Heavy Rain: did it deserve BAFTAs?

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Vojkan5541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

Well said gravemaker

If it is an "opinion piece" then you should not ask questions. Because it isn't opinion any more. You are questioning it, wanting debate over that subject. Another f..l contradicting him self. THINK!

hennessey865541d ago

is in my top 10 all time greats, its a master piece

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sowasred20125541d ago

The question is simply a title, rhetorical at most.

I played it, didn't like it, don't understand why it's so well regarded - what's wrong with trying to start a debate about it?

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njd825541d ago

I think publicly posting an article to a community which is open to comments kinda suggests that they might wanna get a bit of a debate going.

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I_find_it_funny5541d ago

if HR didn't then what did?

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nix5540d ago

how abt asking if OP was worth winning game of the year? HR is a great game. let's just stop there?

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Scary695539d ago

@ sowasred2012

The reason it is well regarded is because it was UNIQUE & DIFFERENT. Common sense will tell you this, it's not your same old shooter or other action game that is released almost every month. It gives the players choices with consequences not your everyday game this is why this is a GREAT game and will always be well regarded. Now get over it and move it along.

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gamingdroid5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

The question really is "WHY did Heavy Rain deserve BAFTA"?

As far as I can tell, the darn thing isn't even considered a game....

RememberThe3575540d ago

It depends on who you ask. I consider it a game. But if you don't like it you might not be so inclined. Its a game the same way the old PC adventure games were games. Just because it doesn't represent something easily recognizable doesn't mean it's not a game.

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Raf1k15540d ago

Of all the different types of digital entertainment I like games the best because they combine sound, visuals and interaction. I therefore define games as being interactive digital entertainment and as such Heavy Rain easily falls into that catagory.

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Figboy5540d ago

I take issue with the notion that Heavy Rain isn't considered a game. The video game definition of game is loosely defined as an interactive experience in which the player is given a goal, some game play mechanics, some type of obstacle(s), and is challenged to accomplish the goal.

The means by which the player is given to complete said goal is not set in stone. If that were the case, we'd only have genre of games.

Heavy Rain gives the player a goal at the start of each scene, as well as gameplay mechanics and obstacles. Just because the game forgoes traditional game design elements doesn't make it any less of a game. Flower is a very non-traditional game as well, so should we say that it's not a game as well?

Gamers this generation tend to have a very narrow-minded view when it comes to game genres, shying away from anything that doesn't conform to a genre standard, and vilifying it. The irony is that they then get up on their soapboxes and lament the lack of creative game concepts and ideas.

Heavy Rain is not a perfect game, and there is plenty to criticize, but what the game does well far outweighs it's flaws. As an experience, there is literally no other gaming experience like it currently. A game doesn't have to be flawless for it to be praised and recognized by it's peers.

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Xander-RKoS5540d ago

@Figboy

While I agree with you, Heavy Rain is not an entirely unique experience. One problem I noticed with the game is that where most games would have you die if you failed a challenge, Heavy Rain actually scripts it so you can't die. Trust me, I tried to get Ethan killed so many times and then I looked online and saw that there are scripted parts where any character can die.

Much of what David Cage said like "anyone can die at anytime" is a lie and "choices matter" is also a lie since most choices are meaningless.

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MysticStrummer5540d ago

@Xander - Come on man. That many different endings means that choices do matter. I know the "good" ending I got and the "bad" ending I got were very different and both awesome in their own way. Characters can die in different ways at different times. Norman Jayden can die in several different ways in one scene alone. Of course the game won't allow you to kill the main character... sheesh. Heavy Rain is pretty unique in today's gaming world.

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nycrekid5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

gaming droid

So i guess only games where you get to shoot people in the face and blow shit up is considered a game right? How long you've been gaming? Like 5 years or something?

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drosera15540d ago

Oh, and i guess you class Halo and COD as REAL games eh? Wow, the skill needed to aim and pop someone in the head/torso must be order of magnitudes more than playing Heavy Rain, a game where you make emotional decisions, explore, and solve puzzles. Heavy Rain is great, the only people who can't see that are online FPS maniacs who's opinions are meaningless in the intelligent, thinking world.

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outwar60105540d ago

VERY WELL SAID lol heavy rain and all of the other quantic dream games are the only ones that i never trade in etc(i have fahrenheit on steam xbox and pc cd copy)

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darx5540d ago

Why?

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outwar60105540d ago

original xbox broke(first version i had it for) then i bought the pc version(no longer have a pc i use a netbook) bought it on steam(for my netbook) i love their games the music the story etc is just epic

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Neckbear5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

So, you're going to disregard an opinion just "because the game came out a year ago"?

That's a rather weak argument, even more considering the author presents his points pretty well, providing logical explainations against the fallacies of what said awards represent, and how they are NOT applicable to the game.

On-Topic: No, not really. Everything that Heavy Rain did was done better before. All it had going for it was the hype and media attention it got, nothing more.

Hell, quoting the article:

"...so all I can think is that those other nominees must have really dropped the ball in the story department, that their stories were comparable to the river of shit Dufresne crawled through at the end of Shawshank, so awful were they that the award went to Heavy Rain as the best of a bad lot."

Rynx5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

@sowasred2012

There's nothing to debate though. You don't like it, YOU don't get it, BUT the BAFTA's did. What's there to debate about? Obviously if you didn't get it while playing the game, you won't get it at all. You're just starting nonsense over a game that's a year old. Let it go.

I don't get why everyone still devours COD.
I don't get why there's still hate on anything PS3 related with certain media outlets.
I don't get why Capcom still tries to rip off their fighting game fans with DLC.

...But you know what, I move it along. pick your "debates" wisely bro....

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sowasred20125540d ago

These are all good points - the only reason I've written this is because there's such a rabid love for the game, and I fail to see what the fuss is for.

I'm reacting to the hype surrounding the game more than anything else.

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MysticStrummer5540d ago

Exactly Rynx. No one can make him get it, just like no one can make me understand why Halo is still so popular. Every year, people claim they'll never buy another Call of Duty and yet the sales end up being staggering. Every time a PS3 exclusive shows up, it's subjected to amazing scrutiny and criticism, when the same "issues" are completely ignored in other games. Hell, look at the recent debate about Crysis 2. A certain group thinks it looks better than Killzone 3, despite the fact that it displays the same problems that a PS3 multiplat gets slammed for in comparison. Lower rez, screen tearing, less going on, bad AA, stupid AI... none of that means it isn't a better game, with the exception of the bad AI, but to claim it looks better is ludicrous. What good is it to have a larger environment with more choices when the AI doesn't require you to try different things? I don't understand any of that, but I do understand why Heavy Rain deserves to win awards. There's no point in asking for an explanation at this late date.

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Emilio_Estevez5541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

It won because of great story telling and innovative choices they made when making the game.

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Close_Second5540d ago

The underlying story was ok but its execution was full of plot holes.

I have to admit I loved the game but was completely disappointed by the ending.

dragonyght5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

lol which one?

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Close_Second5540d ago

Only played it through once. I don't often play any single player game through a second time and when I do I don't often finish the second play through.

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njd825541d ago

I personally agree with the article and this is coming from an avid supporter of all things playstation.

It neither worked as a video game or as a film - the latter being what most supporters claim Heavy Rain should be viewed as. If thats the case then I hope all supporters are looking forward to the next Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson film as that'll probably be around the same maturity level.

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RememberThe3575540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

The level of interaction available make it impossible for Heavy Rain to be considered a film. If it was a film it would be a linear experience. Heavy Rain is far from linear. Your action dictate the entire direction and pace of the game.

Heavy Rain is in fact a video game. And as I said above. The fact that there hasn't been anything else like it in a decade does not make it less of a game.

Uncharted is more of a film than Heavy Rain.

MysticStrummer5540d ago

Comparing Heavy Rain to a Dwayne Johnson film... That fails on so many different levels. You can't possibly be serious.

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PimpHandHappy5541d ago

and please dont take this wrong 360 fanboys

The average age of a PS3 is 10 years older then a 360 owner.. Gameinformer.. 360=26yrs PS3=35yrs

now i have friends that debunk that but they also own a PS3... As older gamers most of us have kids and the story in HR had a impact on all of us that do have children.. Thats why it was so well regarded.. the story

now let me say.. I had fun with it but not enough fun to play through multiple times.

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elpresador5540d ago

....usually when people bring up age of owners they usually go to maturity level and if you are in the so called average age of a ps3 owner then it makes me wonder why on earth your SN is PimpHandHappy. Not the most mature of SNs/

Also, the kids in the game are like what, 8 or so? So a 26 year old cant have an 8 year old child or if they do are still not mature or old enough for the story to have an impact on them?

I know you said please dont take this wrong but look at my first paragraph, claiming an age (which i am sure you will say maturity as well) is a big factor but then you are a mid 30s gamer with the sn you do is pretty hypocritical.

PimpHandHappy5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

maybe even 5 now

i have been a commenter of here for a very long time... Im posting on a gaming website and compared to many others on here my name holds very little weight towards my stance on games or life. Trying to say your immature because you use the word "Pimp" in your name is silly. Its just a screen name like i said on a gaming website

and yes we can bring up maturity of PSN vs XBL but we all know both have idiots but from what i have played i would say PSN has more adults and less childish adults

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AnxietyAttack5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

@PimpHandHappy

LOL! Go back to playing with your toy!

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PimpHandHappy5540d ago

i have big boy toys at my age :-)

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fooltheman5540d ago

gameinformer.. 360=26yrs PS3=35yrs

these are only averages... we should look at the variance too...

DarkTower8055540d ago

@ PimpHand, well said. Its the emotional aspect of HR why so many (including myself) loved it. Some people just aren't there yet in life and can't understand that yet.

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StoneyYoshi5540d ago

yes it deserved it. now the question should be....

"Does Call Of Duty deserve to be in each game of the year nominee every single year?"

that answer is NO!!!

CherryLu-Chan5540d ago

When I think of this game I can't help but think of one of the finest episodes of 'Hey Ash, Watcha Playin'.

Now *that* deserved a BAFTA.
^-^

BlackTar1875540d ago

lol that was pretty funny. GAYYYYYYYYYY ROFL

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_LarZen_5540d ago

I just loved Heavy Rain, it is one of the most emotional games I have played in years, if not my entire life!

Just love that some developers takes the chance to make something so different then all the recycled games out there.

But I would gues that most young gamers would find Heavy Rain boring and silly since they like fast action 24/7. Me a old fart in the making like to take it slow sometimes with a story that thrills me...

Old fart signing off..

hennessey865540d ago

ive ever played that made me regret my decisions. Like the bit in the car where you go under water i decided to save myself but then i wondered what the story would have been like if id saved her.

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Cloudberry5540d ago

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More / less than 2 million sold.

Won numerous of awards.

Praises from high profile game developers.

Etc.

My PS3 2010 Game Of Year.

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v0rt3x5540d ago

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeees

midgard2275540d ago

the story was amazing, gameplay innovative and best of all, it wasnt a shooter like 85% of this gen so yes it deserved it

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MetalGearBear 5540d ago

hell yes!!!!
Heavy rain was so awesome.

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Nac5540d ago

I have a friend who is so hung up on Halo that he wont even touch Heavy Rain. What a shame...

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MysticStrummer5540d ago

To each his own, but I'd say your friend is passing up an amazing experience to play the type of game that's less than a dime a dozen these days.

Der_Kommandant5540d ago

It deserve the Oscar!

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diehardgamer10005540d ago

one long ass troll article, millions of pple disagree with u

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Habylab5540d ago

Of course it fucking did, now move along.

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dkgshiz5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

Better then 90% of the games that came out this generation. At least it took a risk by basically starting a new genre. What genre it is? No idea. You create a name for it. All I know is there really is not game like it and it plays differently from any other game out on the market so...

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njd825540d ago

But it didn't. And if it did could you explain what that genre is?

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zatrox5540d ago

"Basically starting a new genre"

Point and click adventures, along graphical and visual novels, were here.

For god's sake, COME ON. "YEAH LET'S IGNORE A WHOLE GENRE THAT HAS MORE THAN A DECADE RUNNING LOL INNUVASHIUN"

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dkgshiz5540d ago

This game is not a point and click adventure....did you even play it? Come back here after you did then we will talk.

Ninjamonkey825540d ago

It deserved GOTY simple as that we need more inovation like this. Gaming is getting stale and sooner people start learning this the better good on David Cage tbh. /thread.

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zatrox5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

"in·no·va· tion (n-vshn)

n.

1. The act of introducing something new.
2. Something newly introduced."

Quoting the article.

Heavy Rain was NOT innovative. It didn't introduce something NEW. Have you played Grim Fandango, for example? 999? For fuck's sake, even Phoenix Wright or Ghost Trick? There's a WHOLE GENRE dedicated to doing what Heavy Rain did, since the 90s.

C'mon.

@MrDead

The structure and overall gameplay is, actually, similar. Heavy Rain just has fancy, annoying QTEs in-between.

It's the whole adventure genre that's there; that was my point.

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MrDead5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

I love Grim Fandango, it plays nothing like heavy rain. I would like to get a copy that works on windows 7

@zatrox I have been playing point click adventure games since loom, all the monkey islands, all simon the sorcrers, sam and max, beneath a steel sky, flight of the amazon queen.... etc Heavy rain is very different, the decisions you make in heavy rain change the game quite a lot, they give you different story arc's which can lead the game in a different direction and even if you make the same choices the outcome can still be different Heavy rains convenience store for example or running from the police you can make the same decisions but you might do it too soon or too late and this can lead to going to prison not starting a relationship with madason... so many things.

The game truly deserves all the praise it gets.

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badboy8085540d ago

"I just finished Heavy Rain"???? Heavy Rain was released Febuary 23, 2010 and now you all of a sudden decide to play it and criticize the awards it awards it DESERVED! I don't buy it.

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njd825540d ago

Oh god you're right - the writer of this article has clearly forgotten that personal opinion of any kind becomes null and void after 12 months.

I'd better head off to my local library to burn all the books.

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MrDead5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

Yes, Sí, Oui, Ja, Sim, Ken, Shah, Jes, Hai, Ndiyo, Haa'n, Gee, Oo, 是 [Shi], Baleh, Na'am, a-yo, Já, Haan, Hanji, Ho, hufi, Áno, Ano, Igen, Да, Da, Evet, Avunu, Nai, tak, Da, Taip, AYE.

(thats yes in 30+ different languages)

So yes, yes it did.

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hoops5540d ago

I love this game because it's very much different from all the other type games that came out the same time. Honestly Heavy Rain is a breath of fresh air and kudos for the game fully! Please bring out more games like this.

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dragon825540d ago

It deserves all the awards it gets.

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njd825540d ago

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY - WHOS ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ THE ARTICLE?

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zatrox5540d ago

Most of the people that read the headline and proceed to comment, instead of refuting the author's points in the comments, but of course!

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MrDead5540d ago

I wish I hadn't

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iistuii5540d ago

One of those games you really must play, but it's also a game that you can only really play through once or twice at a push. I didnt feel the need to do all the detective work or the personal hygiene once you know the outcome, but I really loved it the first play through.

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itsralf5540d ago

There are 22 different endings. Why would you call it a push to play it twice?

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iistuii5540d ago

Exactly, all the clue searching you do is the same so it became a chore as I knew that after I did it all again the only difference would be the changes in the characters either living or dying in the endings.

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Veneno5540d ago

Your logic fails. People play "traditional" games over because they just plain love the game. It's fun. It does something for them.

So by your logic should I never, ever, ever, play Super Mario Bros simply because I'm doing the same thing over again? Isn't that the point?

Kran5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

I loved the game. Not the best that's out there, but was certainly entertaining and one PS3's greats. I didnt like my ending though. So many bad things happened :'(

People compared it to Alan Wake. Why? They were released at 2 different times and told completely different stories.

Agree or not, but I did like Alan Wake SLIGHTLY more. Only slightly.

But it did deserve it's BAFTA's

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Coke-a-Cola5540d ago

Good Taste and judgment are largely born....... not learned .

This leads a great number of persons astray .
Even at times fiercely defending total trash .

The game is what it is ........ Nothing more .

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mightyboot5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

It deserved because there wasnt better which is sad, Heavy Rain is nothing special.Farenheit was special but not HR for me.

HR is not one of my favorites of this gen by a long shot because when your done with the story your done with the game that´s it there´s no secrets and collectables to pick up like Farenheit (aka Indigo Profecy)it gets boring fast after completing the game even if you can change some things in the next playthrough.

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Thrungus5540d ago

Yep, it deserved what it got.

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xstation795540d ago

I was disapointed after I found out that alot of it still turn out to be the same no matter which choice you made. It was very short with no multiplayer and no replay value.

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Xander-RKoS5540d ago

Plot holes and insulting plot twists = brilliant storytelling
Nudity = mature themes (and definitely not sexism)
Quick-time events and everything being heavily scripted = innovative game play
Branching paths where most of them actually lead to the same thing and a good number of them don't actually matter = masterful game design.

I don't think the game should have won any award other than for its pretty graphics. I liked the game a bit, I had fun with it, but a lazy/stupid/insulting plot coupled with a terrible UI, and topped off with boring gameplay elements does not make a great game.

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sowasred20125540d ago

Ha - if my article was condensed into two paragraphs I couldn't put it better than this :)

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xtreampro_REVENGE!5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

Yep you summed up the entire game.

And about the graphics, they're probably the weakest graphics I've seen this gen. The environments look on par with GTA3 and the people look dead and lifeless.

Their facial and body animations are flippin horrendous!

Video Games = FUN!
Heavy Rain = Depression

Xander-RKoS5540d ago

For what its worth, I had fun with the game. It just not as good as most people think it is.

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GodofwarGoty5540d ago

heavy rain is my number 1 favourite game of all time it deserved all the awards it got and it deserves even more i dont care what some guy says i cant wait for david cages next game heavy rain is one of the best games that has ever came out and who ever disagrees most be one of these guys who plays only shooters and doesnt know anything about( video games masterpieces)

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Xander-RKoS5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

Why? Or rather why does it deserve awards and why is one of the best games around?

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finnhima5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

I read through the article and hated it. Its one thing to have an opinion, but its another thing to have an opinion held in high regard as if its fact, and insult the ones who don't share the same. Throughout the "opinion piece" this comment irritated me the most.

"Heavy Rain holds something like an 83 rating on Metacritic, and there’s a part of me that wants to attribute this to the power of fanboys, which can be a very powerful thing. Heavy Rain is exclusive to PS3, and I’m pretty sure there’s a tendency to look at console exclusive games through rose-tinted glasses because the opposing team (Xbox 360, in this case), doesn’t have what you have and you want to rub it in their faces."

You think that the story is horrible, and EVERY CRITIC, that enjoyed it and awarded it a high-score has been reduced to "fanboy" status. This opinion piece was one of the trashiest ive ever read on n4g. Let me cap that off by saying that this is from my "opinion"

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Achemki5540d ago

Did he really say that?! I didn't click it, just passing through. Wow. So now a game winning awards and being critically acclaimed (87 bub, not 83) means 'fanboyism'? LOL. If his thoughts went to that it probably means that's the kind of thing HE does. In this case, deduct points for exclusivity. If this was a multiplat, this article probably wouldn't exist.

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christoph2035540d ago

Heavy rain deserved it all the way, a game that dares to be what it wants to be.. I dunow if game designers are idiots or generaly think shooting zombies is gunna make a good game story. I think most people focus on money , quantic dream focused on their own ambition.

Phoenix765539d ago

You ask the question ‘what is it that everybody else saw in this game that you didn’t and as to why it deservers the awards that it got?
A Fair enough question when NOT posted with a one sided view of ‘oh i totally hated this game, thats wrong with it thats wrong with it and why oh why so many critics allcaimed it and why it won awards’.
Well without taking one any one side to this, maybe it was receivied so well by so many other is simply because…….. there was no other game done this way, in this manner and in this fashion throught the entire bloody year!!! (and prehaps a few more).
Now i have only within the past 5 months left my PC behind and returned back to consoles which i left 6 years ago to look for new and different ways of playing variety of different games and ways of ‘being able use’ different controllers. And from my own personal POV, every year we see the same games over and over again with little difference apart from them.
For example (and pls dont flame here guys pls) Killzone, nice looking game, so is halo, so is cod, etc etc, but under the flash looking graphics and sound tracks, they really are excatly the game!! Honestly guys. A FPS is nothing more than a first person shooter clone of DOOM!!!! how many shooters can u count being released in past twelve months????
Uncharted, Assains Creed, (again dont flame me pls) but didn’t any of u play games like tomb raider about 15 years ago!!!! different look, same under bonnet though really when u seriously think about it.
I think the only reason why Heavy Rain got such high acclaim is simply down to the fact that there was very little out there that was anything like it within that year, which is why many, many cricics hailed a something that was fresh and was not simply a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.
But that is my view on it. and yeah, i’ll even admit down here at the bottom (lol) i have played HR, and i have to say, it was a fresh breath of air for me as was the first PS3 game i brought 5 months ago after so many goddam shooter games, staragy games, 3rd person platformers etc etc etc

Phoenix765539d ago

Oh and allow me to say this pls, but combine HR with the PSmove controllers and for what seems like a first from my POV is a serious game that use's motion controllers for the more serious and hardcore gamers who quite frankly are tired of seeing such interesting piece's of hardware being used to play little more than shovelware games.
I dont wish to offend anyone who owns these devices, if it's on the Wii, PS3 or Xbox with that statement, but all i've seen MC's being used for is for games that are quite frankly aimed at kids my daughters age(4)! Examples being Sports Resort(Wii), Eyepet(PS3), Kinectimals(XBox).
Im glad that HR has shown that these devices can be used by the more larger and more hardcore group, who's surpport for their preferred systems, was until recently over looked.