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Microsoft Isn’t Ignoring Core Gamers with Kinect

Late last month we showed you previews for Child of Eden and The Gunstringer, two Kinect titles that Microsoft hopes will convince gamers that the device is more than just a gimmick. Microsoft isn’t content to leave it at that, though. Their Senior Producer of Interactive Entertainment Business, Kevin Unangst, spoke with CVG to emphasize the importance of more core experiences.

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BDSE5596d ago

In all fairness I'd hardly call an on rails shooter and a music based shooter 'core'. Come back when a fully fledged FPS, third person shooter or RPG are released that you can fully control with Kinect.

DelbertGrady5596d ago

Indeed. Gunstringer looks extremely Disney like. I have played a fair share of Kinect games and the only one I've enjoyed is Kinect Sports, although not enough to buy one myself.

I prefer games that use the regular controller and I love playing online. Thankfully, the third party devs are giving me more than I could ask for this year. There's lots of good looking XBLA titles as well. Still, I'd love to see more tasty core exclusives for the 360.

I don't think they will be able to steal share from Nintendo in the casuals department (which seems to be their goal) unless they somehow manage to pull off something in the realms of Mario for Kinect, which seems highly unlikely.

Yi-Long5595d ago

... but I'm pretty damn sure most 'core-gamers' will be ignoring Kinect!

And rightly so. It still doesn't really haev anything interesting at all to play. At least not interesting enough to warrant a 150 dollars purchase of Kinect.

Same goes for the Sony Move btw.

fooltheman5595d ago

killzone 3 is very good with move..And it's a full fledged fps

Lou-Cipher5595d ago

Microsoft obviously has no idea what core games mean to core gamers.

Halo/Gran Turismo/WoW would all be considered Casual if they were using Kinect as their only controls.

A core game is not CORE because it has:

1.blood/violence
2.difficulty
3.graphics ect ect

A core game is considered Core when hardcore gamers are willing to invest many hours a day/week into playing that game.

If I have to stop for a break every 30 minutes so I can catch my breath due to jumping/swinging arms and legs ect, then how on earth can you claim any full body motion game to be hardcore?

The definition of a Casual gamer is this. A GAMER WHO PlAYS GAMES CASUALLY. (Meaning a gamer who logs only a few hours a week/month)

The definition of a hardcore gamer is a gamer who is willing to spend a big chunk of his or her time playing video games.

Halo/Gears/Forza are considered core because, hardcore gamers can sit on their @ss playing for hours at a time. 99% of gamers aren't going to have a 10 hour gaming session with any full bodied motion game.

B1663r5595d ago

Lou-Cipher

So the dance games are obviously core games, because people play those games for hours on end and are willing to devote massive amounts of time to being able to pass expert levels.

Same with exercise games.

That the people who play dance or exercise games are in better aerobic condition than you has no bearing on them being casual or hardcore games.

Yes, people do like to play exercise and dance games, and they play them several times a week, and devote the hours that you require for them to be considered core games.

Just deal with it...

Also, I have witnessed in my office here at work people playing solitare for hours on end, does that mean solitare is a core game? By your definition, I think so.

NewMonday5595d ago

Pleas Ignor core gamers with Kinect and just give us core games

Lou-Cipher5595d ago (Edited 5595d ago )

Yes, you can play dance games, and even solitaire for many hours at a time, but the reason they are considered Casual is the fact that the majority of gamers can only last 30min-1hour before they break for something else.

How long can you dance until you pass out. Im pretty healthy, but I know I couldn't dance for 6+ hours without a break.

Most gamers dont play full bodied motion games for more than 30min-1hour, and that is why games like Dance Central/Wii Sports/Eye Pet are considered casual. It's not because you cant shoot anything, or because it doesn't have an insane hard mode, it is because that is GENERALLY how people play those types of games.

Think about what the word CASUAL actually means.

B1663r5595d ago

Lou-Cipher,

Over the last year I have been doing the Game con circuit in the mid-west. Everything tells me that these are the core gamers you are talking about. They play videogames, they cosplay, and a lot of them are insanely good at stomping on buttons games, and more recently Dance Central.

Dance games are not casual, no matter how many times you try to claim otherwise.

Lou-Cipher5595d ago (Edited 5595d ago )

Dance games are casual, because the MAJORITY of people do not play those types of video games for more than 30 minutes at a time. (aka being a casual gamer / being casual about gaming / casually playing games)

If I made a scary movie, and 99 out of 100 people didn't get scared even once while watching it through it's entirety, could I realy claim it to be a scary movie? The answer is NO.

I could play Kinectimals for 24 hours strait, but it GENERALLY isn't played that way, and for that simple reason, Kinectimals is a casual game, just like any other game that is designed for 15 minute bursts of fun.

ComboBreaker5595d ago (Edited 5595d ago )

saying one thing, but actually doing another thing.

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DeepInterludium5596d ago

I also wouldn't give credit to Microsoft for 3rd party games.

FailOverHero5596d ago

I dunno microsoft, I feel pretty ignored to tell you the truth. Kinda feels like you struck oil and now to hell with the rest of us that bought your console 4 years ago

EVILDEAD3605595d ago (Edited 5595d ago )

'In all fairness I'd hardly call an on rails shooter and a music based shooter 'core'. Come back when a fully fledged FPS, third person shooter or RPG are released that you can fully control with Kinect.'

For the billionth time..Kinect does not need an FPS at all...

The Xbox controller is simply the best out there for shooter. Why tack on silly FPS controls just to say you can?

360 Core gamers already log countless hours Halo Reach, Call of Duty: Black Ops, etc. and 2010 is filled with a dozen shooters..NONE need Kinect.

There may end being hybrid games including RPGs that use Kinect. But, no one is going to play 40 -60 hours playing an RPG that strictly relies on Kinect.

The rumor is there will be a Fable game that uses the MILO tech. Kinect would be a blast interacting with NPC characters in RPGs..but no one knows whats out there.

LOL @ people trying to hate on Child of Eden now because it's not a FPS..funny how one-dimensional gamers become when they are tryimh to look down on another console.

Bottomline, Steel Batallion is as core as it gets for Xbox fans of the original. I think Kinect will be a perfect vessel to play the Mech game without having to use a 100-button add-on

Forza 4, Project Draco..all Core game experiences

The question is how they all come together..

All eyes will be on E3..what's telling is Micrsoft understands the criticism and if they address it in spades..Kinect will have anoth huge holiday.

Evil

BDSE5595d ago

Who's looking down on the 360? I love my 360. I just think Kinect is wasted on games consoles and outside of party games and mild usage is a bit of a blind alley for people wanting a bit more meat to the games they play.

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hellzsupernova5596d ago

hey microsoft we know when were being ignored and ONE core title this year says were being ignored!

FailOverHero5595d ago

I agreed. But it's TWO core titles. Lets not forget the sequel to the highest rated racing game this gen is releasing this year as well. I'm more excited for Forza 4 than I am for Gears 3

hellzsupernova5595d ago

this is true. and i do love forza 3. its the only game i still play on my 360

Masterchef20075596d ago (Edited 5596d ago )

No of course not. They want core gamers to game with Kinect. Because Kinect is micrsofts new money making machine.

peeps5596d ago

So I guess we don't use the original source article on N4G anymore? even though it was provided in this article?

And although Child of Eden looks cool I'm certainly not spending over £100 on a device so I can play it.

mcstorm5596d ago

I Hope they do bring something out to wow us core gamers. I have Kinect and think the games that are out for it are very fun to play but you need 2 people to really enjoy it and because there is alot of movement we only tend to last an hour or so on it.

You have to give it to MS they may not have many core games coming out at the moment but the sales of Kinect and the 360 are doing very well.

Bring on E3 and lets hope MS give us gamers what we have been asking for as well as the best Gears and Forza yet.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai64d ago (Edited 64d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio64d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing63d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9263d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit63d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing63d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9263d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay65d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn266d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers66d ago (Edited 66d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn265d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown66d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos66d ago (Edited 66d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay65d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay65d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac65d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger66d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300066d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde66d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood66d ago (Edited 66d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde65d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7567d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_65d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.