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Criminal Innovation

From Pixel Apocalypse...

"Well, alright, so you can unlock a system. Then what?

Well, that all depends on your own moral code. See, the upside of unlocking a system is generally that you can develop code and games of your own (generally called Homebrew). As a long time gamer and nerd, this appeals to me (for as long as I can ignore the fact that I lack almost all of the skills required to actually do it)."

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dinkeldinkse5521d ago

Makes me want to punch him in the mouth.

Tony-Red-Grave5521d ago

its funny how after sometime i noticed he doesnt talk about the software he doesnt own

dinkeldinkse5520d ago (Edited 5520d ago )

Because he hacked the PS3. No, I just meant that the face he makes in the picture makes me want to hit him in the mouth.

CountDracula5521d ago

Hacking the ps3 (For homebrew of course)FTW!!

Menech5521d ago

The entire article is just some guy's opinion on the current circle of events with the PS3.

And how unlocking your system doesn't make you a criminal, just because it bring the possibility of playing pirated games.

Why I happen to agree I don't see how this is any more relevant then what's been posted on N4G 100s of times from different opinions.

My opinion, It's my bloody console I will do whatever the fuck I like with it. If Sony has some sort if issue with that I will simply stop buying there products.

Eamon5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

What gets me is the loyalty and mindless love for a corporation whose primary aim is to profit of you.

Loner5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

Ye pretty much.
Just look at the first person who posted here.He says he actually wants to fight Geohot because he hacked his favorite toy.lmao And whats funnier is he gets a bunch of agrees for that
Some of the posters around here are pathetic
None of you would do anything if you met him in real life.Bunch of keyboard tough guys around here xD

Menech5521d ago

Agreed but this is the common mind set of a fanboy.

But at least we didn't lose any rocket scientists to the disease.

Christopher5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

***What gets me is the loyalty and mindless love for a corporation whose primary aim is to profit of you.***

And where would we be with video games if they weren't able to profit off of making video games for us in the first place?

You talk as if defending Sony's right means the person has some sort of blind loyalty to them. Much as I expect corporations to respect my rights, I don't see an issue with us respecting theirs as well.

If you have a problem with the rights that corporations have, then work to change the laws, don't just do what you feel is right.

I personally have a lot of issues with how Corporations are perceived as individuals in the U.S. But, I don't have any issues with their rights to their IPs and the protection of them per the same laws that would protect my own IPs.

Menech5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

"If you have a problem with the rights that corporations have, then work to change the laws, don't just do what you feel is right."

People breaks laws every single day, you can watch something on youtube or download an MP3 and you have infringed on someones copyright.

Your telling us don't just do what we feel is right and to live within the law, never straying.

Am sorry but that's utter bullshit, I live by my own moral compass and I haven't gotten a single criminal record or been in trouble with the police.

Do I break "laws" yes frequently, most of the time without even knowing I have done. Do I go out of my way to hurt other people no.

Have I unknowingly/knowingly ever hurt another, of course. All I can hope is I learn from my mistakes and become a better person. How can I hope to make mistakes and better myself without ever being allowed to make them?

If you want strict laws to live by join a Mormon community, for the rest of us that live in the real world we make are own rules. Staying out of jail is simply an exercise of common sense.

Christopher5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

***Your telling us don't just do what we feel is right and to live within the law, never straying.***

The point I was making was to not break the law just because you think that law is wrong. Not that everyone should watch everything they do so as to not break the law.

***Staying out of jail is simply an exercise of common sense.***

100% agree. One of those common sense items from a person so well-versed in technology as Hotz would have been not to distribute the information he did.

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Christopher5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

Tons of wasted text to get the author's point that like many others he considers that once he buys something he completely owns it without realizing the massive distinction between hardware and licensed software.

First, this is hardly about the fact that Hotz unlocked his system and all about how he distributed code that affects Sony's IP as well as data that is considered primary to the security of Sony's PS3 business.

I'm sorry many people are ignorant on the concept of licensing software.

Well, let me rephrase that, I'm sorry people are blatantly ignorant on the concept of licensing software when it infringes on their ability to do what they want to do with it.

*awaits another poster saying that the current laws on licensing software shouldn't be as they are and people should own the software on their machine and just not allowed to distribute it even though tracking illegal distributions of software is nigh impossible considering the options available for hiding illegally cracked and distributed software today as it is.*

Eamon5521d ago

Let's talk about your point on the concept of licensing software.

For the sake of the argument, let's say that it's wrong to distribute licensed code. Can you give me solid proof right now that geohot did that?

geohot released a patch file. Meaning you need to download the Official Firmware and manually patch it yourself. So basically, he didn't release a modified firmware himself.
As for the keys. Keys are not copyrighted or licensed as they are only a bunch of hexadecimals. Correct me if I'm wrong but the method of extracting those keys was revealed by fail0verthrow not geohot. geohot basically made it easier by posting the keys publically for programmers and homebrew developers out there to authenticate their software so you can install it on the PS3.

So technically, geohot hasn't released any licensed software. The patch file is his own code. The keys are a bunch of letters and digits.

Christopher5521d ago

***Can you give me solid proof right now that geohot did that?***

He either distributed modified licensed code or distributed a patch that altered licensed code. Both are one and the same. He is the active hand behind such modifications regardless if he distributed a patch containing actual FW code or code that modified it on a machine.

Proof is that he:

A) Re-enabled OtherOS via FW (XMB OS).
B) Re-enabled PSN access via FW.
C) Modified the ToS XML with his own text (or lack thereof).
D) Enabled the installation of unsigned and unverified software on FW, bypassing standard checks to validate software packages.

***As for the keys. Keys are not copyrighted or licensed as they are only a bunch of hexadecimals. Correct me if I'm wrong but the method of extracting those keys was revealed by fail0verthrow not geohot. geohot basically made it easier by posting the keys publically for programmers and homebrew developers out there to authenticate their software so you can install it on the PS3.***

Which is tantamount to me posting to the public how to bypass the security protocols of a bank, which can be used to gain access to private details of account holders.

The fact that the keys were found out isn't the issue, it's that he published them that was.

This is the exact same as taking an attack action against a Web site in a manner that affects their business (loss of sales due to downtime). While you may know those security holes are there, to act on them in a manner that affects their business capabilities is illegal. Same as stealing a car just because someone left the keys in it and the doors unlocked.

Just because you know there's a security issue doesn't make it legal to advertise said security issue to the public, which then enables people to utilized said information for illegal and possibly fraudulent means.

Eamon5521d ago (Edited 5521d ago )

Alright, let me correct you:

A) He didn't re-enable OtherOS even though that was removed after being advertised by Sony.
B) He didn't re-enable PSN access via FW. That was another hacker.
C) The XML can be modified by almost anyone. That doesn't make a difference. It was in his patch. It replaced the current ToS XML with his own where he states he is not responsible for what you do with his FW.
D) Yes he did enable the installation of unsigned and unverified software. That is the whole point of the Custom Firmware. So you can install whatever you want without restriction. Just like iPhone jailbreak.

Firstly about the patch. If the code was his own then there's nothing wrong with distributing it even it does modify other firmwares. He isn't distributing the modified firmware. I remember people stating that if they modify their own firmwares they should keep it to themselves. This is basically the same thing. He isn't distributing modified firmwares, he's just showing you how to modify your own.

As for the keys. The security isn't to secure personal details and other sensitive material. Software security is different to real life security. Technically, there is nothing wrong with installing unsigned programs on your own. The iPhone jailbreak does this completely and has been made legal. There is a program called Installous that can be installed on a jailbroken iPhone which is equivalent of the backup managers on the PS3. But why is iPhone jailbreak still legal? It's because a judge recognised that users should have the right to install whatever they want on their console. The modification of the firmware only serves to do that. Nobody is profiting from a modified PS3 firmware. It's only for personal use even if that does mean piracy. However, it's the user's choice if he is to pirate games. geohot didn't even release a firmware patch to run backup managers. Basically, no backup manager will work on geohot's firmware. There are other firmwares by Waninkoko, kmeaw etc that do allow backup managers to work. If you don't believe me then google is your friend.

The fact is, Sony are targetting geohot only to scare off other hackers into joining in. But Sony may actually be shooting themselves in the foot this time. If geohot wins then the opposite effect happens and more developers will make more homebrew for the PS3. Sony also has the right to fix their security holes in future firmware updates. Just like Apple does against the jailbreak even though it's perfectly legal. But is it right to make it law so people do not modify the firmware so they can run their own programs? No it isn't.

Christopher5521d ago

***Alright, let me correct you:***

I'm in need of no correction.

He did enable OtherOS and showed it in his video example.

He did enable PSN connection with his first release of the 3.41 firmware update

Modifying the XML is still a modification of code, meaning someone else's IP.

At least you agree that he did allow the installation of unsigned software, which is a violation considering in doing so he modified someone else's IP.

Heck, I didn't even bring up him playing illegal ROMs on his PS3 as a sign of how he says he doesn't support piracy... but then plays a game that is provided illegally.

***If the code was his own then there's nothing wrong with distributing it even it does modify other firmwares.***

100% incorrect.

Your claim that this isn't illegal is the same as saying that someone who creates a computer virus and allows others to download it via the Web is perfectly fine. I mean, in the end, it's their code that's modifying the code on the PCs of others, he's not modifying it directly.

***The security isn't to secure personal details and other sensitive material.***

Incorrect. The keys provide access to utilizing the system in a manner that allows access to details stored on the system as well as the capability to create unsigned applications that could be used for fraudulent means. It's currently only limited to those who would install CFW because Sony has maintained a system of blocking PSN access, thereby severing the two communities (FW vs CFW), but if left unchecked could have allowed for some very nasty programs that could be sent as attachments to messages or similar applications.

***Technically, there is nothing wrong with installing unsigned programs on your own.***

Also 100% incorrect since in doing so you are modifying Sony IP to enable such a feature. If you want to install your own programs, flash the drives and install your own OS to run your own code. Don't modify Sony's IP to fit your needs. And don't then distribute said modification through a patcher.

***But is it right to make it law so people do not modify the firmware so they can run their own programs?***

Jailbreak had nothing to do with running personal code and everything to do with allowing users to run their phones on different service provides. The ability to run their own code was a result of this allowance, but since iPhone's storefront wasn't affected, they couldn't stop it.

It is technically still illegal to install unsigned code on your iPhone, but it's nigh impossible to enforce it considering how hard it is to detect.

Of course, hackers have claimed that jailbreak makes installing personal, unsigned code legal, but that doesn't make it so. It just makes it something that others can't prevent because of the loophole opened up by allowing jailbreaking for allowing service providers other than ATT.

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I could honestly argue this a thousand times, but someone will always pop in with the exact same remarks you've made without realizing where they are wrong. People really don't realize the rights they have with the IP of others. More importantly, many of them just want to keep believing that they can do whatever they want as long as they don't directly modify code.

I would love to see people have this same outlook if it was their software being manipulated in a manner that would lead to adversely affecting their business.

Eamon5521d ago

I don't really want to carry on arguing as it seems useless how you stubbornly consider homebew illegal no matter what.

But I'll leave you with one point about the jailbreaking. Yeah, it was allowed for a reason that is allowing you to use any mobile provider. But that isn't the only reason. Cydia Store is not Apple approved. It runs on jailbroken firmware. It sells unsigned applications and runs transactions. If it really was illegal such a thing would have been stopped. But it wasn't.

If you think running applications that are not approved by Sony is illegal then I assure you to look again as this is incorrect. But if you think the user has no right to run any application that Sony hasn't approved, then there is something wrong with you.

It's not the job of the consumer to worry about the business of a corporation. A consumer only needs to worry about his own rights.

But regardless of the legality, people will continue to do this anyway. I've always looked at all of this as an uphill battle with no top. Hackers would probably just continue under aliases. But if geohot wins then they can be famous openly. lol

Christopher5520d ago (Edited 5520d ago )

***I don't really want to carry on arguing as it seems useless how you stubbornly consider homebew illegal no matter what.***

Where have I said any such thing? I said modification of Sony IP is illegal. In this case, modification of Sony IP is required to run homebrew on the PS3 through their modified FW.

As I said in the post above, if you want to run your own code, then flash the drives and run your own code. But modifying Sony IP to do it is illegal.

***If you think running applications that are not approved by Sony is illegal then I assure you to look again as this is incorrect.***

It is if it means modifying their IP to do as such. Which is what has happened.

***Cydia Store is not Apple approved. It runs on jailbroken firmware. It sells unsigned applications and runs transactions. If it really was illegal such a thing would have been stopped. But it wasn't.***

As I said, because it's impossible to enforce. Apple can't afford to take people to court for every single infraction. Instead they release a new device with security enhancement. Not like that's really going to do anything in the long run, but it's a more affordable solution for them.

Apple left the issue alone when they lost the Jailbreak case and instead focuses their money on improving the security rather than wasting millions on frivolous lawsuits considering how few the number of people that utilize said apps and how long it would take to put one suit through court let alone thousands.

Per the law, it's still illegal. But, it's just not something they can afford to take to court considering the level of enforceability and how much it would cost them.

***It's not the job of the consumer to worry about the business of a corporation. A consumer only needs to worry about his own rights. ***

Gotta disagree with that. That's akin to saying that it's not the job of the public to be aware of what their Government is doing. Last time I checked, knowledge over what affects your life is always the best route to ensuring that your rights are maintained. If I only worry about what rights I have, what excuse do I use when I start losing them?

Eamon5520d ago

You know. I'm not convinced that the reason Apple doesn't take the owners of Cydia Store to court is due to financial reasons. And plus the owners of Cydia publicly state that they are a legal store. I think you really are incorrect about Cydia.

Apple lost the case with jailbreaking. However it still modifies the licensed firmware. Meaning the law of protecting their software was overridden. I think this shows the importances when comparing consumer rights to copyright.

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