one problem = ok, call of duty is full of problems = not ok.

I think prone should be left out but I guess for it to a little realistic you got to have prone in.

So what.. that's such a small problem. If someone spots him (which they will do when people use teamwork) they call it in and he has a marker over his head for his duration at that camp spot.. problem solved.

That one tiny little problem for prone is insignificant compared to the tactical advantages it brings and the extra added depth to the gameplay.

THATS WHAT SNIPERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO! HOLY ****ING SH*T ****

All of those games had prone + snipers.

It was fine in 1942, BF2 and 2142. Bad Company 2 is where the problem was.

I want prone. Recently all these shooters left it out which makes it a lot harder for me to get into it. I dont prone a lot but sometime I like to dive behind cover or hide from a group of enemies. I dont snipe in any of these recent shooters that leave out prone. I hate being crouched so anybody with an assault rifle can hit me half way across the map because Im so easy to spot.

Sniping is for pussies and BBC2 is full of them!

Remember all you snipers out there: YOU NEVER WIN WHEN YOU SNIPE. NEVER.

Teams win when guys like me are out there busting our asses getting #&*@ done! All you cowards 5 miles away don't help the situation or your team in any way.

That's why my team ALWAYS wins.

Prone options would just let you pussies ruin a game furhter. Stick to picnics if you want to lay and roll in the grass!!

How about just removing prone from SNIPER class. Or have a duck floating over their heads all teh time for enemies to see :D

Sniping on a 64 player map is more challenging than a smaller map..

Super long range shots ftw!!

This wasn't a problem in BF2..

Why now? Oh I know them..

Sniper in COD series are still ok since you have kill cam and maps are smaller. HOwever in huge maps in BF, it still difficult to get back to sniper who killed you with no help from post kill cam. So dont restrict prone for everyone except for wesley snipes.

Going prone is a realistic mechanic but if its going to hurt gameplay with overpowered snipers id rather they leave it out. Hopefully they can balance it but if not i have no problem not going prone.

I thought this about Bad Company as well. They should incorporate lens flares from the snipers scope. I think it'd pretty much solve the problem to have a small flash of light whenever a sniper scopes up.

I've seen this in a few single player games but have yet to see it implemented in multiplayer. It's such a simple idea and it could even out the game nicely.

How about scope reflection? Semi realistic, but I guess it could pose a problem with dusk/night settings. At the same time, I don't think a prone sniper should be easily spotted. Have to at least give them the benefit of managing to get into a good posistion.

Well, knowing the problem is the first step to fix it, so I hope they go with it and figure things out. It's going to be a great game no matter what.

Add a "Tagging" system. Where if a player see's an opponent he has the option to reveal said enemies location to his teammates. OR have the ability to ONCE a game be able to automatically reveal the location of the enemy who just killed you, almost like a "Most-Wanted" System. Or if they have so many kills without dying they become a priority, highlighting their position. Thats just a few suggestions...

I think they need to look into a sort of like locked class thing...

like say you choose sniper.... you run around and everything... but when you die.... and go to respawn you should be forced to choose another class.. like sniper gets locked out... until you make your way through all the classes again to get another sniper respawn...

Basically lock out the class after you've used it once and die.. and then rotate through all classes and they become available again...

I think it would fix issues of having like 12 snipers on 1 team doing nothing but camping... and I believe it would require everyone to experience all the different classes.

you know or like a limit... like you can only spawn as this class so many times... I dunno I think it could work

But I don't think prone will be that much of an issue... It works fine in Homefront and Metal Gear Online....

Just have a sniper class limit, like Red Orchestra...or lens flare like someone else said...but DO NOT take out prone, I like being able to hide in the grass from tanks. Not only was that impossible in bc2 but if you tried to hide behind a wall they would just blow it up and see you crouching like a dumbass...I hate snipers too, but we need prone, especially us spec ops guys

i agree that there should be something to expose snipers and i love to knife them from behind but also what need some work is the sniper classes secondary in battlefield 1-2 if you get a headshot with your pistol it doesn't kill the other guy sure it hurts him but if he has something to heal himself after he kills you its a mute point there are so many things that were unrealistic about battlefield one that were fixed by the sequel battlefield 2 but some things were overlooked like aiming down the sights of the sub-machien-gun class i hat how inaccurate it is from the hip i like sniping to but i prefer to rush from house to house and blow up houses with C4 when noobs are camping up stairs the ghillie suits come in handy lens flare and an audio program that points people close to snipers in the direction of the sniper simple yet elegant.

Yes, we should totally remove the ability for snipers to be able to hide and effectively kill tons of enemies.

Balance. I like that there is an attempt to have some balance, but it is also kind of stupid since it is all about trying to make things "fair". And as we all know, fairness is bullsh*t.

Prone or no prone, that is the question... As a sniper hunter, I'd say : why not? It doesn't bother me, I will get you no matter what.

i hated in bad company 2 when i was getting shot and tried to hide behind a rock or something and the rock wasnt as high as me kneeling so my head stuck out a little...

They could just give snipers Tracer rounds... so every shot has to count or the Tracers will give away the location.

When a sniper goes prone his scope becomes reflective and visible from a distance, picture a glare.

solution: If you have a sniper rifle in your hands, You can not go prone.

In BC2, i have never seen a team win only by using snipers. Let alone be a part of a winning team that almost only sniped. Snipers only get kills, they almost never take control spots. I always snipe, so let us do our thing. If, for someone, it is ruining the experience, there are plenty of workarounds.

What? There could be a sniper in the grass. Outrageous. Next thing you'd be telling me is there is a sniper on the roof or on a hill top. Now way!

Also relating to balancing things, the aircraft need to have limited ammo...just like the real fighter/helicopters. In fact, all vehicles that have weapons.

can I ask what's the problem?

If its about seeing the enemy well there's a thing called being aware of your surroundings. and if its campnig well BF is an objective type game.

Getting "around" this problem could be to make sniping hard..and I mean hard.

Sniping someone from far far away the sniper must consider distance,wind direction and velocity. That alone wil make a camp fest of snipers minimal since it wil be the real good players that can actualy hit something.

And a sniper is one of the worst thing a soldier can face in a battlefield. So it should be something the players actualy fear alot.

I think this could be one sollution..what do you guys/gals think?

All i can say is, it is about time they listen to the community and enough of this being lazy.

oh come on leave the snipers alone its not like there invincible in fact most of the time there a free kill they got there heads in there scopes you can easily sneak up on them,i like the idea of leaving them on the map for a few extra seconds then normal,that should work fine.

It's a simple solution, this, and I don't care what anyone says, but restrict the class to a limited amount of slots depending on the team size. Simple as that, really. People will cry about not being able to play the way they want, but so fuck. For the sake of gameplay and balance, restriction is the only way to go, otherwise the game is just going to be a lazy sniper camper wankfest. Also restrict the acog to certain classes also, because nothing will stop people from just picking that and laying in tall grass in an attempt to snipe.

If lying in grass it should interfere and prevent him from having nice clean view.

Ok, all you guys are doing is thinking about the disadvantages. Yes, prone will benefit snipers but not just snipers. If a tank is on a street near by and the building you're in is almost completely leveled, then wouldn't prone allow you do hide and keep a low profile. Lets face it, its easy to see someone crouching while you are driving a tank. I cant tell you how many times i thought i was "Concealed" and a 120mm round blew the f*** outta me. Also if you are being shot at, you could immediately go into prone and return fire or simple hide and crawl to safety. Most of the long range shots can be avoided by laying down simply because of a all the objects to hide behind at ground
level.

Sniping is supposed to be difficult and upsetting cause honestly, snipers wouldn't live very long if you had to stand and shoot, they also wouldn't hit their target as often. Just throw more effects on the bullet or increase the drop off...
And as someone said earlier, it would be kinda hard shooting someone 500 meters away if your scope is filled with foliage..

Thants all I have to say...and the killcams helped out anyways...I always got revenge on the people that sniped me...

is December fall now or did i miss something?

Should focus less on easier spotting, and more on how people can avoid getting sniped.

Nobody "has" to kill the snipers, if there's a balanced way of avoiding fire without too easy of a job doing so.

Worse comes to worst, add in some heavy tracers or a slow mo replay of the bullet hitting your head.

How about no prone, we don't need everybody crowling in the game.

What a dramatic title.

BF3 does not need prone. if you want prone then go play Arma II.

If you have Prone then I'm gonna want LEAN!! Now you have taken away the fast pace of the game and slowed it down to a Milsim that lacks bullet drop and ballistics. The Battlefield formula as is is perfect except for the bunny hopping. BF fits perfectly in between COD (arcade game play) and Arma II (milsim). BF Mon-fri ArmaII Sat n Sun

BF3 No Prone No Bunny Hopping No Lean= :)

Here's a good solution...

If the prone Sniper is "spotted", the little green triangle pops up above their head and your whole team can also see this as well. The little green triangle will stay above the Sniper's head for 3-4 seconds on Normal game modes, and it stays on their head for 5-7 seconds on Hardcore game modes. That way a good Sniper has to be WELL HIDDEN, and a Sniper who just lays down to camp gets spotted easily...Also make bushes move and rustle so nearby Snipers can be heard...

this is why prone was removed in the first place. get rid of it

OrganincMachine has a point I'm good with a rifle in real life but the trajectory of the bullet isn't always strait it curves because of the wind, humidity, bullet size, initial velocity etc... point is no games ever include those details with the exception for Modern warfare one when you play as Mactavish when he's a leutenate.

Balancing? It's simply a lame excuse that they can't simply do prone. They tried hard in the first frostbite engine without success and all their cockiness and relentless swipe against COD claiming their new engine is way better means that they are still far behind. There a number of shooters that use prone (i.e. Homefront) and for them unable to do this despite their arrogant claim of how advance their new engine makes them a laughing stock instead.

Why are they so reluctant to create a new Bad Company??

Definitely agree with the title. If they make Bad Company 3 then that would definitely be a step in the right direction!

It’s done. The current development team has no idea why people liked BF.

BF3? They need to go back to BF2 for the mainline. Heck, I'd settle for true-to-source remakes of BF2 and BC2 (w/ Vietnam). Everything they've done in the 'modern' era is just bad.

Doubt they will smh which is messed up

EAis pretending to be one of those deaf mutes

I've not played 2042 myself but after v I don't feel like it. I played a few hours of v with friends but it feels ultra sterile I can't figure it out but the game looks and feels clinical. The storys in the campaign were also bland and uninteresting and felt like a dull trudge through checkpoints as you waited for an ending.

I've played the franchise dating back to it's original PC launch and PS2 spin off games I did enjoy 1 overall and it's take on placing you in different scenarios and battles was interesting but not all that good imo as you couldn't really connect with any characters longer than 2 hours.

hardline for all the hate it recived was a fun story and a new take but a bad mp game

I feel like v overall was the turning point and instead of showing the gritty reality of war they turned everything sterile and presented it in a clean cut boring frame in order to pump it full of weird micro transactions overall they spent far to much time on trying to implant ray tracing and other graphical flourishes and forgot to make the game enjoyable

I mean thats all we've wanted since BF4 but they keep doing everything we don't want.