you favor to fail? Do you want a monopoly, where no-competition drives up prices to the max, less innovation becomes commonplace, and one or two particular types of game are a constant flood at everything else's expense?

Who gives a crap about the problems Sony is having until Developers master the hardware and find ways to cut cost without cutting quality? We can't do anything about that. And laughing about it, or making a PS3 owner feel bad about it is just childish, regardless of who started it back in the day. Who cares about the ever present red ring of death, and the billions Microsoft is in the hole because of it? We can't do anything about that, and again, it's silly and childish to claim superiority or mock someone who likes that system because of it. And finally: Who gives a crap that the Wii (with it's non-HD graphics but better capability than the systems that most of us were playing only a year ago) is doing the best, and probably will continue to for a while? Their success is good for gaming as a whole. It breaks gaming out of the pathetic pin-hole view that it viewed everything from for so many of the current years. It opens new possibilities. And regardless of whether one likes it or not, there's nothing we can do about it! Talking crap or claiming superiority to a Wii owner doesn't do any good either. It just brands you as a holier than thou hater, who isn't anything close to holy. Just annoying, childish, and embarrassing.

Lay off already and go have fun playing the system you chose instead of talking crap so that you can feel better about your choices. If your chosen system is so great, then rest happily in that knowledge and forget all the b.s. It's crap like this thread that adds to people thinking ill of gamers and gaming in the first place.

And now im happy

"All developers agreed PS3 is powerful indeed more so than Xbox..." -- While many developers would agree that the PS3 is the more powerful of the two, there are those out there whose quotes say otherwise. Many people think that the RAM in the 360 can be used more efficiently.

As of right now, the 360 is outperforming the PS3 in terms of how smooth games run, and framerate. I'm may catch up eventually, but the PS3 is not blowing the 360 out of the water like many people thought it would be. If it ever does, it won't happen for a long time. And if that time comes, the 720 will most likely already be out.

Develop for the PS3 first,then port the dumbed down version to the xbox360;problem solved.(this is bound to happen eventually anyway)

@angry:are you ignorant and don't know which way is up?(yes)

Here's an example JUST FOR YOU > Warhawk: 32 player online matches/ZERO LAG/very nice graphics/720 HD/framerate?(I don't know)/runs as smooth as a baby's bottom.

Now name ONE xbox360 game that tops that????

All very true. Guess have to suffer another frustratingly long wait till I get my own PS3 console ( with all the games that I want to buy - which hopefully'll be released early next year... plus add the soon to be released hardwares and upcoming "new' peripherals ... fingers crossed )
Thank goodness I bought an XBox360 - with so much games ( AAA games ) thats available on the market plus a lot more coming, this will take most of the pain of waiting.

developers will get it eventually.

My only problem is this, yes its harder to make ps3 games, and alot easier on the 360, so the 360 gets the nod, more games will be made on the 360 this time becuase its easier to dev for and the ps3 is alot harder to dev for, also its cheaper to make a the same game on the 360 and they also save money using dvd plus ms gives more then sony does.

That will keep happening, but im sure in a year or 2 multi plat games will come out on the same day if not sooner then the time i estimated.

The reaosn being is that while the ps3 is harder to dev for , all the devs are getting familiar and will be able to make games faster the next time around. Ea has had issues but by netx year they will have already made so many ps3 games that they will know how to fix these issues they are having and games will arrive at the same time.

My issue is that articles and devs have stated 2 things, ps3 wont see movies and tv shows this gen, and that it will take 3 to 4 years for us to see what the ps3 can really do, but until then it will be very very close , at the same time the 360 games will look better as the devs have worked with it longer and its easier to code for. but if its going to take 3 to 4 years for the ps3 to show signs that its more powerful then Thats not good for sony.

the 360 will always be cheaper, games will come out faster and for a while still be better, if not in graphics which might be equal soon at least ms has live and marketplace which while not free trumps sony's service. Theres nothing to argue about that. Live for a fee is better then sony's service(for now)

Now if it takes 3 to 4 years for the ps3 to come out of its shell, well do the math, a year longer or maybe around that time the NEW XBOX will arrive. Which will make things very very interesting. 4 years from now is 7 years of the 360.

xbox my black ass(i am really white)

No matter what if there's a delay there's a delay, i dont think much of it because life doesnt revolve around my games. I'm enjoying the systems I have without having expectations...whatever the systems are good at Ill enjoy. Be it multiplayer, motion sensing or true HD.

DON'T LISTEN TO DUMBASSES!!!
to all sony fanboys like me lets all unite and ban this ass kissing(microsoft),money hungry sites namely GAMESPOT, GAMESPY and 1UP. they are dumasses which does not have the right to be called review sites. they are all microsofts puppets! especially that guy AARON THOMAS he is full of crap because he is trying to destroy something that a lot of people put their heart and soul on perfecting a game like ratchet and clank
i must tell you guys right now it is the most awesome game i have ever played. it will make you say OH MY GOD!!!!! that is how good it is. the graphics is unbelievable they have put so much attention to detail that as a lot of people said almost like PIXAR quality and that is quite an achievement. all right people be smart and if you call yourselves gamers then test drive this baby and see what you've been missin, which to my mind is going to be the game of the year!! well i'll probably reserve that until i see uncharted drakes fortune. as for me i'm lovin every moment of this. thats all for now dudes.. peace out! AAAAAHUUUUUUUU!!!

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PS3 is like bad religion, you are raised and lectured (by Sony) to think it is something really big and great that does miracles and you have to follow the Sony bandwagon or suffer.

Yet there is no proof of this PS3 GOD. PS3 fails in every aspect. PS3 fans live in denial! Of course it hurts to admit you follow some silly expensive entertainment toy which offers nothing to gamers but couple of titles that you have to wait and wait and wait and wait and WAIT!
It is just an excuse for more advanced and expensive blu-ray player.

Play beyond with 360. It gives you more than promises.

edit: to CHEESE below
Thanks for the card, how nice of you. Though, it is sad that cheese like you tries to bash the winner based on the most boring and the oldest issue. Try to think something new that really hurts, obviously you tried that but sorry to say, you failed. FAIL like PS3, but what can we expect from the guy who is all green with envy.

yawn fest
oh by the way my dlck is bigger than yours

Wanna know the real truth as to wy PS3 games are delayed? just stop listing to yourselves talk for a change and listen to the devs. It would also help if Sony cared a little about the games and not loved Blu-Ray so much.

I've never bought a system where it initially had AAA titles from the get go, it takes time and as far I'm concerned the lineup so far is decent and is only the beginning of what the ps3 has to offer.Whether it will be through it's hardware or software the ps3 will have a lot to offer in the years to come. So enjoy your 360's, wii's and ps3's and let the developers deal with all the issues that come up, that's what they get paid for.

i don care if some games are delayed, the ps3 si a complex machine, so powerful, soon well be seeing the best out of this terrific machine.

It seems to be something that is fading from the human race. "I want it now" is all we seem to hear. Enjoy your PS3 for all you can and wait. Have some self control and in the future you'll see the track records of all the platforms unfold. I don't think it's SCEA marketing(this article) and it makes many valid points about what the PS3 is capable of. Sony wasn't supporting developers like they should have. Give it some time, it will all come around. The best things come to those who wait....patiently.

am still playing resistance online to notch game

because ps3 sux.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.