i dont get why they just dont open an online store and even retail stores and compete with places like gamestop instead of taking it out on the ones that dont trade in games like me by having that stupid online pass shit they are starting to do..

i dont trade but i let my lil bro borrow my games every now and then.

sell your own shit its not like if the money isnt their to be made..

I don't know why used sale are such a problem now. Devs make money off of the initial sale. This was never a problem until now. If I can go to amazon or ebay to find a game 15 or 20 off of the full price, then I'm going to take it. They have to understand not everyone can buy each and every game brand new. Most of us have mortgages, wives, kids, responsibilities, so we can't casually spend 60+ dollars everytime a game comes out. If I buy from gamefly i get an automatic 15 dollars off and the online pass if the game requires it.

the market is saturated that's the problem. not enough players for the numbers of games and devs. this gen has proven this point as there has been a LOT of companies closures. Mainly because of dev cost and sdk costs.

since there aren't enough players to buy all the games they're getting thrown at, publishers have to rise the price according to the copies sold on average.

but then this create a vicious circle prices are now 60$ a pop (USD and CND) as opposed to when they were 50. We buy less games and so on...

Plus the games are even shorter to cut down development time/cost.

there should be some kind of video game U.N. to control quality, cheap DLC and deceptive marketing.

Used gaming has been around since 1986. Why is it taking them around 25 years to suddenly go "It's just as bad as stealing?"

Honestly gaming companies are beginning to become power hungry ever since the industry increased.

You do realize that there's positives to used games.

You know when a user trades in a game they RARELY get pure money, they do in-store credit which pays for new games, so instead of a new game once every 6 months, maybe they can afford a new one every 3 months.

Devs like Molineaux constantly lying about features they games won't have is a problem. Fake journalism spreading lies is a problem. Biased websites with superficial reviews is a problem.

If I have nobody to trust, I will not buy most games when released or new. I earn my money honestly and want to spend them the same way.

Ok Lion Head. I have a great solution. How about I stop buying your over hyped games all together, used and new.

Problem solved.

Fact of the matter is that once I bought a hard copy of the game then it's mine to do with as I please and I feel I had my time with it and wants to sell it then you have no right to tell me not too.

No shit. You know what system you are making that game for. An RPG needs to be very good to attract the 360 crowd. And they go and half ass fable 3 expecting 8 million in sales. These guys are the biggest lying whining bunch of losers out there. They are all rich at the top.

the way i look at it, most people who pirate games would never even buy the game to begin with. so the company's cant even count that as a lost sale. but its a different story with used games.

I agree with Peter

BTW I've pre-purchased Fable III Steam Version and Gifted it to one of my friends for Coop.

Can't wait finally Fable the way its meant to be played.

LionHead do us all a favor and make a decent game...maybe then ppl will buy

Actually when you think about it places like gamefly cut into more sales then buying used games. Gamefly will by like 200 copies and rent them out to thousands of people. I never buy used games because I have always felt that helping the dev's is more important than the 5 bucks I would save buying it used.

This is so ironic lol I`m downloading it to try it and see how it looks on my PC.But i will delete it after i don`t really like keeping pirated games on my pc. I rather give the money to the developers. I just see pirating as a way of trying out the game. That is if your honest...

Besides this game i am not that interested in but i will buy it for a relative.

Wow, you guys just clearly do not understand.

Used gaming is a way for the consumer to catch a break. We're in a god damn recession for Christ's sake, we are trying to save as much money as we can. Used games are the result of two things: 1) wanting cheaper games and 2) wanting cash for games you don't play anymore. The result? Used game sales.

Look at the automobile business. Manufacturers openly have USED cars along with their new ones on their lot. This is simply to maximize profits. Instead of being like hard-headed game developers, they are thinking smart. If customer a buys car x for $5,000 and brings it back a year later, we give him $1,000 and sell it for $3,000. It's simple, really.

But game developers are so intent on "go big or don't go at all" that they're trying to obliterate the sale of used games entirely with the inclusion of online passes. So, to relate to the car analogy I used earlier, picture this: Instead of manufacturers and salesman featuring used cars on their lot, picture this: they offer you new cars for $5,000, but if you want air conditioning and radio, you have to pay another $1,000. No, those 2 things are not required, but they are included in almost every other car. Why pay for them?

It's absolutely ridiculous. To put it lightly, publishers need to get their head out of their ass and work WITH the consumer, not against them. If EA sold used copies of 360 and PS3 games on their site, and had some sort of a buyback program, we'd be getting somewhere.

Well MAYBE just maybe, you should try to make games that are of good quality that way people people will have a harder time trying to let go of the game. You don't hear people letting go of Uncharted 2 or Mass Effect 1. (well at least not many people).

If you make a game that has plenty of replay value then you shouldn't have to worry to much about used sales.

And that way you could focus on piracy whilst at the same time boarding people's wallet and taking their money through DLC.

This is two ways, one one side, they seem to be right. On the other side, if I purchase a $60 game, and done with it, I want to be able to resell it to recoup some of my losses. The money that comes will of course go to buying more games.

If I did not have the option to resell them - or swap, or tradein, whatever, I would be buying much less new games, especially full price during release.

I'm tired of hearing how bad these game developers think they have it....What about the people that buy games new? $60 a game X millions of players? And you still want more? They ought to be happy people are buying their games used at all. Do you want some profit or none?

How about...
*Make better quality games.
*Give us more content than what you feel is necessary.
*Most DLC should be free or included.

Then I'll give you your precious $60 per game. Until then, I'll be raiding the used-game section for games that don't deserve a day 1 purchase. Fable 3 was terrible...thats why you're losing money Pete.

Maybe they should expand to more platforms from the offset... perhaps? There's an answer to their supposed "problem" right there.

Or make better games worth buying!

Erm but 'used' games are bought new to begin with, so the developer/publisher gets their $$ anyway? AM I missing something. It's already been purchased.

Are they saying they want to double dip? Greedy me thinks

I buy all my games new and often trade in the ones that disappointed, have no replay value, or have a sequel that makes owning the earlier version redundant (sports games, COD, ect.).

If I couldn't trade in, I'd buy less games and certainly would never consider buying mediocre games (like Fable 2/3) as my money would be even more precious.