FailOverHero, you know that includes you.

Sony can go to hell. He bought the hardware, he can do whatever he wants to it. It's really really SAD that sheeple have to defend a corporation, and that they allow their "consumer rights" be violated by pathetic multimillion dollar companies.

It's like these "hackers" really say "Sony, look at me!"

"Sony 'can got to hell' and he will fight until the 'last min' of his life..."

How about just not break the law? Is it really that difficult to NOT do something? There's so much in the world to get worked up about, there's so many good causes. Hacking some piece of tech so losers can steal credit card numbers and ruin online gaming for people isn't something worth "fighting to the last min bla bla blah".

Psxscene called it bs again.

From a hacker there

"1) This isn't the same exploit as the one Mathieulh tweeted about. Not even by a long shot.
2) This won't do shit, resetting the CPU and leaving RAM uncleared won't help you at allif you can't run your own code at CPU power-on (hint: you can't).
3) This isn't related to geohot's RAM glitch.
4) How can you think someone who mixes up milliseconds and nanoseconds is some super leet hacker?
5) Jesus people, get a fricking clue. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it'll be OMG SO USEFUL and result in a CFW letting you play your ISOs again.I know I sound like a huge dickwad but I also know coating my message in sugar and marshmallows doesn't exactly help bring the point across."

A couple pages later, locked by mod there.

"Yet another thread full of bullshit, flaming, whining and all that typical nastiness that comes with it. Locked."

http://psx-scene.com/forums...

You can do whatever the hell you want to your own system ALONE, as long as it's not used in a public manner and getting involved with other systems online. That's fine.

But when it leads to security risks involving personal information, making a profit and pirating(except for games not longer in the market). Then no.

Darkride66

God, I have to remember that I am on a site that swarms of console users. Here darkride66 starts flapping that “Hacking” is all about stealing credit card info, ruining online gaming and other catastrophic events. What a Drama Queen.

Listen folks, for all you obviously uneducated drama queens, most hacks are for increasing functionality or performance out of hardware. You obviously have little “real world” experience with hacks, drop the controller and pick up a keyboard and educate yourself. Are there hacks that can be "Bad", sure, but most aren't.

While your at it, examine how little rights you have over that piece of hardware that you bought, and grab some kahoonies and fight for you consumer rights.

@Agent VX

It's okay that he doesn't like Sony. But why did he buy the PS3 then? I don't like MS products and I'm not buying the 360 or Windows. It's that simple.

Either he wants to harm Sony out of hate (he doesn't do it for profit) or he wants publicity kind of why people go on Jerry Springer no matter what consequences are.

"Pal, why don't you save yourself the problems you might endure when Sony takes you to court and buries you in legal fees."

So that's all you have to do in order to win a case, is it? You don't have to prove that your correct in how you view the law. Don't have to prove that the law is something that favors your side of things. Oh no! That would be too difficult to do. All you really have to do is to make sure the other guy doesn't have the money to fight you (even if he's correct), and you will win, regardless of if you deserved to or not.

Wow, we must all be on the wrong path to getting rich if that is all you really have to do.

EDIT@disagree(s): Wow! Just...WOW!

Now those PS3 is doomed quotes are becoming legitimate

It's true. You can do whatever you want to your hardware. You can't do whatever you want with software. So, if a hardware "tweak" turns into something that needs to be coupled with a software "tweak", then you just might be in violation.

If you know you're going down, you might aswell go down singing!

Sorry, I don't think people like him are scared. Sony can sue the living crap out of him and force him to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages and mental anguish... and all that he has to do is declare bankruptcy.

@ chrisw

Learn law. You can't declare bankruptcy to get out of a civil lawsuit. If you could then anytime someone sued someone else, they'd just file a chapt13 and walk.

bubbles funny lmfao

lol yea if i had these abilities i would be applying for jobs
but i guess he got a rich family and would rather be a tough guy hacker on the internet ... and life goes on

You know what is more sad? That immature brat bring their fanboyism into the debate. So much hate that they even forgotten themselves being a gamer. They have no pride.

@agent VX

You can't do anything you like with the hardware, you buy a license to give you the privilege of using said hardware.

That license doesn't allow you to hack the hardware.

As you haven't paid for any of the R&D costs plus all the use of patents you'd also need to buy licenses for so you can do stuff with that hardware.

Nothing is free, it all costs some money and the poor people are the ones who can't really afford all this stuff so steal it, miss use it, etc.

also about the account data being stolen already started to happen with some users saying some CFW leaks account details that allow it to be picked up by people.

So while you might not be after that info you can be well sure that some russain mafia group will be loving this as they can just pretend to be some "hacker" and release a CFW for the PS3 that does leak out the info or because a backdoor for the rest of the home network as you can request data from PCs via the DLNA network.

Many people end up screwed over by this sort of stuff 24/7 as other people want to steal your money instead of your games or the other useless crap you use your PS3 or PC.

Then at the end of the day, whats the real point of all this hacking stuff because it hasn't ever been much about installing Linux really as you could do that before hand.

Zag

Get your head out of your butt... What on earth are you talking about “R&D” costs???

Every single thing in WalMart has “R&D” costs. Even that crap that eats your warts have “R&D” costs...

That is business; you develop something and sell it. After you sell your “wart cream”, the consumer “OWNS IT”... If the consumer wants to add it to his cereal, he can. Once the item is sold to the consumer, the “CONSUMER OWNS IT!!!” PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!

Your doomsday scenario about hacking is plain and simple “B.S”. As I mentioned before, the “VAST” majority of hacks are to increase performance or functionality of the device. You “OWN” what you bought, regardless of what “ILLEGAL” laws that corporations have bought from the politicians and judges. EG... Just because people drive drunk, do you ban all alcohol and cars???

Your arrogance of living in the pinnacle of human existence where all laws and social norms are balanced are severely twisted. Corporate laws are there to protect the few. Take for instance; there are 400 Americans that have more wealth than half of all Americans (150 million people). Point is, law is far from “Fair & Balanced”.

Give me a freaken break, how on earth “YOU” or some corporation can impose on somebody that you can’t do what you want to something you bought is completely “Total Control” of the individual. If you even listen to what you are saying is sooooo controlling, let government completely control what and how you live your life.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

Learn those words...

@SuicideBlues,

You can preemptively file bankruptcy and walk away as long as the lawsuit hasn't been filed yet. However, you need reasons non-related to the ensuing lawsuit to do so.

Yes, you CAN do whatever you want with the hardware you buy. Let me give you an example.

HARDWARE SCENARIO:
I buy an old projection television. I bring the television home. I set it on a stand. I take a screwdriver and open the back panel. I make some adjustments to the hardware orientation. The picture is better. I teach other people how to do the same. They do it. People are a little upset that the TV wasn't just shipped this way. The TV manufacturer finds out. They explain that the hardware wasn't shipped that way because it makes it easier to see scrambled cable channels. The TV company gets angry. They tell people that they can't modify the product. They go to the Supreme Court. The court rules that people who buy a product own the product purchased.

SOFTWARE SCENARIO:
I buy Findows 9 because it has a cool movie editor packaged with it. I'm really into editing my own movies, so I think it's a great value. I get the latest OS AND the latest movie maker. Sweet. Two months later, Findows 9 asks me to update to the latest "secure" version. It gives me the option to read about the update, but I don't. I just accept the terms by automatically clicking "okay". The update gets installed. I reboot. When the OS resumes, I find that my movie editor is gone! Holy crap, what happened? It turns out the update was there to remove the movie editor because people were using it to pirate movies. There was no way to patch the editor, so they had to remove it altogether. Now, I'm angry. There's no way for me to go back to an older OS and still be getting all the latest updates. To keep my version current, I have to accept all updates. I call my lawyer. He tells me that the version of software I bought is the version I own. It is NOT, however, always going to be the latest version.

Do you see the difference between scenarios? Hardware doesn't change over time. When you buy a 1080p TV, it's going to be 1080p until it breaks. The problem people are having is that the PS3 is such a well blended piece of hardware AND software. Sony doesn't have to keep PSN backward compatible. That means that you must have the latest version of the OS in order to use PSN. That's how they encourage updates. They have a right to do this. They aren't violating your rights. What you own is the hardware and its original software.

Can you hack the OS, repackage and distribute it? Let me ask this question in another way. Can you take the PS3, file off the PS3 emblems and logos and add some that say, "h4ckSTATION" instead? No, you can't. That's patent infringement. That's why Sony is in trouble over BluRay tech. They are accused of repackaging someone else's tech and calling it their own. You can't do that. You can't do it with hardware, and you can't do it with software. You can make the hardware you own better, but you can't modify and distribute software as your means of doing it.

Whew...my fingertips are tired.

Look out MANDATORY update coming soon to a ps3 near you!!!

"You must be young kids. I am not old by any means but I am old enough to know life is WAY too short. Before you kids know it you will be past your prime. Blink again and you are old. You will see in due time. Don't say I didn't warn you."

Nycredude, ur making this WAAAY too easy for me. You say "life is too short", yet what the hell are you doing having verbal arguments with "kids" on a gaming news site about the intricasies life?

Your PROVING my point to a tee. ALL of us can be doing something more productive with the time we "waste" on N4G, yet we chose not to. Why? Because we ENJOY commenting here and we ENJOY having discussions about gaming.

Yet, all of a sudden, by YOUR logic..a person who ENJOYS modifying their console doesn't have a life because they can do "better' things with their skills?

I think if u try to understand what I'm saying, ull get it.

"So you are saying that stealing is more productive than people taking a stand for what they feel is right in a discussion?"

HA! I knew that one was coming.

1. Real mature with the insult(logicless) I'm definetly going to take your comment seriously /s

2. Nycredude, said that people who hack electronics in GENERAL have no lives. The fact whether its legal or not isn't a factor to him. According to nycredude, both legal AND illegal hacking constitutes not having a life because those skills could be put to better use.

THAT was the argument. The "stealing"/illegal factor is irrelevent to the argument. The argument here is whether or not a person who regularly comments on N4G has MORE of a life than a hacker who hacks illegally OR legally.

@ Logicless:

So you are saying that stealing is more productive than people taking a stand for what they feel is right in a discussion? Sure we could all be more productive, but it's not up to you to judge who is productive and who is not. For all we know some guy here "complaining" could be sitting at work waiting on test results that may cure cancer. Either way a hacker is less than "productive" since they are stealing which in the end will raise the cost of video games for honest, hard working, "productive" people.

Lol @7,452 comments. Sorry baka but he's right and pretty much owned you on that

"Main point: EVERYONE here is capable of doing things that are more productive...yet we don't. And still, you find it okay to point the finger at other people. Your being a hypocrite."

How the **** is stealing and damaging companies the same as sitting at home complaining on the net?

Thing is I'm putting my skills to use in our armed forces. Why can't people like this guy do the same instead of needlessly going after large corporations? He can use his abilities all to his liking if he wants.

Logic try to use some of your own nick name. I have a life I have a real job and a family. I comment here because I have a hobby and I love to game and have been doing it for many many years. Commenting on N4g requires skills a freaking baby has so all I am wasting is my time! I am not wasting my skills cause I still work and make good money doing it.

I don't have anything against tinkering with your machine that you pay for but when you release your findings to the public and then shout out loud that Sony can go to hell? Come on that directly affects my hobby and millions of other people's hobby.

"With great power comes great responsibility"

"Either way a hacker is less than "productive" since they are stealing which in the end will raise the cost of video games for honest, hard working, "productive" people."

And ONCE again you prove your ignorance? Who told you that ALL hackers steal???

Since, it seems like you have trouble reading, this was Nycredude's first comment.

"These people really need to get out more and get a life. Maybe put that skill to real use in the real world that will yield real results instead of wasting it away hacking electronics for what?"

Nycredudes basically saying that hacking electronics(LEGAL or ILLEGAL) constitutes having no life. Now, do you believe you have the right to say that a person who LEGALLY hacks their console has less of a life than a regular N4G commenter?

What are you, elitist or something?

***@Baka-akaB- Uve commented here 7,452 times. With all due respect, I'm not sure your the right person to be answering my question. ***

1. Comments like this from a 26d old account, let alone no proof this isn't just an alt account, come across as fairly trollish.

2. 7 posts a day in @baka-akab's life isn't a sign of them not doing something with their life other than taking time to discuss what they really enjoy, which are games. You see, just saying 7,452 comments doesn't reflect the fact that @baka-akab has been here for 3 years compared to your 26d.

***I could make the same argument for you. Nycredude, u seem like a very eloquent and educated person by your comments, yet you spend your time writing comments on N4G? ***

What sort of argument is that? You do know that posting a comment here doesn't equate to useless life, right? Does a person who is working on the cure for cancer never take time for his family and personal wants/desires? Does the President of the U.S. not take time to play some b-ball?

Posting here isn't a sign of a wasteful life, only a sign of the person's interests.

seriously you need to wonders wich worse between comments and a hobby that harms even indirectely some people's jobs ?

I'm sure between my job and my comment history , it's less a waste of talent and time than hacking a ps3 . It's still the same for kids still at school around here mind you .

Heck i dont have the luxury of skills to waste . They do .

you've been @ N4G 26 days and are already trying to d*ckslap ppl in the face & chastise them?

that logic does not win buddy.

I find it both funny and sad that people disagree with me being in our armed forces. N4G has a trolling issue going on.

LOL since when is this an exploit? You can't do shit with it.

I guess these hackers fap even to the slightest PS3 scene news.

Bottom line is, you got your PS3 hacked, you got pirated games. Why the f*ck do you still jizz in your pants for new "exploits"?