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Nvidia: The Future of Graphics Processing

Tom's Hardware writes: Nvidia's Tony Tamasi took ECGC 2011 attendees on a trip to the past, to the present, and to the future of both GPU rendering and mobile graphics.

During ECGC 2011, Nvidia senior vice president of content and technology Tony Tamasi made a startling prediction during his keynote presentation called "The Future of Graphics Processing." He claimed that GPU performance will increase 1000-percent by 2015, allowing graphics cards to generate real-time ray tracing and procedurally generated smoke at 30 to 60 frames per second.

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OMGitzThatGuy5471d ago

This summer im saving ALL of my money to get the best AMD Processor and the best Graphics Card for mah rig.

kyl2775471d ago

get an i5-2500K, there is no reason to get AMD now as bulldozer is coming at the end of the year and the 2500K beats anything and has out at the moment

AKS5471d ago

I'm ready to build a new rig this year, but AMD's news about CPUs due later this year is what's holding me up. I'm thinking about an XFX 6990 and whatever CPU looks the best (for the price; I'm not getting a $1000 CPU for no reason if I'm not going to see much benefit from it) by the end of 2011. If nothing new impresses me, I'll just get the 2600K-i7 and OC it.

Theonetheonly5471d ago

Excellent article very well written.

Star and Flag. :)

steve30x5470d ago

@AKS : In my opinion spending $1000 on a CPU just for gaming is a total waste of money. I have a Core I5 760 overclocked @ 3.8GHz with a GTX580 and 4GB DDR3 ram and I havent come across any games that it wont kick its ass. I am getting over 60FPS in every single game I play and thats including the latest games.

AKS5470d ago

@steve30x I tend to agree, which is why I'm leaning towards a ~$300 CPU to pair with a +$700 video card.

Hell, I just have an old Q8200 paired with a GTX 460 1GB at the moment and seem to be able to play most games at pretty respectable settings most of the time (@ 1080p anyway). I am not convinced that those expensive "extreme" CPUs are going to add much to the experience even though I could afford one if I wanted it.

I'm upgrading with a new build soon largely for BF3 and some other upcoming games that I think could push the envelope. My current setup is a bit dated at this point and won't get the most out of games like BF3, and I want to finally play Metro maxed.

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ATiElite5471d ago (Edited 5471d ago )

$224 will get you an awesome Intel Core i5 2500K with an unlocked multiplier allowing you to overclock it easily to 4.7GHZ on air (w/ a good heatsink of course)

But if your an AMD fanboy then by all means go ahead as their 6 core CPU's will be under $200 when the new Bulldozer CPU arrive.

As far as GPU's go 560 GTX or HD 6950 are the best bang for buck GPU's and if you get two then you have more power than a 580GTX but at a cheaper price. Even one of these GPU's are great and you wouldn't have to upgrade until DX12...even then it's optional.

Ray Tracing has already been implemented into SOME games. I can't wait for fully rendered Ray Traced games as photo realistic graphics are at our finger tips.

Bear_Grylls5471d ago

What do you think of the rig I'm building below?

GrumpyVeteran5471d ago

+1 for the ATI 6950, really good bang for buck and if you got one earlier on you can flash the firmware to unlock it into a 6970.

CPU wise, really not sure. I have an i5 750 at the moment and it's awesome, but the i5-2500k is really really awesome, and I don't know how good AMD's cpus are gonna be.

steve30x5470d ago

@ AtiElite : Crossfire or SLI is a waste of money.I had 2 x GTX470's in SLI for six months and its a pain sometimes to get games to work with it. One game I can remember would only give me 30FPS with SLI enabled and in single graphics card mode I was getting 70FPS.

Kakkoii5469d ago

@Steve30x: That's because generally when a game comes out, you have to wait for a driver update to add a good SLI profile for it. Saying it's not worth it just because some games don't work with it is kind of a pointless argument. Since you can always switch to single GPU mode for those rare games. Not going with SLI at all would merely force you to always be using single-GPU... lol

And SLI in many cases can get in the 90% performance in crease range. Nvidia has done a great job with their drivers.

steve30x5466d ago (Edited 5466d ago )

@Kakkoii : I know how SLI works. You must not have read that I was using SLI for six months up to two months ago. Also your point about wating for an SLI profile in new drivers isnt always true. In WRC 2010 I waited for an SLI profile that would work properly and there was none up to the time I stopped using SLI and moved to a single GTX580. There were also a few other games that are over a year old that ran horribly in SLI (TDU2 is one other example that never ran right in SLI even with the newest drivers).

You also say that you can switch to single graphics card mode if a game doesnt play good in sli. So whats the point in having SLI if you have to switch to single GPU mode for some games.

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starchild5471d ago

And this is one of the big reasons I will continue to game primarily on the PC. It will always be at the cutting edge of graphics rendering.

Bear_Grylls5471d ago (Edited 5471d ago )

I have just ordered this beast of a PC for my brother and am going to put it together myself.

Super Beastly rig for just over $2000 Australian.

AMD all the way baby. Intel are just over priced and under performing if you don't spend heaps.

1x CPU CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 $25.00
1x Thermaltake Element G case $139.00
1x ASUS Crosshair IV Formula Motherboard $299.00
1x Antec Cyclone Blower Slot Mounted Cooler GPU $16.00
1x Logitech Wireless Desktop MK710 $115.00
1x Seagate Momentus XT 500GB SSD $149.00
1x Western Digital RE4 1TB $139.00
1x AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition $255.00
1x LG CH10LS20 10X Blu-ray DVD Combo Drive $125.00
1x G.Skill Ripjaws X 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 $245.00
1x ASUS Radeon 6970 DirectCU II 2GB $399.00
1x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM $105.00
1x Corsair TX-850 V2 Power Supply $179.00

$2190.00 Sub-Total:
$105.00 PP Standard Shipping:
$208.64 GST Included:
$2295.00 Total:

Battlefield 3 is going to be oh so sweet and this rig will be powerful for 5-6+ years, all I will need to do is throw in a new GPU every 2 years and hey presto.

If I want an Intel rig to beat this it would cost at least $1000 more.

AMD FTW!

We are using a beautifier 105cm full HD TV to run this on so no need for a new monitor plus I have like 3 HD monitors lying around as is.

Jamaicangmr5471d ago (Edited 5471d ago )

"AMD all the way baby. Intel are just over priced and under performing if you don't spend heaps."

i have an i7 950 which retails for US$275 while the X6 1100t goes for US$225. I can assure you as 2 friends of mine has a 1090t and an 1100t and i run rings around them at stock. The i5 2500k is the same price as the 1100t and still out performs it. You can even youtube 3d mark CPU benchmark results. the AMD X6 1100t is a damn good processor but not as good as the equally priced QUAD CORE Intel processor.

So your argument really holds no water. If you are an AMD fan boy then find more power to you. However don't spread fouls truths just to justify your preference.

Oh yeah and by intel rig i assume board and processor in which case i could add an i7 950 $275 and Rampage 3 fomula $285 so thats ruffly $123 more. Or better yet i5 2500k in which case it's just $73. So i'm sure where you got that $1000 from but whatever you are wrong anyway.

steve30x5470d ago

@ Bear Grylls : Why does he need 16GB ram? Thats way overkill. You will not need any more than 8GB ram maximum.

delicia5471d ago

Good read, and I can't wait to see what the future brings us. By 2015, I'll be 21, old enough to afford a really good PC/console. "Next Gen" should be simply amazing.

mrv3215471d ago

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That's the level of graphics in the PS4 and 720.

Proof? Well I can't really offer any however. Epic games despite their PC history make most of their money out sourcing their engine to developers, who want to sell their game to as many people as possible, me and you, you and me, we want the best graphics, the developers also have deadlines and want to get work done. Why do you think suddenly games went from Quake engine to Unreal? Check COD:MW2 if you don't believe me there's a quake license in their. But now most games have unreal.

So, it's not only in Epics interest to produce the best current gen engine, but to keep it upto date. So, not too long ago, they went to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo and said, something along the lines of

'We produce engines for your games, games which have made you a ton of money, Gears, Mass Effect. We're working on Unreal Engine 4, now we know you have some basics already down, but this is was we suggest

2GIG RAM-Min
1GIG V.ram
HD5770 or better, we'd like the HD6950 if you want long term

If you do those expect this. Sony has learnt from this generation to work more with third party engines, Microsoft has learnt their technology needs to be better.

http://n4g.com/news/12934/e...

Proof, and you don't think that'll happen again. The next generation is already started, behind closed doors.

Look at Battlefield 3, someone at EA said 'We really need to get this done, an engine that will carry us through the next generation.' Dice picked it up, and the engine is running on the PS4 and 720. When BF3 releases if you see one GPU out-preform the others FPS-$ rate compared to other games, then THAT'S the 720 GPU albeit with modifications.

EA may not have the 720 on desks but there's internal document floating around with it's GPU details.

Bear_Grylls5471d ago

That made hardly any sense and you first paragraph couldn't be more wrong.

tiphanycufflink5471d ago

lol I've been trying to figure out his point for about 10 minutes now.

ATiElite5470d ago (Edited 5470d ago )

I use to be a HUGE AMD fanboy but got tired of seeing AMD chips about 7 to 10 chips below a bunch of Intels in Benchmark test so I switched. you paid about $55 too much for your 1100T (Newegg has them for $200). your putting together a nice rig, one to be proud of.

AMD makes very excellent chips, trust me I know from experience but Intels are worth every penny. They are not overrated. stock Core i5/i7 2500k/2600k BLOW every AMD chip out the water. Overclock them to 4.7ghz easy and it's mind blowing.

1x Seagate Momentus XT 500GB SSD $149.00-Obvious typo as NO 500GB SSD is $150....if you can do some price comparisons cause i see some items you can save some cash on.

anyway MRV321 must be speculating on what the 720 will have as far as GPU. Most likely one system will have a Tegra (720) and another will have a high end Bulldozer (Wii2) and the PS4 will maybe reuse the Cell but add a real GPU this time around from AMD. it's all speculation.

But i do feel the 720 specs are out there and manufacturing is ramping up.

Kakkoii5469d ago

@ATiElite: 720 with a Tegra? Lol? Tegra is an ultra-compact SoC meant for mobile platforms. Even Tegra's two generations from now will just be reaching the power of the current consoles. They will not be anywhere near powerful enough for a next gen console.

BeastlyRig5471d ago (Edited 5471d ago )

well epic said they could optimize that demo to run on a single gtx 580!

I have a feeling this time around pc will start off next gen already more powerful!

I'm not sure if the next console will beat a gtx 580..

dirthurts5471d ago

Next gen consoles will not look like that. That's more likely next gen pc, but no way for consoles.

Dragonlord1125471d ago

or just buy a next gen console

theonlylolking5471d ago

" Is it even possible to push graphics beyond photo-realism? When will the GPU run out of gas? When will performance taper off?"

Graphics are far from looking photo realistic. Every leaf on a tree would have to have far greater detail than any main character on a PS3.

Graphics will NOT be photo realistic any time soon...I would probably seee photo realistic graphics before I die though =)

ATiElite5470d ago

Crysis has many parts that are photo realistic and that was back in 2007.

The majority of the time that the BF3 trailer is playing i'm thinking to myself "dam that looks real".

real life graphics are at our finger tips.

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Veteran artist behind Mass Effect, Halo, and Overwatch 2 weighs in on Nvidia DLSS 5

Darryl Linington from Notebookchect.net writes, "The backlash around Nvidia’s AI push and DLSS 5 has opened a broader question in game development. Beyond performance and image quality, veteran artists are now weighing what AI-driven rendering means for authorship and visual control. If a system can add or reinterpret detail after the fact, the issue is no longer just technical. It becomes a question of how much of the final image still belongs to the people who built it."

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NVIDIA DLSS 4.5 Frame Gen 5x & 6x Come to RTX 50 Series GPUs + Dynamic Multi Frame Gen

The latest GeForce driver introduces DLSS 4.5 Multi Frame Generation 5x and 6x alongside Dynamic Multi Frame Generation to RTX 50-series GPUs. The former increases the number of interpolated frames to 4 and 5 (between every two rendered frames), further reducing reliance on the CPU.

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blacktiger28d ago

Big corp bowing down to another big corp is nothing more than helping each other. But try any games it doesn't work

Smellsforfree28d ago

I don't mind frame gen but only use it if I'm already >70fps without it. It is kinda nice but if I see any visual artifacts I will turn it off. Whenever I'm playing games on my 120Hz LG C3 I will almost never use it because frame rates >120fps look really bad. I think spatial super sampling is a far more interesting and beneficial tech than frame gen. Boosting 30fps to 60fps with framegen is just garbage.

SimpleDad27d ago

Tvs were doing this 15 years ago with their telenovela effect... Idk how anyone can play with this on.

There is definitely input lag there and artifacts.

CornholioX27d ago

It's commercial how they show it. Typical any company does that.

Goodguy0127d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Frame gen just has too much latency and visual glitches for me, don't think I can ever use it for most games. I'd compare with it on and off and it's a world of difference in the feel. I need the very least input lag in my gaming. Companies should rely on actual optimization. As for potato hardware, I suppose it could have it's use.

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Is the AI Push in AAA Gaming Giving Indie Developers A Golden Ticket?

WTMG's Jordan Hawes: "With the advent of NVIDIA's DLSS 5 tools, and the whole debacle surrounding AI usage in AAA gaming, is this new push an opportunity for smaller studios to showcase they are the ones vouching for artistic integrity in the gaming industry?"

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Obelisk9238d ago

They already are. Indie studios are the only developers that constantly strive to publish innovative and experimental experiences. There has been little to no art in AAA gaming, with just a few exceptions.

Yi-Long38d ago

Indie-studios have been showcasing their creative superiority and bravery over AAA-studios/releases for a while now.

Personally. I have zero interest in AI slop in any of my entertainment, so regardless of what Sony, Ubisoft, MS, EA, etc believe the future is, I'm just not gonna touch any of that stuff.

blacktiger38d ago

Everything you said but for me MS is always the problem.

isarai_lee38d ago

One more thing in a long list of things that already give indie Games an advantage

Miacosa38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

In reality a dev having a simplistic tech statck does not really impact the end user experience. If the game is good and worth playing is what matters. In other words some cooks make care if 2 or 3 eggs were used to make a cake but the person eating it doesn't. And in the case of DLSS 5 the chef is soley responsible for the recipe and how its mixed together.