"What an idiot" "Who is Carmack" and before this crap I would like you to know that Carmack is the guy that Nvidia and AMD ask about feature gpu design decisions,as well as console manufactures.

There is nothing out of ordinary in his statement,whole lot a developers prefer 360 over ps3.Its cheaper,faster and easier to get your game running on 360.Not that ps3 doesn't have its strengths...

Yes we know its tough to develop for the PS3 big fucking deal.

Sony learned its lesson and NGP is easier to develop.

Qoute should read

"The PS3 is still far and away better than anything else that’s ever been made... except maybe the 360,"

Maybe being the keyword here folks. Also he has his preference, thats 100% ok people. I think Carmack has earned the option to pick what he likes in this industry.

He knows what he's talking about, he's a tech head.. both console are similar in terms of specs, one is easier to work with, the other isn't as easy.. which would you prefer?

but people may take his words out of context.. or twist it for their own agendas lol.. it's all good have fun..

I think the real reason games look better on PS3 than 360 is because 360 devs are stuck using unreal 3. PS3 devs are happy to innovate and use other engines.

Its not the console, its the engines being used!
Thats why RAGE looks better than anything on 360 and easily as good as uncharted 2

He's made at least 1 or 2 comments a year on PS3 and 360 for the past 5 years. This is nothing new.

He likes the simplicity of the 360 but likes the PS3 for Blu Ray.

He's always said the PS3 is more powerful ultimately, but harder to develop for.

Title of this article is lol, he said "maybe".

"The PS3 is still far and away better than anything else that’s ever been made...(oh shit, wait a minute, I need to NOT piss off Microsoft) except maybe the 360."

I think you can take this statement a lot of ways, but taking it as "well, obviously the 360 is superior to the PS3" is just being ignorant to the fact that a man like John Carmack has to cater to both big hardcore console makers in everything he says.

"The PS3 is still far and away better than anything else that’s ever been made... except MAYBE the 360," Carmack says in the new issue of games™. "It’s a great time to be a developer," he added.

What a completely positive and normal answer, but I guess "maybe" doesn't start flame wars?

"Despite dropping such a bombshell, Carmack added that his favouritism wasn't to the detriment of the PS3. “Because I do favour the 360, it doesn’t mean I have anything all that negative to say about the PS3,” he said."

case closed

another blogger trolling for hits by warping a person's perfectly logical and civil answer into a taunt that speaks more about the blogger than carmack, the ps3, or 360.

"MAYBE"

nuff said

He favors the 360, but has nothing negative to say about the PS3. Simple enough. He didn't really give any reason why though, so is there more to this article or did the writer just choose this one quote to make an article?

developers have bias and preferences - Kojima and Nomura love PS3. This guy...idk what he likes. PS3 use to be hard to develop for but Sony worked on that. ANd yes devs do require effort otherwise 3rd party games will never compared to first party games.

Hey the man is a genius.

No matter how hard it is to work with PS3, that isn't going to change the fact they better start now then later.

Because if you wait to long, you're going to get left in the dust working with something that no one supports, it is like one of the makers of GOW said.

He went to school learning how to make games and when working on the PS3, all the stuff he learn was pointless. Because it was something that didn't work the same as what he learn.

Sorry but taking the easy road isn't the best way to go.

it's just his personal preference it dont mean shit to the rest of the world. Unless he lets his fanboyism dictate how he works with the PS3 but dont forget he isnt the only one at his company that makes games im sure thier are alot of people at his company that like the PS3.

Its true that the ps3 is much harder to work with than its counterpart but with that said we all know the result is alot better on the ps3 than its counterpart when the game developers dont have to make sacrifises.

I guess time is money .

No matter the reason, at least he's honest. Respect.

lol its just a preference, no more no less...

yet even though he prefers the 360, the 360's limitation of using DVD cut into Rage Development...comes to show u a remark like this doesnt mean a thing
http://www.1up.com/news/rag...

So he likes the 360 over the PS3? Alright no big deal but o boy this is gonna be a huge topic on here.

Carmack: A genius, about to be torn apart by the crowd here...there are times I wish PS3 fans would understand instead of taking anyone who insults the console, on

why oh why?

Who cares? That's his opinion. Many developers for Sony have said that they think working with PS3 suits them just fine and we have seen the results e.g. LBP, UC2, MGS4. So just because he says that he prefers the 360 what does that mean? That the 360 is better? No.It just means that he prefers it. ND, Insomniac, Kojima, Sucker Punch and GG who have virtually mastered the PS3 hardware will have something different to say about that.

I have nothing against his feelings. However, if we're on the topic of what's "better" or not, I would like to see the 360 exclusives that outshine KZ2 (& 3), Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, & God of War III. Just about anywhere you go, most agree that the PS3 has the upper hand when speaking from a technical perspective (and has the games to back it up).

I hate going there, but I would like to see the 360 start outclassing the PS3 on a technical/visual standpoint so that maybe these arguments could be laid to rest. No hate to Carmack though, the man's a legend in this industry!

If he says things like that I can no longer treat him seriously. This is admitting he has no skill to program PS3. Well, my money will go to people who DO have such talent.

and PC

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

Interesting tidbit, in where Carmack admits that the PS3 will have "more peak power", but also says it'll be easier to exploit the 360's specs. Of course that's a 2006 article, but the consoles are obviously the same in specs as 5 years ago.

So? Carmack prefers 360, Kojima prefers PS3, Itagaki prefers 360, Nomura prefers PS3....it goes on.

really?

http://www.gametrailers.com...

ps3 is the better overall system point blank period.

RAGE is an open world game and it run at 60Fps on Xbox 360 and 30 Fps on Ps3.
Best open world graphics
Best 60 fps graphics
Superior 360

Carmack is the best

I would of thought a man like Carmack would prefer the PC over the consoles.
:P

he favors the console thats more easy for him to program on

I have encountered feelings about this, I admire Carmack, I favor the PS3 but definitely if Carmack said to me "throw this bucket of gasoline in that industrial solder gun" I would do it.I just trust the guy.

I therefore just wish, hope, that PS3 RAGE version is not a crippled ass port.

And Carmack says Doom 4 looks 3 times better than Rage

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

It's incredible

In the exclusives PS3 beats 360 10:1, but 360 beats PS3 in multiplattform 8:1

But I will buy Rage where it is meant to be played, thats on my PC!

Wellllll
I prefer the ZX Spectrum... so there...

I'm not buying Rage

What's this all about? He said: "The PS3 is still far and away better than anything else that’s ever been made... except maybe the 360,"
There you go! He said: maybe
He's not sure about his own statement! When I am sure about a thing I don't use the term 'maybe'.
On the other hand: who cares? Everybody is free to buy the console of choice or play games on PC. I'm fine with that. Does this continiue for ever? Play games, don't argue about hardware. It's just equipment!

Carmack is a legend in this indurstry and a knowledgable man.
I fully agree with his statement.
Much love Mr. Carmack, I look forward to playing Rage on my 360.

Ha. Another misleading title. Thanks N4G. You're the videogame equivalent to Fox News. As for determining the technically superior platform, the results speak for themselves, and multiplats have nothing to do with it. The vast majority of multiplats look so close to identical as to make no real difference, but comparing exclusives... that's another story. It doesn't shock me that Carmack would say this. He's spent his career working with a certain set of tools and thinking about coding in a certain way. The PS3 is a different beast, and harder to tame, but as I said the results speak for themselves. In the end, side by side pixel counting will be required to tell the two console versions of Rage apart.

Wow, at least he is honest. i think most muti-plat devs feel this way too but wont speak out. Sony may have a little more power but the 360 is still the better console to develop for.

I have a lot of respect of John Carmack's talent as a developer. He truly is a person that really gets into tech more so than most other developers. If he prefers the 360 for some reason it has to be because of some technical reason. He did also say that the PS3 was a great piece of tech as well just that the 360 does some things that he prefers. To be honest, J. Carmack is a PC game developer and whatever he says about the consoles is lip service compared to the PC for him. Matter of fact, out of respect for his games, I only really like playing Carmack's games on the PC, that is really where they truly shine and where he gives them the most love.

This is western moral:
"As long as something is easy I like that."

That goes with video-game players, developers, movie makers, movies that are easily understood.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, but in few numbers.
Explore thy brain and don`t be afraid of challenges.

What one prefers does not equal to what one thinks is better.

Hail Carmack.

I remember when people saw Rage at E3 last year and thought for sure it was playing on a PS3 or P.C. only to find out it was actually on the Xbox 360. Looked fantastic and I was happy to see a developer finally take their time and make a game that looks nice and that will play nice.

A lot of developers prefer deving on the Xbox 360, so this article is really just flame bait, but to each their own.

How many games did you released for ps3 mister carmack.

Why would a profound dev like him, put out flamebait?

How many times has he developed for the cell processor prior to Rage? People always like working with something they are comfortable with. I can only guess Naughty Dogs people would be more comfortable with the PS3 as upposed to the 360 at this point.

Well, I'm not gonna say I like the 360 better than the PS3, as I'm quite the opposite, but I do like Carmack as a developer and his opinions are solid. He, unlike Lieutenant Dickenpuss McBonerville (Cliffy B, as proclaimed by that troll article yesterday), has a solid reason for it (easier to develop for) and doesn't act like, "PS3 OWNERZ R SHYTTTETGUBRGF".

Besides, the dude TAUGHT HIMSELF ENGINEERING. How the fuck can you hate this dude? He's quite literally a friggin' genius.

Smart man.

Lol, probably more easy to work with.

this devs should stfu for yours "opinions"

I think he's a smart man.Most devs would say exactly the same,even PS3 ones,if they had the chance.
The 360 is easier and cheaper to develop for and still produces 85-90% of the result of PS3.What dev wouldn't prefer it,BUT as a game fan I love the PS3 exclusive devs that give as that 10-15% more from our PS3 games.

There's a wow factor I never get on 360 from KZ,UC,Infamous 2,GOW3,MGS4 and even games like Motorstorm or Socom look
better than 360 similar efforts.
PS3 exclusives have a little edge over most other games.Yes the tech experts like Crytek,ID and even Epic get close,but it is rare.

In future I think Sony will take a more MS approach(look at NGP)and the thing is PS games will still probably look better.The 1st party Sony devs have some real skill and will always be exclusive.All 23 devs(so far).Ms have about 7 and some of them are little(Joyride?good god).

Only because his lazy.

From what i have seen its the PS3 that provides the games with the best GFX. However its extremely difficult to program for and it takes a lot of skill and money to make an amazing looking game on it.

Im just talking about consoles here.

Exactly, he's a programmer. The XBox 360 is much easier to program. Thus meaning less work for him. No wonder he likes the XBox 360 more than the PlayStation 3...

1st=pc
2nd=360

3rd=ps3.

I own both console, but if you think about it, he is a PC person that mainly works with PC architecture, PS3 is a totally different kind of beast, he is not saying the PS3 is bad, he just prefers the 360 architecture, nothing wrong with that, people have preferences.

well, rage well be hyped to high heaven, but i got a weird feeling in my gut that after the game is launched, it my not stand the test of time.

Why do some ppl act as if the ps3 is pushing crysis graphics on max? I been playing kz3 and dead space 2 both look great. Some ppl just give ps3 graphics way to much credit. They look good don't get me wrong but imo ds2 looks just as good if not better simply cause of art and atmosphere.

Didn't really care about RAGE before this and now I really don't care.

I've played DS2 on PC, and quite frankly although it's a great game. But the game is so narrow the graphics should be x10 what they are imo.

I really don't even think they push PS3 at all.

i dont care...just give me Doom 4 dammit

Not surprising at all and his comments show that it is still possible to have personal preference, but still remain professional. No dumbass tweats or mocking fans to keep his name in the news.

Still picking up Rage on the PS3 though. Carmack's a pro and a legend so I'm sure the PS3 version will not suffer due to personal preference.

I'd normally buy a game like this for my 360 but I'm not bothering with multiple discs.

Just wanted to know, is there a lot of gameplay videos about Rage? haven't been looking a lot on this one and Now that Carmack name's pops out, I'm curious to see some footage.

Kojima made a game where a solider in high heels stopped a destroyer. Who cares what these guys think.

Nothing wrong with having a preference.

Ha-ha-ha, who the hell cares for this 4 eyed nerd... ?

How much did Microsoft pay him to say it???

lol @ the ps3fanbabies: "MS paid carmack", "personal preference", kojima/nomura stroking, "360 is easier to develop for".

face it the systems are technically even, the only difference would be a larger medium. but i guess you all think storage=bettergraphics anyway so it's a lost cause.

These are the articles that get people banned as fanboys by N4G. So I'll just call you(N4G)out as the enablers that you are, so you can ban us again for trolling your article submissions. Nice to have the power be able to pick and choose who to ban. Everybody has a favorite console of choice. Developers, gamers etc. I happen to think that the 360 has been ripping people off since day one and I voice that opinion regularly. My message may have been slightly immature, or even harsh at times, to those that disagree with me. I've tried humor, but the message was meant to be sincere every time. Ok sometimes I may have went overboard. Who's feelings were hurt? Microsoft's? I highly doubt it.

In conclusion, you just keep on posting these types of articles just for hits to your site and enabling trolling, sooo...you can kiss my PS3 loving ass. Hit it N4g moderator, make this post instantly disappear. I would expect no less. Anywho..

I can see why Carmack would prefer the 360's architecture over the PS3, but it's kind of disappointing that such a prolific programmer would shy away from a difficult architecture, instead of grabbing the bull by the horns and expanding his horizons.

Looking at what these dedicated PS3 developers have been able to produce with the machine, utilizing all of it's unique features, not just the Cell (Blu Ray storage advantage, built in HDD advantage), I can't imagine why any programmer wouldn't want to dig their mitts into the PS3.

But then again, Carmack has ALWAYS been a pro Microsoft kind of guy. So was Gabe Newell. It's just preference, no need to go insane over it.

It still doesn't change the fact that RAGE's design had to change to accommodate multiple discs for the 360. What was originally a single disc, open world experience, is now a 2 disc, linear experience.

No amount of architecture preference will change the fact that us gamers are getting LESS than the developer's initial vision for RAGE.

That's even more disappointing than Carmack preferring the "easy route" due to the 360's friendlier development environment.

RAGE is looking fantastic, and I'm looking forward to it, either way, but I was really intrigued by the original, "open world Fallout meets Mad Max" concept.

This is honest,this is good.
continue as you were

I'd have liked a bit more in there...I'd have been quite interested to read as to why he prefers the 360 hardware. I think that would have been an interesting read.

Can't believe this got 4 pages LMAO (goes back to Vagrant Story).

If 'Cliff B says boo! or LOT discovers pixel difference of 9 is worthy of 4 pages,so is this.

He is just lazy, if you figure out how to use the ps3 power. It can do hella better than the 360. He does make great games, but look at Gears...the third one probably wont be much different than Gear 1.5. I prefer to play on the ps3 (I got a 360 also, RROD about 4 times), the ps3 is a big boy toy. The 360 is better for lil kids thinkin they the best when they probably look like this Carmack guy. lol

This whole arguement people bring up about the PS3 having quality over quantity stinks of N64 vs PS. Back then, PS had the quantity and all Nintendo fanboys could argue against it was the N64 was more powefull. Remember your response back then? "Playstation is easy to develope for..." e.t.c.

It's amusing to see your logic change to fit the appropriate situation.

Xbox vs Ps2 anyone?

Fable, lol. fugly game. Please don't go there.

UC1,UC2 are more open then DS2.

Love the lighting in DS2.

But graphically should have been alot better.

Not into any of the Rockstar games, never have been, never will be. Not my thing.

I've played Infamous 2 and it's actually a very decent looking game.

Nothing in both rockstar games is high detail, uses a decent lod system though.

http://www.reddeadplace.com...

Look at the wood.

It's funny how someone can say that the PS3 is the best but he prefers working on the 360 and for that to be turned into fanboys claiming he thinks the 360 is better...

I mean it's o.k. to Love that certain console I respect that..but I just hope you Really know the TRUTH about the other's & don't be biased..

because he can;t compete with a high level dev like naughty dog or GG......

What is the TRUTH about the "others"?

So because he favors it, that means it's better? Cause that makes loads of sense, let me tell you. This has to be the biggest, yet shortest flamebait article I've ever seen.

look at least i respect carmack and he can like the 360 because its easy to develop for.I can respect that. I like the ps3 just because it seems more special to me than the 360,like the exclusives more, and the on line community seems more mellow with just nicer people. Thats what really turn me off of the 360 actually the people there were always angry, racist, backwoods asshats, lol (joking but not really) anywho this console wars is just plain stupid the point is people are always going to have a fav of something and no matter how loud you yell at them they wont see things your way because they take it personally, so in the end enjoy and shut up (because no matter what ur still just wasting your time pressing buttons in front of a screen.)

The Xbox 360 is too easy LOL. If the Xbox 360 is better, then why haven't we seen a stunning Xbox 360 game? Resistance:Fall Of Man, which was a PS3 launch title(2006!), looks better than both Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Uncharted 1 beats both Gears Of War games, and UC2 absolutely smokes both of them. Keep on talking Xbox fanboys, and saying that the PS3 is "lame". I don't hate the Xbox 360(own one,bought one when it first launched), but you idiots just say that the PS3 sucks because you don't own one, or because you are blind fanboys who don't want to accept the truth.

Lol I bet all the 360 fanboys are taking this as a fact that the xbox is better when it's clearly just his personal preference. Just like Hideo Kojima seems to favor Sony a bit more.

Not really related to what he said or anything but I'm confused why everyone makes a big deal about his games? I mean sure he's a great programmer and all but I never really noticed what's so great about his games. If we're talking about graphics, well there are other games that stand out visually. If were talking about gameplay I never noticed anything that stands out that much, it's just like any other shooter. As a matter of fact there are other shooters that seem to have a higher replay value than his games.

lets see how Rage xbox version will fare against games like uncharted 2 gow3 and kz3.

Im confident Rage will be the best graphics out their on PC... but we will find out how much effort they put into a multiplatform game.

after 4+ years of "it's different,it's difficult"......would think that we can adapt.
That isn't the case,it isn't some adverse form of denial,it is that a bottleneck exists within the PS3 architecture and the average dev finds it cumbersome.
Perhaps after all this time,they are right and we are wrong.

keyword: maybe, not to mention it's his personal opinion and preference but of course the 360 fanboy's came rushing into the article. he doesn't even say the "the 360's better" just says he prefers it. the 360 fanboys overracted as usual with their trolling methods in turn this article screams of flamebait and hits.

wow, had to do a lot of bubbling down in this topic - everyone that said things along the lines of 'how many PS3 games has Carmack made?' or basically questioned his intelligence/knowledge got a disagree and bubble-down.

the man is a genius. literally. he is probably the greatest programmer the videogame world has ever seen. he doesnt just design games then 'fob' them off to his other developers, he gets right in there and programs himself.

and to all those going on about Killzone/Uncharted/God of War/Heavy Rain not being possible on the 360, especially graphically, you really have no idea what youre talking about.

Uncharted/God of War/Heavy Rain all share 1 thing in common - theyre all extremely linear, heavily scripted, have very little explorable areas, and with lots of quicktime-style events that trigger scripted animations/cutscenes. these are the type of games that couldve been done on the PS2/xbox just with worse graphics, thats why they are able to make them look a lot better than say an open world game (or even semi-open world games) - because youre hand is held through the entire game, leading you through from point a to point b to point c, never letting you just explore.

Microsoft dont have any exclusives like that. just because it doesnt have them doesnt mean it couldnt. games like Halo Reach have levels literally 10+ times the playable size of games like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 (in the latters case, probably 50x bigger), and it does it with arguably better graphics (depending on your prefered style - i prefer the high res textures, realistic lighting, HDR lighting, art style of Reach)

now i own all the big exclusives for both the PS3 and the 360. the game with the best graphics IMO? Alan Wake. 4xMSAA means theres not a single bit of aliasing to be seen anywhere in the entire game. easily the best looking lighting in a game to date (though Crysis 2s global lighting is technically more impressive, it doesnt have the dynamic-ness that Alan Wakes does due to Wake having a torch) over 70 layers of post processing gives the game world extra depth and realism. yes, the resolution of its geometry is only 960x540 or something like that, but when you play the game on a 40" tv in 720p, you couldnt tell that its not natively 720p, since there are 70+ layers of 720p native effects etc over the top of the <720p geometry.

in summary, Carmack knows what hes talking about, 99% of the N4G crowd have absolutely no idea and are just fanboys. 75% of those fanboys are PS3 fanboys, and because of that we get the comments that are in this thread.