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War is over

Eurogamer: Towards the end of this year, the PlayStation 3 will celebrate its fifth birthday, with the Xbox 360 blowing out six candles on its cake about a week later. By this stage in the lifespans of their predecessors, these consoles would already be well on the road to replacement - five years after the launch of PlayStation 2, Sony was talking openly about the PS3, while five years after the launch of Xbox, Xbox 360 was already on shelves.

It's unsurprising, then, that speculation about the next generation of hardware is rife - especially given that Nintendo has fuelled the fires by deciding to unveil its next home console platform, codenamed Project Cafe, at E3 this year. In the past week, attention has also focused strongly on Microsoft, based on rumours that the company has sent very early development kits to close business partners. It's even been suggested that the company might decide to rock the boat with a surprise teaser for the new platform at E3.

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metsgaming5454d ago

not over till the last console is sold, or when all the companies have new hardware to sell. You can argue both but anything less than this its still on !

MintBerryCrunch5453d ago

"till the last console is sold"

that would mean that last gen is not over...PS2 is still chugging along, and at times competing with next gen consoles in terms of sales depending on region, such as Japan

metsgaming5453d ago

exactly but the "war" is over because the other 2 aren't selling and even if they are there is no way they are going to get near the ps2 numbers.

mikeslemonade5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

It won't be over til PS3 beats the Wii. I'm not backing down that easy!

FishCake9T45453d ago

@Mike
You really think that the PS3 is going to sell more than the wii?????...seriously??

metsgaming5453d ago

well it would be a long shot but the ps3 hasnt gotten to 199 yet and it will sell long after the wii has stopped. So it will be interesting.

Finger-Eater5453d ago

Well people are stil having a console war on PS2 and Xbox 1, Things never change.

The Killer5453d ago

i personally think the ps3 still have power to last 2 more years while 360 and wii are already dead from what new things they can offer

BattleAxe5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

I agree with the article on most points including the increase in laptop and apple products for gaming, but to us hardcore fanboy types, this console war will be over when Sony's PS3 surpasses the Xbox 360, and I'm betting that this will happen by the end of the year.

;)

Biggest5453d ago

"You really think that the PS3 is going to sell more than the wii?????...seriously??"

Playstation sold over 103 million units. Playstation 2 is currently selling with over 150 million units already on the books. The Wii is currently selling with over 84 million units already on the books. It is safe to say that the PS3 will sell over 100 million units. Sony will definitely support the PS3 even after the PS4 is released. Time will only tell if Nintendo plans to support the Wii after its successor is released. The PS3 outselling the Wii is very probable if using past company policy and performance as a guideline.

Aloren5453d ago

@Biggest : how is it "safe" to say the PS3 will double its current sales ? I mean, sure, it's healthy and all, but PS1 sold twice as much as all its competitors combined, PS2 thrice as much as all its competitors combined...they had room for such numbers cause they "killed" everyone else... but as of today, the PS3 sold just a bit more than a third of what the others sold, 5 years into the cycle. And 360 and wii are not anywhere near as dead as their predecessors. It's still possible though, but I wouldn't say it's safe (especially if project cafe is $300 or less at launch).

Istanbull5453d ago

War... War has changed...

ID tagged fanboys carry ID tagged controllers playing on ID tagged consoles

War... War has changed...

I'm not backing out until full PS3 Domination

shoddy5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

ps3 haven't reach $99 point yet.
bluray is a norm now.

people gonna like the fact that thier $99 bluray player can play GOW4.

people will have a choice: $300 Wii2 that can play HDgames + motion.

or $200 ps3 that can play bluray, 3D, free online, hdgames + motion.......

MaxXAttaxX5453d ago

Not hating on it. I have it and love it. The Wii's just too different.

IcarusOne5453d ago

None of you actually read the article, did you?

ZombieNinjaPanda5453d ago

@Shoddy

A 99 dollar Ps3? Either tell me what universe your're in, or pass me some of what you're smoking.

lil Titan5453d ago

might buy a PS2 soon since i cant play those games on my PS3 slim, havent had the honor to play Kingdom Hearts yet heard it was a really good RPG which i need right now

Arnon5453d ago

Lol... the mind of a fanboy. The Wii doesn't count because why? It destroyed it's competition?

MaxXAttaxX5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

No need to act like such a fanboy.

I was being honest. And I do love my Wii. I'm just not completely blinded like you.
I wasn't even bashing it! I was simply saying that it's so different that it can't exactly compete at the same level and with the same standards!

shoddy5453d ago

3 to 4 years from now ps3 will be $99.

what are you smoking foo.

ChrisGTR15453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

what war? oh you mean the war that only affects fanboys.

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evrfighter15453d ago

"wasn't even bashing it! I was simply saying that it's so different that it can't exactly compete at the same level and with the same standards! "

same standards? please don't say HD.

720p on your 40+ 1080p tv's...I'm sorry how is that HD? If you took a cowpie and rubbed it in your eyes. I'm pretty sure it'd be close to what you see on those consoles.

RedDragan5453d ago

What happens when the PS3 starts selling in China and Brazil?

They may have already had releases but those two countries are getting rich quick and are historically released later than the West because the market is cheaper... hence, they wait until production cost lowers to purchase cost to release in other less well off nations.

I can imagine in China there will be massive demand, while Xbox.... being American, will be snubbed.

DeadlyFire5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

PS2/Xbox/Gamecube war is still out there. Although Nintendo and Microsoft both dropped their last gen console. That likely won't happen this time around. Likely Microsoft and Nintendo will follow Sony's 2 generation at the same time lead. :)

War between PS3/X360/Wii won't end until production is ceased. At least 10 years from launch date.

pixelsword5453d ago

I'll let all of you in on a secret:

...there was never a war.

X-DominusRebellis-X5452d ago

Can we stop talking about these bullshit "wars" and just enjoy gaming? Who cares if another system is on its way. I feel like the PS3 hasn't even reached full potential yet. There's so many games for us to enjoy first before freaking out about the next system. It will come in due time, until then enjoy this gen! It's fucking awesome!

Arnon5452d ago

I've been called a fanboy of every console and handheld this gen. Gee, I must be a fanboy of everything! Please, do tell me what my vision is void of. I would like to know.

MaxXAttaxX5452d ago

You acted like one. Next time don't be so quick to judge.
Like I said before. It was an honest opinion. Yet you were very quick to call me a fanboy.

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r1sh125453d ago

the war will never be over....each generation is a battle.
Overall Sony has beaten all competition, but in this gen nintendo won by far...
Even thoug the xbox and ps3 are better consoles, sales numbers are the decider.
Wait for the next battle

hakis865453d ago

Agreed@every generation is a battle.. everlasting war! :P

You know I hope andwouldn't mind if the next Xbox and PS4 was announced soon, and on the shelves say next year? Because launch titles rarely look mindblowing anyway, and compared to todays games I'm sure we would struggle to see a huge leap (well we would see higher rez, better textures). However the amazing games always take a year or two.

bozebo5453d ago

No, the launch titles will look absolutely incredible.

The developers already have the software they need, they are waiting for hardware to catch up.

RBlaze5453d ago

'Overall Sony has beaten all competition'...

That's only true if you don't include all consoles... Like, Just including home consoles that (beginning with PS1 and N64, as the SNES was the gen before (sort of)) then yeah, Sony has beaten the competition sales wise... But include all consoles that have een out while Sony's been there (PSP, GBA, DS and maybe a chunk of GBC sales) and Nintendo are the strongest!

Regardless, the article is correct in that neither MS or Sony need to release a console. The PS3 is selling v.well but the 360 is also moving in large numbers, so, from a business point of view, Sony and MS will be happy where they are unitl they think that Nintendo will take either's share of the next generation's install base.

SonyPS3605453d ago

Wii is winning, Ps3 is losing.

The 360 is in the middle.

End of story.

Guard7195453d ago

Sales number don't exactly mean much. It is the quality of the console and the titles that determines victory. Games that capture the hearts and minds of gamers are what decides success, especially the exclusives as they represent a major player. Take a look at Modern Warfare 2, literally over $ 1 billion worth of sales sold, but the game was bugged, hacked, glitched, and essentially broken. Iron man 2 selling 2 million copies but the game was atrociously bad and the studio shut down. But THen Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, a couple million sold but a cultural phenomenon due to its story, performance, and other balanced aspects. When you harness that kind of cultural phenomena, thats what gamera will most remember and that will determine success in the long run.

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the_best_player5453d ago

For games PS3 has won hands down, Sony owns so many First Party Devs to make games. Life is good if you own a PS3 and like games :)

Menech5453d ago

It's a matter of prospective, for me the PC has the best games platform by far.

I will take The Witcher 2 over 15 uncharted games.

starchild5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

I don't know about that last part, Menech, but as an overall platform I far prefer the PC to any other platform.

The Witcher 2 is an astounding game, but personally Uncharted is easily one of my favorite console series. I'll take both. But I understand where you are coming from, everybody has their own tastes.

I will probably always own a gaming PC and at least one console.

This generation isn't over yet, so the war isn't over. That said, aside from company employees and stockholders nobody should care too much about that "war".

Games are meant to be enjoyed. So find which platforms will give you the most enjoyment and simply have fun. Who cares if your favorite platform is ahead or behind some other platform in overall sales?

Menech5453d ago

I said personally, am an RPG fan and FPS fan.

I haven't much love for Killzone or Uncharted and I have always preferred Devil may Cry to God of War.

I don't except everyone to agree am simply pointing out, the best gaming library to opinionated.

If where talking about the largest amount of none shovel ware exclusives sure the PS3 wins there. But Sony hasn't released a single PS3 exclusive that's in any way special to me.

schlanz5453d ago

I prefer gaming on my ps3 but the witcher 2 might be my favorite game this gen... Its at least the best rpg ive played this gen.

BattleAxe5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

@ Menech

That was the dumbest comment you could have possibly come up with. Anytime someone like you bashes Uncharted, then I know you have never play either Uncharted game. Besides, the developer that made The Witcher 2 is already taking about porting that game over to consoles.

As far as PC being the better platform, on one hand I kind of agree with you, especially ever since I became an advocate for Steam and all the great deals they have on PC games and all the features that Steam offers their users, but I love Sony's products so much, and the PS3 is pushing alot of boundaries with the quality of the games it has like Starhawk, Killzone 2 & 3, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet 1 & 2, Modnation Racers, Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted 1 & 2, and also with Portal 2 having Steam connectivity and services like HOME, which is almost a platform in and of itself with all of the games you can play for free and the social networking elements it has.

Now if Sony were to either integrate the PS3 into their newer TVs, or if they were to come out with a PS3 kit that would allow you to install a PS3 inside of your computer case along side your other PC hardware(they would operate separately of course) I would be in heaven.

humbleopinion5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

Menech, totally agree with the fact that the library is a matter of personal preference.
But the_best_player is obviously wrong with this "For games PS3 has won hands down" argument when looking at the game tally: when comparing the size and quality of the whole game library (witout bias of our personal preference), right now he Xbox 360 sits on top - all you have to do is take a look at the number of games for each console in gamerankings (and their respective review). The 360 is still having the lead thanks to the one year head start and the new frontiers it pioneered (XBLA for example). When this generation is over the PS3 might be on top, but right now it's still behind.

Anyway, it's amazing how many people here comment without reading the article first (There should be some form of "Article IQ" test for people who are going to comment, so they can only comment if they read the god damned article).
The article only claim that the war is over because both Sony and Microsoft "won" - they reached a point where it's profitable for both of them to nurture this gen instead of jumping to the next gen - but this is where Project Cafe might shuffle the cards. It has nothing to do with who's leading the race, because both consoles are lagging behind the Wii and yet both are amazingly successful.
Think about it: never in the history of video games we had the "2nd place" home console selling over 50 million units. But this generation we are witnessing 3 different consoles passing this number. At the end of this generation, it's possible that all three consoles will be more successful then the original NES - and that's really amazing.

Aarix5453d ago

Life is good when you have a console with a game you like, period. Whether it be gears of war or uncharted, or halo and killzone.

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LiamIRL825453d ago

Yes the war is over, console wars are so stupid and pointless. WHY CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG!!

b163o15453d ago

It's on our DNA, Take away are thumbs and were nothing but animals. :)

the_kutaragi_baka5453d ago

Competition is a good thing. It helps breed higher quality games.

Blaze9295453d ago

so, who official ends a console generation? Nintendo with their Wii 2? Or when all three companies launch their new system?

DeadIIIRed5453d ago

I would think it would be when all major players stop supporting the consoles of that generation. So the 6th generation is still chugging along. Just because a new generation comes along doesn't spell the immediate end of the previous.

SleazyChimp5453d ago

May be the lowest common denominator, but at least he use his low quality mic to cross game chat.

pain777pas5453d ago

The PS3s best years are still ahead of it because of Price and the Bluray drive. If a developer still wanted to make PS3 games they can. Even if Sony puts 3 cells and a powerful GPU in a new box they will be backwards compatible. We are at the point where Bluray discs have enough memory capacity to legitimately last for many years to come. In many ways there does not need to be another disc format. Sony could get away with 3 cells and a powerful GPU for the next generation but as we know it will be how you play games now that is going to matter most. PS3 at 199 will do extremely well and may delay the next generation from getting underway in proper. The PS3 offer everything you looking for from a standard console. How you play games will be the differentiating factor next gen. Sony better take a risk for great reward if they want to lead again. Nintendo has found their own lane so they should do fine. Microsoft will hold the West as long as they do not leave their fanbase in the cold by trying to be something they are not.

Jaces5453d ago

Give me 2 more years and I'll be ready for the next batch of consoles. :D

SephireX5453d ago (Edited 5453d ago )

As an owner of both consoles and a very powerful pc, I hope the next gen is 2014 (I care not for the Wii 2). I'm happy the way things are. UC3 and Gears 3 later this year and many more ps3 exclusives. LA Noire just after releasing along with the Witcher 2. There are plenty of games to play and I don't believe ps3 or 360 gamers are fed up with this gen yet. The PS3 certainly hasn't been maxed out yet and we've yet to even see what Agent will be like. Let's not forget about Versus and who knows, MGS5 may well be on its way too. We still have the next GTA and Resident Evil to come. So in the words of Liquid Snake, its not over, its not over yet! Oh and let's not forget about Bioshock: Infinite.

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no_more_heroes5454d ago

People just need to grow the fvck up and stop with this console war bullsh!t. Just play games.

End.

Nykamari5453d ago

So TRUE BRO!!!! Preach on Playa! To me it's no War, just crazy Fanboys acting Foolish! Play games on all systems if have them and be happy. I like the Wii for games, XBOX for it's games and Playstation for it's games. Nice variety!

Shok5454d ago

Yes it is, IMO at least.

Anyone still rambling on about which console is better are sad, pathetic people. Any point that could be brought up against the competition has been driven into the ground by now, it's old.

The console war IS going on in terms of this gen isn't over yet, and the 360 and PS3 are still competing, but the fanboy war thing is old and needs to be put to rest.

mastiffchild5453d ago

And yet we'll have a million articles over the next month asking "who "won" E3". If the media would drop the fanboy BS maybe gamers would follow suit. Scandalously weak this generation in terms of games media. Terrible.

Seriously, who "wins" E3? It's, by and large, a big press junket and expensive,silly way of revealing news that gets leaked in the build up anyway. How do you win that when it's all down to opinion and there's no way of measuring it? It's a joke.

Shok5453d ago

I think the whole E3 thing is fine. They're just asking who had the more entertaining show. Yea, it's all a matter of opinion, but anything gaming-related is opinionated, pretty much. Besides, who won has nothing to do with the consoles really, just "who had the better show?"

I think the Expo is healthy competition, as each company tries to out-do the other, making it all the better for us gamers.

espiritu6045453d ago

there is a way of measuring it.
compare it by polls.

Rybakov5453d ago

it was never who the hell really cares about how many consoles sold.....last time i checked gaming was about having fun and relaxing with a interactive form of entertainment....not competition and sales

but then again leave it to journalism to ruin our hobby and turn it into a blood fest...only for all the major companies to think that people actually buy into this crap

Aarix5452d ago (Edited 5452d ago )

"It was never who the hell really cares about how many consoles sold.....last time i checked gaming was about having fun and relaxing with a interactive form of entertainment....not competition and sales"

Who the hell told you that. We buy console to invest in bragging rights. It was never about games. jk

MasterCornholio5453d ago

Only fanboys believe in console wars. In my post in Microsofts E3 conference i was severely trolled by a ton of 360 fanboys. I keep telling people that N4G is filled with fanboys of all types but give me a ton of disagree through multiple troll accounts.

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Price Update

Starting today, Game Pass Ultimate drops from $29.99 to $22.99 a month. PC Game Pass will also drop from $16.49 to $13.99 a month. Prices may vary by region.

Beginning this year, future Call of Duty titles won’t join Game Pass Ultimate or PC Game Pass at launch. New Call of Duty games will be added to Game Pass Ultimate and PC Game Pass during the following holiday season (about a year later), while existing Call of Duty titles already in the library will continue to be available.

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Neonridr4d ago

can't wait to hear how this is spun negatively.

darthv724d ago

Its nice there is some kind of drop... but is that all they really value CoD to be, a lousy $7 a month?

I was hoping it would drop by $10.

MisterBoots4d ago

That $7 equates to $84 per year - which is more than COD new ($69.99 + tax).

So - you can get the exact same thing - and save a few bucks - or you can skip COD and pocket the savings or use toward another game - or games if on sale.

That’s how I’m taking it - and is enough for me to sign back up after canceling the day it went to $29.99.

fr0sty4d ago

It's unlikely that COD is going to be the only title they stop offering day one, but we'll see how they play their hand.

VenomUK3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Including Call of Duty in Game Pass is just leaving money on the table. When the Elder Scrolls VI releases hopefully Microsoft doesn’t launch it into Game Pass. Then it can make more profits and use it give more value to Xbox console owners!

1Victor4d ago

Can’t wait to hear how this will be spun extremely positive. 🤣
I wonder why knowing Microsoft thick head something must has happened in the background in the levels of Xbox one and Kinect 🤷🏿

fr0sty4d ago

Any price cut is a good thing in this day and age, but it also reveals a flaw in GamePass' design that we've all been calling out for years... it's unsustainable, especially with day and date releases on new games. COD won't be the only game they exclude, they're setting a precedent with it that they'll likely expand upon in the future.

At least they're being realistic about it now. I bet in the future we're going to start seeing them try to subsidize the high price of new consoles by making you buy 2-3 years of gamepass with it to get the console cheaper. I'm still not sure that'll be enough to save either the hardware or gamepass, but we'll see.

Neonridr4d ago

price cuts are good, the removal of Call of Duty is clearly something they are planning to leverage. But considering everyone around N4G claims Call of Duty sucks, it's not a big loss now is it?

LucasRuinedChildhood4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Well, they're removing their biggest game from being Day 1 on the service so GamePass users can buy it instead. That's the intention.

They increased the price to $30, then removed COD and dropped it to still be above the old price.

It's an understandable compromise but the consumer Ultimately is getting less.

Think the calculation is that *most* COD users don't play that many games and aren't interested in GamePass. The GamePass users who do like COD would just buy it anyway. MS reportedly lost out a lot of money last year putting COD on GamePass.

Bathyj4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Well Call of duty could just be the beginning. What other games can they trim from the service to get the price down? How long before it's just the Xbox core first party studio games and not the one to everquired?

Create an interesting scenario with Call of duty as well. Will people wait a year to play it? Does that split the fan base? Will it hurt to Call of duty more than a benefits Game pass? These are all legitimate questions which we will find the answers to in the coming years

And I don't consider my post negative spin just realistic observation. At the very least this backtracking can be seen as an admittance that the previous strategy of gamepass was not sustainable as most of us said.

darthv724d ago

I'd get rid of the EA and Ubisoft+ too. That should bring the price down more. The only game from either of those parts of the service i played was jedi Fallen order / survivor. both of which i also bought on disc so it was more of a convenience i didnt have to put the disc in to play when i was playing them via remote play. And really that is why i still use GPU and PS+. its the convenience of having the games ready to play from a remote location. I havent picked up my consoles controllers in at least a few years. I guess that makes me a bad gamer, but so what. i'm still playing the games, just not physically on the machines themselves. GCloud and Portal are my go to now.

GhostScholar4d ago

They’ll say no one is buying game pass so they had to drop the price , even though it’s been extremely profitable.

Outside_ofthe_Box4d ago

Why remove CoD if it's *extremely* profitable then? Why even increase it to begin with?

Outside_ofthe_Box4d ago

Always funny seeing those that defended the price hike go "how you gonna spin this now!" after the price drops.

You should be thanking those that called it out. Obviously this is a good thing especially with everything increasing nowadays.

Also, what happened to the reason why that the Activision acquisition was good for gaming was that CoD would be day one on GamePass? Another backtrack on that I guess...

What removing CoD on GamePass shows, is that it's not sustainable for for the more popular and/or bigger budget games because of the sales you lose out on like people have been saying since inception. It never made sense to put CoD on there unless you thought it's popularity would draw in a lot of subscribers which it obviously didn't. And if it was as sustainable as people claim they wouldn't have increased the price while putting it on there in the first place.

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KicksnSnares4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

New Xbox Boss the 🐐?

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Vits4d ago

In my region, it’s still more expensive than it was before the last price hike, but it’s a far more viable price point.

Losing Call of Duty from the service, honestly, has zero effect on me, and given they chose to make it so, it’s probably not the big seller they originally thought. Overall, it’s really good news, but I still think they have work to do on the tier structure, having Premium and PC at the same price point with different features feels odd.

Lightning774d ago

Yep take COD out. Them waiting a year is interesting but it make sense. They don't want certain ppl waiting 4 to 6 months they want fomo and maximum sales. Wait a year while the new one releases.

Ok so far so good.

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Starfield Was the Best-Selling Game in the US Following PS5 Release

Senior Director and Video Game Industry Advisor at Circana Mat Piscatella has revealed Starfield was the best-selling video in the US based on dollar sales for the week ending April 11th.

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jznrpg5d ago

For the week that nothing else of note launched.. I’m sure it will sell some copies but look at what released that week

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z2g4d ago

It’s not a requirement to buy games every month or whenever one is released. I don’t think people are going to spend $70+ on something they don’t care about.

GotGame8185d ago

I have talked about not being able to get into this game at launch. I still haven't given it another go, even though I think it looks great and has come a very long way since launch. Some people just want it to fail, even if it is a great game. I know why, we all do.

Starfield didn't just have the best sales for a week, but it was pre-ordered on PS store, with very nice numbers. I really need to start it again, on my PS5 though. So I can see how it is now. It has had some major updates.

I am looking forward to it all over again now.

Huey_My_D_Long5d ago

Its not that people want the game to fail. Its that Bethesda wont ever improve their games if you guys keep calling slop like starfield great games. Pure as that. Formulaic, chasing the trends, slop.

Like Bethesda has fallen off since FO4.

Ive a PC 4070, no interest in Starfield since the beginning since despite Bethesda owning some serious FPS legacy within their ranks...They just like seem to hate good shooting mechanics.

I dont see whats the appeal and thats ok. But how can you guys call it great? By what metric? The story? The Gameplay? The package all together? Hell I'm enjoying Crimson Desert, but I've got my issues with some design choices, but I do think the game is better as a whole than its individual parts. Is that the case for Starfield?
To be honest alot of you starfield stans dont make a great case for yourself, since I've never heard a starfield say what it is they enjoyed about it other just it being another Bethesda game that feels familiar yet new to them. Yall dont make the case on whats so great about starfield that keeps you coming back.
What does it do that makes it great that everyone like me is missing?

Like I wanted to like the Starfield, but after seeing its first trailer, it pretty much came out like I thought it was. Bethesda has been coasting off prestige for years now. and honestly starfield is proof of that.

CrimsonIdol4d ago

I'm fine with the game being janky Bethesda-core etc. For what it's worth it's more polished than previous games have been and the shooting mechanics are fine, feels pretty good even.

What I'm not fine with is it just being completely dull in every way. Even if they managed to resolve the structure of the game constantly sending you back and forth through maps and loading screens it's still going to be dull. The original The Outer Worlds did Fallout in space better, and that was hardly perfect (I haven't played the second one so I can't comment on that). At least The Outer Worlds had some interesting characters, enemies and locations. Starfield has none of that. They can argue that it's more grounded/going for realism or some nonsense (yet it's still doing Star Wars/Firefly style space travel) but it's fundamentally dull.

I dropped loads of money on a copy of this game at launch and I've no desire to get my money's worth out of it, I pretty quickly cut my losses and moved on. I don't know what happened to the writers for Bethesda, I presume they all moved on and have since been replaced by Jenny from accounting.

sweatyrich4d ago

I agree with @CrimsonIdol
I played the game to completed, but it's version of NG+ simply didn't appeal to me, so I never went back to it.
There's base-building, but it really serves no point, other than, there's base building. If you're into that, you have it, but I didn't touch it at all, as it wasn't part of the story ... At all.

The main character models are "ok", but the NPCs are just bad.

And IMO, people shouldn't be OK with a Bethesda game being janky. They're a big company, and should be jank-free by now!

MrBaskerville4d ago

I've given it another go and with the new more modular difficulty i managed to balance it a bit like Stalker 2 and it has been a lot more enjoyable this time around. The free roaming in space also helps a bit. Still prefer older Bethesda games, but it's growing on me
ever so slowly.

Jin_Sakai5d ago

Curious gamers. They’ll soon find out soon enough how trash it is.

Reaper22_4d ago

I dont think so. The games has been well received on PS5. Getting good scores too.

Jin_Sakai4d ago

Digital Foundry showed how bad the game runs even on PS5 Pro and crashes. It can’t even hold 60fps and not a looker to begin with. 🤷‍♂️

Grilla4d ago

I found out. I loved FO4 and wanted to judge Starfield for myself. I should have waited for a sale.

Putte5d ago

It's still as Bad as it was on Xbox. Of cause some playstation user's are curious and because there is a lot of them then the sales are gonna be somewhat okay for small time period. But still a very sad story what starfield turned out to be. Maybe the biggest disappointment in my gaming life.

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