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Microsoft shows off future graphic tech for Xbox 360

Gamersmint: Microsoft’s developing new technology for Xbox 360 which uses a system called Mega Meshes that will be supporting tessellation units of Xbox 360 and will increase the polygon count and level of detail by a huge margin for upcoming Xbox 360 exclusives.

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psb5537d ago

and I won't be surprised if Project Milo turns out to be more than a tech demo and gets converted into a full-blown Kinect title. If this presentation is anything to go by, Lionhead's def not done with this game for sure.

MAJ0R5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

keep in mind that it's a tech demo which usually don't look as good as the actual game

GrieverSoul5537d ago

Its a Tech Demo but it shows what improvements are possible when using the same hardware. Its these improvements they show how skilled the devs are and how future proof the current consoles are.

WhittO5537d ago

Looks good, mainly for jaggies being nowhere in sight.

Have to say though those rocks don't look impressive at all and is prob something you can find on a new tablet device lol, but it is just a tech demo.

Plus, it prob won't be able to keep up that standard of AA etc when AI etc is added.

captain-obvious5537d ago

its the new engine lionhead is making
Ive heard that they'll use it for Milo

a08andan5537d ago

I agree with you. The demo looks great but there is NO interaction with anything. Just a camera that moves around. Once you add destructibility or some other form of interaction, pick up, move an object, jump onto an object etc, the processing power required is vastly increased.

sjaakiejj5537d ago

"a tech demo which usually don't look as good as the actual game"

I'm sure you know, but it's the other way around. It's the actual game that usually doesn't look as good as the tech demo.

Vherostar5537d ago

Tech demos though I mean look at the FFVII tech demo and how good that looked on ps3. Not even uncharted looked that good. Lets just move on MS only cares about Kinect now.

crxss5537d ago

looks no different than what's currently out there now...

pixelsword5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

Pedobear is pleased

lil Titan5537d ago

it cool if its for the kinect but if thats something for a 360 game im disappointed smh but its not like ill be playing it lol

KingME5537d ago

I was wondering how long it was going to take for the jealous haters to rear their ugly heads...lol

lil Titan5537d ago

not jealous, not a hater, and God knows im not ugly but it seems as if no one can take a little joke smh. i swear if i insult your system either PS3, 360 or PC its like im insulting your religion or something...GROW UP its an object that brings you nothing more than entertainment to your miserable what you call life

hiredhelp5537d ago

Thankyou MAJOR you just saved me from saying the same thing. the same trap s always used to fool people they fall for it everytime.

Inside_out5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

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Same tech as the Milo demo seen here in it's entirety before it was cancelled as M$ ASKED Peter not to make it a game...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Obviously, there was a lot of time and money spent on this " demo " and you can bet that it will end up in a game, maybe we will see it at E3.

BTW...M$ asked Peter to demo this for Epic...Hmmmm...wonder why???

kikizoo5537d ago

"jealous haters"

lol, you are probably talking about a poor guy without console, because wii boyz are not really interested by graphisms, and ps3 boys have better, and more each years.

livinwitbias5537d ago

@Lil Titan & kikizoo, funny thing is you claim not to be there jealous hater, yet you responded in kind.

Perhaps you should use the "if the shoe fits" analogy.

nveenio5537d ago

There is always a loss in visual fidelity from tech demo to full production. PLUS, this comes from Lionhead...there's a lot of smoke in Lionhead's studio.

Active Reload5537d ago

So what if this is a tech demo? It seems to me they're going in the same direction that iD is going. Rage is the only game I see that's running and looking as good as this. We'll see though...

rroded5537d ago

Looks like the nwo is about ta fry?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

ps upload the vid if u can got a fealing it will go poof soon lol

nickjkl5537d ago

@vherostar

actually ff13 came pretty close to that with in engine cutscenes

gameplay not so much

but with some optimizations it could be closer

mostly talking about physics of cloth hair and flowers not the actual character models textures or animations

also infamous 2 seems o surpass ff7 techdemo

lil Titan5536d ago

@livinwitbias who else above me was talking harshly against the 360 then? its not if the shoes fit they can fit anyone but those pair were bought just for me mistakenly smh another fanboy you are

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Bigpappy5537d ago

Looks great. Gears 3 look great too by the way.

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The_Ultimate_Guy5537d ago

Gears 3 has the best graphics this gen.

Can't wait.

If only some of the flagship titles on other competing consoles could give the kind of gameplay that Gears has given. Oh well, sales tells the whole story. Those who like the game buy the game.

MAJ0R5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

^^
then COD must be the best game ever according to ur logic

ZeroX98765537d ago

@MAJ0R
Man, having CoD with best game in the same sentence, shouldn't even be possible!
but yeah, sales doesn't mean a game is great. A lot of my friends aren't big gamers, but they bought COD. it's easy to play, more arcade unlike maybe Killzone or battlefield and Modern Warfare set the popularity bar very high, so any COD that comes out after is popular.

The_Ultimate_Guy5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

@MAJ0R

Sales is a tool used to measure demand. The higher the sales, the greater the demand. People vote with their wallets what they feel is best worth their hard earned money.

Demand for CoD is greater than Demand for say Killzone 3.

Thus to the masses that make up the total FPS consumer base demographics, CoD was worth their money over other FPS titles. How great a game is "TO YOU" is personal preference that cannot be measured. However sales is a measurement of what the MARKETS personal preference is which CAN be measured.

So YES, the CoD franchise is one of the greatest franchises in gaming history indicated by sales. Each MW COD game that sells well is an indicator that people want to continue playing those games over other titles.

Your ignorance must be blissful.

@ZeroX9876

"sales doesn't mean a game is great. A lot of my friends aren't big gamers, but they bought COD. it's easy to play"

So your friends chose to pick up CoD for the simple reason that it's easy to play over other FPS titles....HELLO!!! That is an indicator that the CoD game was worth their money because they felt it was a game that was a pick up and play. CoD then was "greater" than other titles in their eyes which is why the bought it.

JBaby3435537d ago

@ The_Ultimate_Guy - Your argument is flawed. While demand can be somewhat estimated by sales, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's what consumers thought was most worth their money and chose that over other titles. I've talked to too many people who don't follow video games closely (most people don't spend time on video game sites) and know nothing except franchises like COD and Halo so their ignorance buys those games; Not the quality of those titles. It's not that they chose COD over KZ2 or 3, or the Battlefield series, or Resistance, etc. They bought it because they don't even know the other games exist. You have to take that into consideration and that's why sales is a poor judge of quality and even demand.

Sono4215537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

EXACTLY Jbaby took the words right out of my mouth, My friends arn't big gamers but they own the console and they literally only know call of duty, When I told them I bought Killzone 3 they said "whats that?" I let them play it, now one of them sold BO and got KZ3 and the other just went and bought KZ3. Its pretty much ignorance that keeps it going not quality. And possibly little kids.

baodeus5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

@Jbaby343, Sono421, The Ultimate Guy

So here is a suggestion on how we can differentiate between quality and popularity (base on majority): If you guys agree that is.

1. Sells = popularity
2. Rating = quality

So now let compare these games together (highest sells + highest rating of the franchise this gen):

1. Halo3 (+10mil, 94), CoD: MW (+10mil,94), KZ2 (+3mil,91)
2. Gears 1 (+5mil, 94), UC2: (~3-5mil, 96), MGS4: (+5mil, 94)
3. GT5: (+5mil, 84), Forza 3: (~3-4mil, 92)
4. FF13: (+5mil, 83), ME2: (+1mil, 96), Elderscroll Oblivion (??, 93), Fable2: (~3-4mil, 89), DS: (+1mil, 89)
5. Mario galaxy 2: (???, 97), LBP: (+3mil, 95), R&C: (???,89)
6. GTA4: (~7-10mil, 98), RDR: (+5mil, 95)
More?????

So as you can see, sold is mostly depends on the popularity of the games (halo, FF, GT, GTA, MGS), but on average, higher rated new IP games tend to also sell well. People may not be as ignorant as you guys may think right Jbaby343?

kikizoo5537d ago

Who can disagree with nalyd nolat facts ? it's incredible how delusional they are..

like this "Gears 3 has the best graphics this gen."

the guy just forget to add "on 360".

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Maddens Raiders5537d ago

...isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? Yes, and my question in rhetorical. Apologies.

Shane Kim5537d ago

I really can't see this happen. But I agree with a08andan. No interaction at all. It's just like the FF games from PS1 era with pre-rendered backgrounds wich looks great, but characters and fights that don't match.

Similar with this.

SkyGamer5537d ago

and the ps2 era. FFx-2 cutscenes looked great but poor little jaagied yuna. I wouldn't talk too much of prerendered scenes. sony uses this tactic a lot, ahem uc and kz series.

Blackdeath_6635537d ago

they should have announced this earlier this year if they were really serious about it. i mean if i was microsoft the first thing i would have done is announce this tech cus they have nothing else to offer for this year and they are pretty weak compared to ps3's game line up. i would much prefer it if they leave this tech for the next xbox (720?) rather than use it now

likedamaster5537d ago

The lighting was pretty nice, especially in that last shot.

frostypants5537d ago

I'll always be skeptical after their claims for what Alan Wake would look like vs. how it ended up.

Great game, but man did they fall short of their graphical promises.

Big_L5537d ago

Look at how blurry it is, and look at how low resolution everything but the water is

See, a game like oblivion would look great like this. But why are people bringing up gears? If they came out with a shooter like this I would throw it in the trash.

Over use of the bloom effect on lighting to make everything blurry doest equate to good graphics

Mizz_mai5537d ago

....sigh,this is just shows how many people havent played uncharted 2,or god of war 3.
Plus this "tech demo" is from none other than Lionhead studios aka microsofts main mouth piece (besides greenberg&nelson) if i had a pound or dollar for each broken promise they've made....

strifeblade5537d ago

ive played both, god of war's graphics are overtrated, take off your fanboy goggles and smell the coffee kid

broken promises? what about sony's promise of party chat? oh wait didnt happen ... burn

im no xbox fanboy and i think these images are crap, nothing special, but xbox is still my console of choice

Mizz_mai5536d ago

@strifeblade

first of all spouting anti-sony nonsense when your name is strife blade is just FAIL...

Wether you feel the graphics in G.O.W 3 and UC2 are overrated,it is a fact that nothing on the 360 even comes close....if it wasnt for cry babies like you microsoft wold probably have done something about it

And how important is cross game chat when PS3 owners actually have a deluge of 1st party exclusives to play each year....??

And your really going to compare sony's intergrity to microsofts,lionhead/moleneux to be specific your an idiot

Lykon5537d ago

hmmm yes it's only a tech demo, maybe they could make it into a full game, maybe something with cute animals and motion sensing arm flapping cam fun! Rad

Megaton5537d ago

Looks good, but... I dunno. There are probably games on consoles right now that look as good if not better than this. When I think "future tech demo", I think a new leap in graphics, like what Epic showed. Not this.

ps3destroyer5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

Keep in mind that for ps3 fanboys even 23 billion of polygons aren't enough. Because if it's not on the ps3 it fails right?

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Tachyon_Nova5537d ago

Those screens are so blurry they hurt my eyes, especially the foliage heavy ones.

If this is all about increasing polygon counts, why is the only round thing there so polygon deficient?

Shaman5537d ago

Its blurry because its screen capture taken from yt video.

Raendom5537d ago

So true. That rubber ring should be nice and smooth. This doesn't look really at all different to anything else on 360 to me, just in a pretty environment with nice sunshine doesn't make it good graphics...

tdogchristy905537d ago

Interesting. I wonder what this will mean for the longevity of the console.

BakedGoods5537d ago

Microsoft wants us to GET OUR WALLETS READY!!

Led-Zeppelin5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

Xbox 720 is probably going to get pushed back 2 or 3 years now.

DigitalHorror815537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

Please tell me they're not going to call it that. Is the 3rd one going to be called the "1080" and launch with a Snowboarding/Skateboarding game? PLEASE tell me this is not the case.

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Cartesian3D5537d ago (Edited 5537d ago )

15 FPS , completely 2D trees (they turn around when they move the camera) , one source of lighting (no multiple source)

I dont want to be a troll ..it looks good but it wont help games, because with 15 FPS nobody can play a game, without interactivity,AI,realtime events all games in 360 will look this good and even better.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio16d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing15d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9215d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit15d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing15d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9215d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay17d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn218d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn217d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown18d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay17d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay17d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac17d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger18d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300018d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde18d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde17d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7519d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_17d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.