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Titles make the console

GameZone reviewer Mike David writes in the Writer's Block that the Xbox 360 is the system to have for fans of FPS games this Christmas and into next year. He explains why.

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xhi46787d ago (Edited 6787d ago )

wow. Did you just read the same thing I did?

Firstly let me start off with this. Killzone 2 anybody? Okay but I must agree, if you're a narrow gamer who's sole love is FPS, get a PC, but if you wan't a console, and as I said, love one thing....FPS? Then rather than spending money on a PS3, i mean you would obviously go with the 360.

But then..........in this blokes argues...okay not really argues but just blurts out "The 360 is the system to have this Christmas and into next year", and why? I'll tell you why....because "Bioshock and HALO 3 are as deadly a one-two punch any system has ever thrown".

Okay Bioshock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect I must agree, are exclusive to the 360 and are games that I must say are extremely good and well worth everyones attention.

But....does this make the 360 the system of choice? Just because of Bioshock and Halo 3 as this man has stated?

I beg to differ, again, if all you like is FPS and nothing else like this man suggests, then yes the 360 is the choice system.

However, if you like..........

Killzone 2, MGS4, Little Big Planet, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword, (I won't even mention Lair *sighs*), UT 3 (come on,free modding heaven for me please), Haze, Warhawk, Shadow of the Colossus sequel and that's about all I can think about off the top of my head.

Now going back to the topic,

"Bioshock and HALO 3 are as deadly a one-two punch any system has ever thrown. "

Now if we pit that against just TWO titles such as Killzone 2 and UT3 (by the way i consider this an exclusive for the PS3 seeing as it has a free network modding capabilities), is that not a big one-two system 'hit' as he so elequantly put it? Well then many xbots will not consier pitting UT3 as a ps3 game fair, so how about Killzone 2 and MGS4? or Little Big Planet and MGS4? what about Uncharted and Killzone 2?

So then, we must look to the future.

Games in 2008 for the 360 that are mind blowing.

- Alan Awake (Personally I pee my pants in excitement over this....not so literally but yer im excited)

- Other than Alan Awake........? Like srsly can anyone tell me? In a comment below? Who is actually intelligent and patient enough to read this whole argument through? lol.

Games in 2008 for the PS3 that are mind blowing.

- Killzone 2 (graphical genius)

- Metal Gear Solid 4

- Little Big Planet

- Infamous

- Sing Star

- Eye Toy Games

Now these are the only ones we know of for 2008. But it has past the time for announcements.

Other hit games are available on both systems such as GTA 4, Assasains Creed, Orange Box (I accept the delay is a put down......damn EA ports) etc.

But finally I geuss I'm writing all this, not about extra capabilities, blu-ray and last gen dvd technology, or about billion dollar unique proccesing powerplant technology (IBM's Cell processors for the slow people), future proofed technology, full HD output, free online and value etc. But I am purely talking games.

When this man said "Bioshock and Halo 3" makes the 360 the most superior system that is the best over both the Wii and the PS3 I just believe that is total ignorance that I find very disturbing. Don't you agree? I mean, a console isn't there simply to be played for FPS, its a diversity that makes a console so great.

OHHH.. and let us address this "Crysis...will hit the 360 next.". Ladies and Gentlemen, Crytek have only employed PS3 developers, they have never employed a 360 specialist.

They have repeatedly stated they are not going to bring Crysis over to the platforms, although they would create a new IP for it.

And my god really, does anybody here (apart from The Mart) believe Crysis can work on the 360, that the Orange Box maxes out the 360 with "93% to 94% of the consoles power being utilised" and Fracture maxing it out as was excitedly stated by the developer trying to show off Fracture on the Gamespot Live E3 Stage demo. Is that console really going to be able to pull of Crysis?

However, the ps3, with only 50% of it's power being used for titles such as Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, (which you must admit, looks better than any other game on the 360 or Wii) would, don't you reckon? be much more suited for Crysis. And anyway, remember Crytek? A new IP, not Crysis...

So yes, I'm sorry for this veryy long argument, if you have read all of this I congratulate you because you are one of the few who is patient enough and has more intelligence/focus/concentrati on than many other people.

So finally, to sum up my argument, and give a final justification, the 360 is clearly NOT the best console because of Halo 3 and Bioshock, although they are great games it does not make the console the best and the 360 clearly does not have the best line up of games this Christmas and future. And Crysis IS not coming to the 360 anytime soon, and most likely never, the same goes for the ps3.

Now for the justification. The cliche.

I am simply stating facts that are known presently, I own both consoles (i know cliche), I like my Halo, not love but like, I LURRVVVed my Bioshock while it lasted, i'm looking forward to Mass Effect and Alan Awake. Although I am also looking forward to Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, UT3, Haze, Orange Box (why do I buy it for the ps3? Because I don't like paying for things I believe should be free), Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, MGS4 etc. on my PS3.

I own both consoles so I can get the best of both worlds, although I believe the best weighs heavier on the PS3 side, not at the moment, but in the future when these games come out. But I am a man who looks to future investment, and how I can get the most out of something in the future, and that future for me is the PS3.

Finally, what I hate, is ignorance, and this man who wrote this article, much of his article....is pure ignorance.

And for those who have read this WHOLE thing without skipping....I applaud you, and you would have to be one of the more mature, focused, intelligent people out there.

candystop6787d ago

I'm not even going to waste my time with a long reply to your biased azz! 360 has the better lineup and always will this entire generation so get over it! Ps3 has a few good games on the way I hope but everything else is just speculation and could turn out bad like the rest! Everytime I read a Sony fanboy comment I just ignore it because everyone of you simply have one agenda and thats to talk sh!t because your jealous and immature! MS is doing a great job and if you would complain to Sony and not us then maybe you would get better games and services like we are getting right now!

ceedubya96787d ago

But at least you were able to give your opinion in a respectable manner. Much Respect.

BIGBAER6787d ago

Cliffy B, lead programmer for Gears of War, stated in an interview shortly after Gears release, that with what he and his development team learned durning Gears' devlopment process that in his estimate Gears was only using about 20% of the Xbox 360's power.

Cliffy B went on to say that with this new knowledge he and his team were anxious to begin Gears 2.

John Carmack, ID Software's lead programmer has said much the same thing, i.e. the 360 has yet to be taxed by any game; its poential remains largely untapped.

Synex6787d ago

So the 360 has tons of power left...Why doesn't Halo 3 run in 720p instead of 640p?

Twizlex6787d ago

Just because a system has a lot of potential doesn't mean the developers utilize it, much less actually know HOW to get the most out of it. I mean, isn't this basically the argument PS3 fans have been using to describe why multi-platform games are worse on the PS3? Because devs don't know how to tap into the PS3's awesome power? Seriously, you guys are starting to sound a little hypocritical...

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Says you6787d ago

way to hyped like game reviewers that are biased about the games that are not even really good at all and I'm talking bout cause there favoring a brokendown console that is American and their not actually being fair considering some of those games should have been atleast an 8 or 7 and Gears of War definitely deserved a 8 or a 7 and when PS3 has triple A titles they give them either an 7 or 8 or 9 but rarely get 10s like wow! but all of the crappyBox 360 games gets tens!.

xhi46787d ago

must disagree there champ. Halo is one game, I must say didnt deserve it's 9.8 or whatever. More like an 8 in my book. Good game, but not great. The original Halo, does deserve it's 9.8 however.

And Bioshock, that deserves it's score.

Twizlex6787d ago

Agreed. I think the 360 is a superior system with superior games (at least at the moment), but the fanboys that claim Halo 3 is the be all, end all are wrong, and it makes all of us look bad. I rented it and beat it in two days. It was a decent game but certainly not the perfect 10 that reviewers have been handing it. There are games available now and even more games coming out that are/will be better than Halo 3. Halo 3 IS the flagship title for the 360, but I don't think that means it stands as the epitome of what 360 is capable of. I think they're still just getting started...

Remember, people said the same thing about Halo when it was released, and then Halo 2 came out and looked much better. Who logically thinks that somehow won't be the case in this generation?

titntin6787d ago

Yes - I have to agree with the other replies in here, anyone who continues to purport the myth that Halo3 is one of the all time greatest games, desrves to have their words taken with extreme caution.

Bioshock was trully great game, but even that has its issues and is not 10/10 game. Halo 3 is a 8/10 effort and move backwards for a title that was so trully great when it was originally launched.

360 does indeed have a strong software line up and will keep FPS players happy this christmass, but I think this holliday season, that PS3 has some killer apps with an appeal to a broader demographic.

As an owner of all the systems, I guess you could say I'm sitting on the fence, but unlike the authour, if I had to keep just one machine for the future, I'd keep my PS3. :)

ceedubya96787d ago

The fact of the matter is that shooters are extremely popular these days. The only thing that would be more popular would be Sports titles probably. But this isn't to say that FPS are all that the 360 has to offer. Its just that since the early days of the Xbox brand, shooters were what defined the console, and that ideal has stuck with the 360, even though right now it has a lot of variety, believe it or not. If you look around right now, what are the most popular games that are available? Halo 3, Rainbow 6 Vegas, GRAW2, Resistance, Warhawk, Gears of War, Bioshock, Killzone 2 is highly sought after by the Playstation community. Shooters, for better or worse, have taken over, on EVERY console.

nobizlikesnowbiz6787d ago

They're hyping this Xmas, after Xmas they'll be hyping next years games. Theres a lot coming out. But ATM '08s lineup does look better for the Ps3.

But this Xmas, it's the 360's party. How much more domination can the Ps3 take is my question? It's not even a little bit popular in the US right now. Do you think that the popular sentiment is just going to change overnight after they see a couple games that will be released late next year?

ceedubya96787d ago

it is true that Microsoft hasn't shown much about 08 just yet. People shouldn't take that as a sign that there is nothing coming though. Like you said, they are just really focusing on finishing 07 strong. Next year we'll see what they really have coming. At least I know that Ninja Gaiden 2 is coming. Can't wait for that one.

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Halo 2 & 3 Campaign Remakes Allegedly In Development, Halo 7 Will Feature Multiplayer

Remakes of the campaigns featured in Xbox Game Studios' Halo 2 and Halo 3 are currently in development, according to a new rumor.

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medman193d ago (Edited 193d ago )

That's Microsoft's gaming division for you...kill off developers making new ip while trying to capitalize off some long lost glory that has no hope of ever being what it once was thanks to recent decision making favoring unrealistic profit goals and greed. What a joke.

Reaper22_193d ago

So much bitterness. Why be upset over something like this. Just don't buy it and stick with what you prefer.

Tacoboto193d ago

Complaining about Microsoft is the only thing people comment here for anymore.

This website is practically dead without it

Mmmkay192d ago

I remember when you guys constantly complained about Sony remaking and remastering games. Guess it is cool now. As usual.

thesoftware730192d ago

Give it rest medman..., take a deep breath and try to not sound so invested in something no one is forcing you to read, buy, or play.

"Console war"is over, Sony won, be happy.

medman187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

@thesoftware730
I'm invested in people losing their jobs and their livelihoods while Microsoft execs tout record profits for their gaming division. Not sure why you wouldn't be invested. Could be you one day. Good luck.

Travesty193d ago

So what’s their solution to having multiplayer? Wait until Halo 7?
That was one of the most memorable parts of Halo..

monkey602193d ago

I'm not sure spending the heavy investment in time to recreate the multiplayer here is the answer either though.
Remaking the campaigns is a great idea to bring the new players up to speed. But if the multiplayer is included in each it'll just fracture the player base of each release.
I think it might be better to turn these campaigns out quicker and have 1 multiplayer game to keep everyone in one place

Travesty193d ago

Maybe having an Halo Online and just release the Combat Evolve maps. And when Halo 2 releases have those maps release. I don’t know but I would like to play a newer version of Halo multiplayer. I know times have changed, and Fortnite is all younger kids really play. But back then it was Halo and you connecting 6 Xbox’s together lol.

jjb1981193d ago

I agree. I think that'll segment the playerbase and once 7 comes out, players might realize it sucks and go back to the older games. Especially if 7 is live-servixe, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot on the one good leg they have to stand on.

crazyCoconuts192d ago

Kinda surprised they didn't just port MCC.
Maybe more $ to by made with separate remasters

Inverno193d ago

Wouldn't have that problem if it were MCC being released. Gotta wait for 7 to be disappointed with MP all over again cause if they half baked Infinite what makes people think they won't half bake the next game? MP works in past HALO games not cause of nostalgia but because it's MP that isn't concerned with the endless service approach.

JEECE192d ago

There is so much cognitive dissonance over Infinite. People say they didn't like it because it was a live service. Yet if you look at what the criticisms of it were at the time it came out and when the playerbase started falling off, the primary issue people had was a lack of updates. In other words, it wasn't enough of a live service.

Which is really an encapsulation of the problem with multiplayer today. So many people think that they want to go back to the "good old days" of mid-2000s multiplayer (The first few Halos, Socom, the first few Battlefields, CS 1.6, etc), but in reality if a multiplayer game like that came out today, people would whine about the lack of content within a month of launch and go back to a live service with a grindy progression system.

isarai193d ago

Why not just port the MCC? 🤔 That was the easiest layup ever and you completely missed it

franwex192d ago

30% profit margins! People will pay $70+ for remakes!

Software_Lover192d ago

I thought the same thing, then I realized that they wouldn't include the remakes in that edition. We may get a different version of Halo MCC in the future with all of the remakes included. I just want them to include Halo 5 at some point for PC.

TheColbertinator192d ago

Can they remake Reach too with the multiplayer?

Knightofelemia192d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will port Reach over to Playstation I quite enjoyed that game. I played Halo 3 and it was not bad I have Halo 2 on the OG Xbox I just need some cables to hook up to my tv to play it.

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Next ‘BioShock’ Game Changes Leaders After Development Turmoil

The fourth game in the ‘BioShock’ series has been in development for more than a decade

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toxic-inferno284d ago

Bioshock is one of my favourites franchises. I love all 3 games and have played each several times. I even have a room in my house that is loosely decorated around the theme of Bioshock (with a Lighthouse, coral models and postcards styled as though they are from both Rapture and Columbus).

And yet I am going to find it extremely difficult to get even remotely excited about any future episode in the series after all the problems this has had in its development cycle.

Leave the franchise alone. Remaster them again if you have to. Then put whatever talent you have to use on something brand new.

Furesis284d ago

Since ken levine isn't involved i'm not surprised what's going on. i'm more excited for his next game which looks like bioshock. Yet he still works under take2 and they are making bioshock 4 without him, strange situation.

toxic-inferno284d ago

Yes. Judas. Looks brilliant, but it's one of those games that seems to never have had a release date. Instead it's had release windows that keep getting pushed back.

Once it's ready, I'll be there for it though. Ken Levine is an excellent developer.

I get the feeling he dissolved Irrational Games simply so that 2k couldn't tell him what to do. It seems it will pay off, but I feel sorry for those who worked as part of Irrational before it was dissolved, who hadn't independently made a name for themselves.

ActualWhiteMan283d ago

He didn’t even want to make 2, that’s why they did it without him.

Rebel_Scum283d ago

tbh it wouldnt be a Bioshock game without development hell. They all had it.

Michiel1989283d ago

bioshock 2 was 2.5 years after 1, so much of a development hell it was......

-Foxtrot283d ago

"Remaster them again if you have to"

Well apparently they were doing a remake but that got cancelled

Relientk77283d ago

It sucks this game is in development hell because I love BioShock and would love a 4th game. I hope it turns out great, but I guess we'll see.

P_Bomb283d ago

Love Bioshock. It’s too bad what’s going on. At least we have Judas.

Yui_Suzumiya283d ago (Edited 283d ago )

It's been in development hell since 2014. This is nothing new. It saddens me because it's one of my favorite series. At this point, Judas may end up releasing first.

BABI-PANGPANG283d ago

Bioshock 4 (if it ever comes out) will probably still look and play like a Bioshock game, but without Kevin, it might miss that spark that made the originals so special. Honestly, Judas might end up feeling more like the real spiritual successor.

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Gears Of War Creator Urges Devs To Make Single-Player Games Amid EA's Live Service Focus

Gears of War's creator has spoken out against the trend of turning established franchises into live services, urging developers to focus on single-player experiences.

Relientk77461d ago

I agree with Cliff for once.

Single player games > GaaS

JEECE460d ago

Too bad he didn't have this opinion when he chased trends with Lawbreakers. Or when he chased trends with Radical Heights.

Popsicle460d ago (Edited 460d ago )

He learned from the mistake or he wouldn’t be advocating for more single player experiences. I find this refreshing in a world where we often see people so stubborn that they tend to double down on a mistake which results in making things even worse. Seriously, good for him!

JEECE460d ago

@Popsicle

Oh for sure, better late than never. And better to somewhat own up to your mistakes, rather than just blaming your release window, or advertising partners, or gamers lol.

anast460d ago

@Popsicle

Of course we will never know his intentions, but it's hard to believe he is just a naive agent that is learning from his mistakes.

-Foxtrot461d ago

He could have done one himself after Gears of War but he did Lawbreakers…look how that turned out.

RaidenBlack461d ago

Not converting Jawbreakers into F2P was the final nail in the CliffyB coffin.

Knushwood Butt460d ago

Jawbreakers would have been a better name! Heck, I might just go and trademark that right now.

BISHOP-BRASIL460d ago

@Knushwood

Aren't those a kind of candy already?

coolbeans461d ago

You're missing the point. His studio's short lifespan is what *inspired* him to make this comment in the first place.

-Foxtrot460d ago

Oh I know the point...I'm just stating the obvious and how stupid he was in the beginning to jump on a trend he had no real experience in. A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War.

He'd have been better creating something like Gears of War again, a great single player story and a good online mode.

coolbeans460d ago

-"A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War."

I mean... you're kinda muddying terms when Gears has always had a strong multiplayer component. Even if I grant you that, Cliffy B started cementing himself at Epic with Unreal Tournament, which was among the earliest shooter series to have "proto-GaaS elements" (downloadable maps, cosmetics, special editions that bundle stuff together). Lawbreakers and Radical Heights (were it finished) weren't major career shifts to him like they would be for, say, Fumito Ueda.

Regardless of that, it's still kinda useless to state the obvious when CliffyB himself made his comments with the benefit of hindsight already.

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CrimsonWing69460d ago (Edited 460d ago )

Look, these a-hole publishers can do this, in fact I want them to, so they can f*ck around and find out and fail hard scaring away everyone else from doing this live service push.

This industry is run by some of the dumbest corporate pieces of sh*t I’ve ever seen. They spend stupid amount of money with literally nothing that stands out from games from the previous generation (look at Arkham Knight to the $200 mill Suicide Squad comparison vids), you’re overpaying devs, and you focus on games as a service to milk consumers that a lot of them grew up off traditional games. We’re not idiots, we sniff this sh*t out and won’t touch it.

So, what’s your answer to not getting a ROI? Raise game prices and double down on GaaS so you can suck your consumers dry. That model only works for some games and even then how in hell do you expect it to work with multiple games!? They’re ruining the damn hobby with this corporate greed.

Cut back on dev budgets, cut back on how much your staff is getting paid, until sales for games bring in a profit. That’s the answer and make some games that feel like there’s passion behind them, not some cookie cut up game that feels like the entire existence behind it is to offer as little as it can with repetitive bullsh*t and selling off all this content throughout its life. It’s gross.

anast460d ago

I agree with every point here.

Redemption-64459d ago

Games do bring in a profit, it's the greed that is killing the industry. Here is a fact, live service games overall make more, significantly more money than single player games

What you should be asking is executives not wanting continuous growth or firing them. Saying devs should be fired when those who are fitting the bills and setting unrealistic expectations would make things worse. What do y9u think would happen if they released say, 30 single player games and over half of them fail? You are going after the wrong crowd.

DankSinatra460d ago

About time he learned. I guess he finally stopped blaming everyone else and took accountability for his mistakes and realized that people really don't care that much for trends or live service.

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