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CaptainPunch5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

Don't get too ahead of yourself Microsoft.

Shaman5585d ago

If they start with research now you can expect new Xbox ~2 years from now so you probably won't see 360 getting dumped like last time with xbox.

NYC_Gamer5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

^^^agree,this is just planing ahead of the competition.the 360 wont be dumped because the install base is too huge.plus it wouldnt make sense financial wise.

morganfell5585d ago

Really? Do you not remember what MS said last time:

http://www.cnet.com.au/xbox...

Mystogan5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

I believe it will be announced at next year's E3 and released 2013.

And its kind-off a Coincidence that this comes after Epic's Epic Tech Demo of Epic next-gen graphics.

Perhaps they are working together again.
Epic told Microsoft to increase RAM for the 360.

http://www.1up.com/news/epi...

They really have an Amazing Relationship even though Epic is a 3rd Party studio.

Epic Practically saved the Xbox 360

darthv725585d ago

would it really be epic or the unreal engine 3? Epic themselves have contributed only a few games out of the 360's long list of UE3 based games. They definitely had a hand in setting up what would be the 360's best (most used) graphics engine.

Doubling if not quadrupling the amount of system RAM is a given for the next box. Perhaps even going so far as to use dual quad core cpu/gpu. That way the chips can both do processor intensive and graphics either in tandem or alternately.

AMD/ATI has been working on their multipurpose chips for years. Seems only fitting MS turn to AMD again for the brains and brawn of the next gen. The basis will at the very least be DX12 and ATI (i think) has already shown some heavy gfx power.

No Way5585d ago

We all know you do, Morganfell, we all know you do..

Rainstorm815585d ago

@morgan fell

De' Nile isn't just a river in Egypt, you know......So i assume thats how you get so many disagrees after presenting facts.

It may not happen with the 360 though, far larger user base.

Anon19745584d ago

A new Xbox worries me. While the Xbox 360 did better than the original Xbox abroad, the 360 was still consumers 3rd choice worldwide since it's had any competition - and now I worry that Microsoft may be blinded by Kinect/Casual money. One thing Nintendo proved this go around is you don't have to have the most powerful hardware. If you rope in the casual's you can easily make a cheaper console and make a tonne of money.

That's what worries me, that the next 360 won't be some gaming powerhouse but might be a cheaper, casual themed console aimed directly at the Wii audience. I don't think there's a current 360 owner out there that wants to see that - but from a business perspective that makes all kinds of sense for MS, especially if they can get it out before another Wii releases.

Everyone expects the new Xbox to push out games like high end PC's but I can't say that'd be practicable for Microsoft from a business perspective. I mean who knows if they're even going to break even with the 360 before they retire it. They still have a ways to go before that happens (not that the PS3 is any better in that respect).

My concern is that Microsoft may be blinded by Kinect money and leave it's core gamers out in the cold. Personally, I want to see a new Xbox that pushes hardware limits, but Microsoft's Shane Kim had already commented in the past that the next Xbox might be a cheaper, digital distribution type hub. And given that XBL has been their main cash cow - could a subscription based Xbox be that far off?

We live in uncertain times as gamers. Facebook games, mobile games, casual games taking over...who know's what the next gen is going to look like.

Kurt Russell5584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

They did dump the last xbox, but I wouldn't give a shit. If a new one is released I'll buy it... like I have done since the ZX spectrum. Then the old one will gather dust until it is deposited into the attic of my house to be forgotten.

Then I'll log onto a mediocre news site full of losers and nerds and argue how my new xbox is better than the other hypothetical consoles of the future.

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vsr5585d ago

Good News! and If they discontinue xbox360, All the 3rd party games will be turned as PS3 exclusive.

awi59515584d ago

i hate people that say microsoft dumped the xbox. Nividia and Intel screwed microsoft over so they had to drop it. Intel and nividia charged microsoft the same price for parts over the whole lifetime of the xbox. Even though the cpu and gpu were only worth about 20 bucks each those greedy suckers kept charging microsoft like 100 bucks for them. And Intel and nividia wonders why microsoft wont work with them for the new parts in the 360 and this new system. Oh and the hard drive makers burned them as well.

Its like the US housing market why would you want to pay high payments on a house that was worth 1mill but its now only worth 400k. But your still paying the 1mill mortgage every month.Eventually you have to let the house go and thats what microsoft did.

Otheros005584d ago

@awi
It's part of the contract. M$ pays a certain amount for a certain part. Even if the cost of the parts went down they still have to pay the amount that is on the contract.

Example:
You rent a $1mil house and pay $2000 month as part of your contract. A few years later that house is worth $500,000. You still have to pay $2000 rent because you signed a contract.

awi59515584d ago

@Otheros00

Yeah but microsoft was new to the console market and they thought they would cut them a deal. They did want to own the rights to the parts but they refused sony and nintendo has simular deals but they could drop price with the cost of parts. I guess these two took advantage of microsoft and they got burned. Thats why with the 360 they made sure not to make the same mistake and thats why they went with amd and ati because they let microsoft own the parts so they could drop price.

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ChristianGamer5585d ago

So they've only just started?? This is good news. I would like at least two more years with my current machine

gypsygib5585d ago

Release it ASAP. Battlefield 3 has made my games look significantly worse.

JsonHenry5585d ago

My guess is what is considered "top end" for today's PC will be what the next gen console from MS will be. Except I am betting it will only have about 3gigs of system RAM instead of 4+ which the PC would need to handle the overheard of the OS.

AND it will release Holiday 2012.

prettyboy15584d ago

dude your name is very misleading and disturbing at the same time...CONGRAULATIONS! YOU WIN THE FANBOY OF THE YEAR AWARD!!!

RatherHavaBigGirl5584d ago

"dude your name is very misleading and disturbing at the same time...CONGRAULATIONS! YOU WIN THE FANBOY OF THE YEAR AWARD!!!"

i only own a ps3. its disturbing cause YOU are the fanboy

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Relientk775585d ago

If it is shaped like an X like in the picture that would be really interesting but I really doubt they would do that, they really should try something cool with a X tho, in the design, the 360 didnt really do that. I mean it is called Xbox.

Aibo5584d ago

That picture is one of the first images from the time when first xbox was planed, about 10 years ago... it was someones blind guess, it doesn't mean anything.

Mista T5585d ago

sweet, it's time for new consoles

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Elven65585d ago

I think we can get at least two years out of current generation consoles before a successor is on the horizon.

Kinda weird being at this stage though knowing just a few years ago quite a few people were saying we'd start seeing new consoles around 2012!

saladthieves5585d ago

Hopefully they can take the time to design it this time and not have to make people like me go through 4 Xbox 360s in just 5 freaking years.

While they are at it, at least have ideas on working on some 1st party studios and make sure they remain commitment to them. So far most the exclusive in house studios that Microsoft launched with the Xbox 360 are long dead and buried because they decided to 'pull out'.

kaveti66165585d ago

Were you like a major xbox fanboy at some point? I can't imagine anyone putting themselves through that.

B1663r5585d ago

I'm on my third xbox in 5 years, and the drama has been minor.

First one received for my birthday. played with over the evening, it was red ringed in the morning, took it back to best buy next day, they replaced it no questions asked.

That one lasted a year and some months... about 6 months after the warranty extension, called max, had a new xbox about 3 weeks later, no questions asked.

Got a xbox 360 slim this xmas.

You make it sound like it was some huge hassle, and it really wasn't....

saladthieves5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

No not at all. 2 of them (which broke down) were given as gifts, and the other two (1st one and 3rd one) I bought for myself 1 in 2006 and another in 2009.

Through all this, I went through only one PS3 (60GB Model) and roughly 10 days ago, it died on me, and I got a 160 GB slim with a 1TB HDD about 3 days ago.

If it weren't for the 2 360s that were given as gifts, I would never even have bought another 360. I do most of my gaming on the PS3 anyway.

Gamer_Z5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

Its about freaking time!!!

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai53d ago (Edited 53d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio52d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing52d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9252d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit52d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing52d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9252d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay54d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn255d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers55d ago (Edited 55d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn254d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown55d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos55d ago (Edited 55d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay54d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay54d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac54d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger55d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300055d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde55d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood55d ago (Edited 55d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde54d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7556d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_54d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.