hot hot ..bring more

Its like saying a P4 is better than an AMD because it has a higher clock speed.
And we all know that isnt true!

So lets wait and see!

PS. Dont get your hopes up!!!

Gears of what?..........hahahahahaha

how do u know GOW is more exciting than UT2007.. or even Quake Wars?? have u played any of them?? have ya?? have ya?? so u havent.. so plz get back to ur toilet seat n keep ur finger on ur nose n pick it until ur mama call u for dinner...

First off you @$$hole, gears of war is being dev by epic! Cliffy B has worked on unreal titles in the past with the rest of the dev`s there!! This time around, cliffy B has turned all of his focus to Gears Of War!!! So talk what you know BIG MOUTH!!!

Make no doubt about it, this game will come to the XBOX 360!!! Just not in the same window as GEARS OF WAR "OR" HALO 3!!!

Could you paste the link that you were talking about.....

"READ THE PENDING NEWS... with the KILLZONE 2 PIC."

It's no longer there, and I never got a chance to read it.

Thanks in advance.

or if any one else has the link, thanks.

i didnt get the link too.. the news isnt there anymore.. link plz.. thx..

http://forums.modojo.com/sh...

New info on Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, Lair, you name it. Even on the advanced audio system that Resistance uses to simulate real-world distortion, the visual difference that blu-ray makes, etc. It's good read.

Again, I really don't like FPS, but I have to say that this and Restistence look fantastic. Still, if I had to pick, I would probably choose GoW just beacause it's third person.

What's so amazing about this? It looks like every other UT game with better textures and a really good looking sky, this game has always had the latest graphics and this doesn't surprise me one bit, it looks like every other UT game just updated visuals like usual. I know this will cause alot of you to flame, but I personally like GOW's atmosphere much more, because it's like a war torn world with alot more detail and textures than you will ever see in any Quake, UT, or any other PC FPS game... which is usually just a bunch of long corridors and a few open rooms

Wow, so much to cover - where do I even start? I'll just have to be careful here as there's certain things that aren't supposed to be revealed until the TGS.

Note: This post is by no means unbiased. I make no warranty that what I have to say will not piss you off – especially if you’re a one-company fanboy whore. I’ll answer questions and I'll share what I know… but I’m not going to argue with the retards lurking in the Games forum shadows… especially when I am way more informed than you are*. Believe that or not (it's a fact), I don’t give a flying **** what some pimple faced punk in the digital jungle thinks. This is a favor for those who appreciate it. Hence, if you do not appreciate inside information, then do us all a favor and **** off.

Now that that’s out of the way…

Lets start with the bad news - the launch lineup is shrinking. Originally, the list was 30 titles (1st and 3rd party). Currently, the list is about 15 titles (can’t get more specific because at this stage it literally changes by the hour). There is an up-side, however. The extra development time is making a world of difference. Some of you saw Heavenly Sword at E3 and it looked pretty good... that is, it looked like your typical 360 game. The team has been hard at work piling on layers and layers of detail and as of right now, it looks like ****ing Advent Children (you thought Metal Gear looked good? You gotta see this). It's also being given a God of War type violence upgrade, since they found out the graphical realism and brutality of the combat (bloodless though it was) was getting it a Mature anyway. Seriously, it will blow your mother****ing mind (although it’s sad that having really awesome graphics influences the ESRB ratings these days). The current release target is March.

Killzone 2 - This one has been MIA since last years E3. It is still in development and it is, unequivocally, the PS3s big "secret weapon." Announcements are being held back until closer to the PS3 launch as it's going to generate a monumental amount of buzz. It's one of those things that I can't get into too much detail about. However, it looks exactly like the video. Yeah. That video.

LAIR - This won't be out until next summer at the earliest, but this one is also abso****inglutely incredible. Missions basically involve unscripted AI-driven massive scale battles (we're talking Helms Deep here) and you control a single dragon and rider. The game is essentially playing an RTS with itself and it's up to you to influence the tide of the battles. This is also very dark and mature.

More bad news, these titles are all now Q1 '07 releases or later. Resistance: Fall of Man is being primed as the killer ap launch title. Some of you are sure to go nuts for it as it's like a crossbreed between Half Life 2 & Call of Duty. Personally, I ****ing hate both those games so I was not terribly impressed with the single player. Now multiplayer is a whole different beast, because the weapons are strange as ****. For example, there's this energy-burst weapon that just passes through solid matter. Almost everything in the environments is destructible as well and has physical properties. Hence, certain materials will offer better protection than others. Multiplayer is the big focus of R:FoM anyway, with half a dozen game types and support for up to 40 players.

Someone asked about sound in the other thread - and while specific technical details were not divulged, the sound in Resistance was discussed at length. Resistance has fully simulated sound waves. The system actually checks distances, atmospheric density, wind, what materials the sound is bouncing off and passing through, etc, and modifies the base sound accordingly. Hence, every sound travels through space in real time and distorts just as it does in the real world. There is also support for 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 sound setups... so however they are doing it, it borders on overkill.

This brings me to BluRay, a controversial topic on this forum as of late. Remember when I was talking about the 360s disc capacity and how it ****ed up Oblivion? Some of you will remember, because I got flamed pretty hard for that (OMG it still looks great, the PC version is the same, waa waa, don’t criticizes my console). The Xbox totally ****ed up Oblivion, you can look at the textures and tell where Bethesda cut corners to make it fit on the disc.

As a quick side note, Bethesda is working on a special edition of Oblivion just for PS3. We were shown some screenshots (sadly, not the actual game) and it looks like an entirely different game. Every texture is being replaced with new extremely-high resolution ones. It’s basically what Bethesda wanted to do the first time until they ran into the DVDs capacity limit. BluRay fixes that little bottleneck.

Those DVDs you love so much, they’re the reason PS3 games are going to ****ing destroy anything available on the 360. 85% of the games currently in development for PS3 will not fit on a single DVD9. To give you an idea of the implications, Resistance: Fall of Man is currently 20GB, and is expected to ship at around 35GB. Publishers are not being forced to use BDs, but it’s expected that 95% of all PS3 games will use BD discs. The big exception is EA, who uniformly develops for the lowest common denominator. Sony is dedicated to helping companies develop for the superior PS3 then downgrade for the weaker systems. The fruits of this labor won’t be seen for another year at least.

There was a demo, side by side, of an upcoming sports game (can't tell you which one). One was playing on 360 (DVD9) connected to an HDTV running at 720P. The same game was running on a PS3 (BD50) on an identical HDTV at 720P. The differences were unbelievable, simply because the BD has the space to hold all those extremely high resolution textures. The 360 could probably handle them, but they just plain won't fit on the disc. This is just one example of how storage capacity is hurting the 360. Of the parade of developers that spoke to us, the BDs capacity was the number one item of praise. No more having to cut corners or find creative ways to make your game fit on the disc. DVDs are just plain obsolete when you're talking about High-Definition hyper-detailed 3D environments.

On a similar note, those of you rooting for HD-DVD as the High-Def standard might want to start selling your stuff while it’s worth something. The format war was basically decided before it even reached store shelves. 80% of the major manufacturing plants have already adopted Blu-Ray. There’s also the small matter of Sony owning, directly or indirectly, nearly half of the movie industry. I could go into more detail, but I’m getting a little off-topic. The point is, Blu-Ray is here to stay and it’s not going anywhere. HD-DVD, having considerably less support at retail and among manufacturers and movie studios, is ****ed. Also, when it comes to the end-user, the Blu-Ray capabilities of the PS3 are going to be very very heavily advertised. Not only will the PS3 ensure that Blu-Ray is the most widely owned HD player in the world, but Sony is going to make sure that people know it and use it.

Go ahead and throw your tantrums if you want, it won’t change a thing. It’s just plain out of your hands. If you were rooting for the inferior technology – well, oops.

Concerning BD movie costs, they’ve been available for several months now and the average price is $20-$30. Amazon.com is your friend.

Ok, onto the multiplayer. Sony is going all out here. Actually, the entire philosophy behind the PS3s development is “no holding back.” You may whine about the price, you may whine about the features (and those of you that do that regularly really look like huge tards, btw. You know who you are) but Sony really wanted to deliver a system with every cool feature they could think of. Furthermore, they want to deliver a system that will survive another decade. MS may release a new Xbox every couple years, but Playstation owners know that their system isn’t going to be obsolete any time soon. Anyhoo, the online service is absolutely, positively, 100% free… no tiers, no subscription. It’s like having Xbox Live Gold, but you don’t have to pay for it. Some of the features include: multiple online IDs (not just one gamertag), friends lists, rankings and skill-based auto-matchmaking, full online profiles, EyeToy and EyeToy HD integration (photo profiles, possibly video chat).

There is a full featured web browser and the PS3 will have native Keyboard and Mouse support, although Sony will not be making any 1st party Mice or Keyboards for the system. As for using those peripherals in games, it’s entirely up to the developers but Sony is not disallowing it. Still, they would prefer developers make use of the motion sensitive controller instead.

As a side note, the controller motion capabilities are extremely sensitive and accurate. Playing LAIR and WarHawk with it just seemed way more accurate and natural than analogue sticks alone – plus it frees up the analogues for other functionality. You’ll see what I mean when you get a taste of LAIR. It’s ****ing incredible.

In terms of 3rd party support, more than 10,000 SDKs have been shipped and more than 350 confirmed titles in active development. Production of the console itself is proceeding right on target. Reports of cell yields and HDMI 1.3 available have absolutely no impact on the production process. The cell has naturally lower yields due to the fact that it’s a new and more powerful technology. The yields were of the Cell were known far in advance of active production. As some of you know, wafers are rated. Only the best make it into the PS3, the others are sorted for other less demanding uses.

The PS3 is shipping with all 8 cores enabled (1PPE + 7 SPEs). Reports of SPEs “dying” are just plain rubbish.

3rd party developers (EA, UbiSoft) have already announced their pricing schemes for next-gen games. PS3 games will generally cost the same as Xbox 360 titles. The $10 hike in price across the board is meant to cover additional production costs resulting from the need to produce higher quality HD-quality assets. Better graphics means higher production costs.

North America will be getting approximately 700,000 of the first 2 million units. For comparison, the 360 shipped 400,000 units in NA followed by a 5-month complete production shutdown. There will be a second major shipment before Christmas, with an equal number of units (1.4m in NA before Christmas). As of right now, the balance between 20GB and 60GB versions has not been decided. Since both SKUs will be produced at the same plants using the same materials, production can be shifted as needed. It’s most likely that the 60GB version will be the most “common”, however.

The 20GB version is indeed capable of 1080p via component. The only holdup is that there is currently no TVs on the market that support 1080p via component. It’s purely an issue of support from TV manufacturers.

For the uninformed, the difference between the two models (other than HDD size) is that the 60GB has the following additional features: 802.11g Wireless Networking, Flash card reader (CF, SD, MSP), HDMI (v1.3).

Ok, so onto some PSP news…
The GPS is currently on hold. Bummer, I know. PSP has outsold DS and DS Lite by 1.2m units. The PSOne emulator will be attached to an October firmware update. The online store for PSP and PS3 will launch soon thereafter (before November 11). A new PSP entertainment pack is coming next month. It costs $250 and includes a 1GB MSPD, ATV Offroad Fury: Blazin Trails (game), and Lords of Dogtown (movie). No headphones.

PSP integration with PS3 is still planned. You’ll be able to use your PSP as a remote control for your system. Currently, the plan is that you’ll even be able to see your PS3 screen on your PSP so long as both are connected to the same network (almost like a location-free player). This feature may not be ready for launch, but if it misses, it will be added in an update soon after.

More than 200 new PSP titles will ship between now and Christmas!

You know about the disaster that was UMD movies? Well there’s a reason for that. Usually Sony works with companies who license their products and lay down certain ground rules (pricing, features, etc). With UMD, they had a hands-off approach and movie studios just started releasing every piece of **** movie in their vault, without special features, at highly inflated prices. Sony is not happy about this at all and is going to try to jump start the UMD movie scene again (could take up to a year) by requiring that releases meet certain guidelines. Guidelines may include an MSRP limit of $15 and that UMDs include all the special features of their DVD equivalents. It’s possible that it may be too late to save, but Sony has a lot of muscle and the PSPs multimedia features are its biggest selling points… especially considering the target consumer is a male between the ages of 21 and 40.

Thanks Bill for taking up the page.

hahahhhahhaha.....are you sure you don't mean,

"F-U Bill for making me even more jealous than what I already am,waah, waah, waah..."

You LOSER!!!

welcome CHANG3...hahahahhahaha

While most everything he said would make logical sense, like the space of a DVD compared to a BD, I'm not sure that the extra space would make a huge difference in the actual games, espescially since no developers said that the space limitations of a DVD will be a problem...Now it may be true and it probably is because it's totally logical, a few quotes make me skittish about this "insider" one..."The PS3 is shipping with all 8 cores enabled (1PPE + 7 SPEs). Reports of SPEs “dying” are just plain rubbish."

Ok...first off the PS3 was ALWAYS shipping with 1 PPE, 7 SPE, and 1 SPE turned off for certain reasons, so this just sounds very uninformed...

and the whole "HD-DVD thing already lost" area...it hasn't lost and BR hasn't won, so this is just the most biased opinion out their...

FanGurl in the Worst Way. As for UMD It died cause no one wanted to buy the Sh1t cause it too expensive for one format Plain and simple.
Besides he ain't Play a near nada game up There and im supposed to Believe this Sony Whore. Yeah Whateva Nucca.

you have enlightned me man make me want to buy the ps3 10x as much as i already did

Unreal Tournament is supposed to have 50 multiplayer levels, which awesomely insane. My only gripe (just a slight one) is that they slow down the character movement just a tad? It's not anything bad, just a gaming preference...then again the maps are enormous so i guess it's necessary. I'll just have to improve my aim. =P The large scale battle with the massive tanks and 'War of the World' tripods was awesome. I definitely want to check this game out. And was it just me or were those hoverboards?!

Unreal 2007 will be on PC and PS3 and from what I have read on many sites...most likely coming to the xbox 360. So I think what I'll do is buy the superior version on the PC. Then when it comes to the 360 buy that version for the simple fact that it should be superior to the ps3 version. But one thing no sony fanboy can't say is that the ps3 version will look better than the PC version with a cutting edge set up. And guess what sony fans? Its all on a dvd9 disc for the computer. And it plays at a higher resolution than the ps3 version. How can that be you ask? Well, resolution has absolutely nothing to do with blu ray or its disc space. It has to do with RAM. My computer has 1 gig of video ram and 2 gigs of system ram. Thats why higher resolutions can be reached with a top of the line video card. Some people lie on here and spread mis information with NO LINKS SUPPORTING THEM....You will never hear a developer say that due to the blu ray disc, they can have more texture detail or higher resolutions. Its not relevant. Ram is directly relevant to texture details and resolutions. The ps3 has 256 ram for video and 256 for system. So Unreal on the PC will blow away the ps3 version and the 360 version is likely to be slightly better than the ps3 verions due to the higher ram for textures on the 360 and the structure for making games for the 360 is simular to PC's. Thats why Prey looked almost as good as a Cutting edge computer with 3 gigs of ram. And in some cases depending on your gaming set up...The same. And Prey was a direct port. Thats why Gears of War is going to be so fantastic. Its made for the 360 and you won't see that game on the ps3 or a PC. Thanks Microsoft

But they all still died. If you pay attention to history you will see sony making the same arguements about blu ray. More movie studio support don't matter of the consumers don't support you. lol.... The movie studios will flock to what every formatt the consumers choose. And movie studio support has absolutely nothing to do with it. If Disney as of now only makes movies for the blu ray...HD dvd supporters will buy the disney movie on regular dvd and play it upscaled on their hd dvd player. lol....and from the reviews the hd dvd has upscaling capabilities that almost match the movie mastered in HD. So HD dvd owners don't loose regardless. They can still watch movies from companies that don't support hd dvd as of now. lol......lol......

Its not a guarentee that the 360 version will be better but we can safely assume it will be better for the simple fact that the 360 can have more texture ram, and is easier to dev for, thus making PC ports better realized on the 360 with a simular dev enviorment as a PC. But we will see. lol...lol

OH man you are the best. Thanks for the explanation man. Your asumptions are always rigth on target. We 360 consummers need people like you man. THANKS MICROSOFT FOR THE REAL DEAL!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! IM GOING TO CRY FOR JOY!!! LOL JAJJAJAJAJA WELCOME CHANG3!!!!

It looks very very nice and I will most likely pick it up ..... BUT ...

JAW DROPPING ???

Not anymore jaw dropping than some stuff out now.

What do you think of the PS3's Cell architecture? How much harder is it for developers to write asymmetric multiprocessing code that will run on the PPE and the SPE's? How difficult will it be to port code that is tuned for the Cell over to the 360 while maintaining good performance? Do you think Sony made the architecture complex deliberately to make porting that way harder, or were they just trying to get maximum performance out of their system?

I don't think the Cell is as well designed for game development as Sony would have you believe. Some aspects of the SPEs, such as the lack of branch prediction, make them particularly unsuited to running most game code, which contains a lot of branches. They appear to be designed more for serialized streaming math code, more common in video codecs and audio processing, the traditional domain of digital signal processing chips. The memory architecture of the SPEs, specifically their lack of automatic cache coherency in favor of DMA transactions, seems like a lot of overhead is needed to feed work units to the SPEs and copy the results back to system memory.

The PPE appears to be essentially identical to one of the Xbox 360 cores, except without the VMX128 enhancements and with half the cache. However, a much greater assortment of work has to be crammed into this single core—all of the game loop, all of the rendering commands, and the system allegedly takes over some time as well. Only the second and third cores on Xbox 360 use a small timeslice to provide cool stuff like the Guide, music playback, Dolby Digital encoding, and more things that we can add in the future to all games, past and present.

I think porting from Xbox 360 to PS3 will be reasonably difficult, since the Xbox 360 has a lot more general purpose processing power that can be flexibly reallocated, and all of the Xbox 360 CPU cores have equal access to all memory. The asymmetric nature of the Cell could easily lead to situations where the game has too little of one type of processing power and too much of another. And the content might suffer as well, since you'll never see a PS3 title with more than 256MB of textures at any given time, due to the split graphics and system memory banks. When we announced 512MB of unified memory on Xbox 360, I think all of our game developers (and the artists too) did a little happy dance. It's easier to use and gives developers much more flexibility in how they allocate memory for various resources.

In terms of performance, I think that the PS3 and the Xbox 360 will essentially be a wash. We ran the numbers a while back and the two systems come up surprisingly close in theoretical peak performance, despite the one year difference in release dates. However, I know for a fact that we have a great advantage in software and services—our development environment and tools are years ahead of the competition, and this will ensure that Xbox 360 game developers can easily realize all of this performance and make superior games. Xbox 360 is a great system to develop on, a real pleasure—and I believe our developers agree.

http://arstechnica.com/arti...

The memory architecture of the SPEs, specifically their lack of automatic cache coherency in favor of DMA transactions, seems like a lot of overhead is needed to feed work units to the SPEs and copy the results back to system memory.

you'll never see a PS3 title with more than 256MB of textures at any given time, due to the split graphics and system memory banks.

Sony's CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to.

Based on measurements of running next generation games, only ~10-30% of the instructions executed are floating point. The remainders of the instructions are load, store, integer, branch, etc. Even fewer of the instructions executed are streaming floating point—probably ~5-10%. Cell is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else.

Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? 5 times the amount the ps3 has in fact. Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.

The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.

HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices.

The PlayStation 3's higher graphics clock speed (550MHz versus the 360's 500MHz) does not mean the Sony console will outperform the Xbox 360. Its actually ATI's unified pipeline will make the biggest difference between the Xbox 360 and PS3. ATI archrival Nvidia, which is providing the RSX graphics processor for the PS3, has chosen not to go the route of a unified pipeline. With Direct x 10 on the horizen and windows Vista coming soon, Nvidia will eventually add that feature to their new cards coming out 2007. So the Ps3 is using old architecture. Not Good Folks.

Microsoft and ATI did the GPU architectural design, with MS determining the overall performance targets and ATI turning those targets into reality. The Unified Shaders and Intelligent Memory, for example, are direct results of our remarkable collaboration.

The interface to the system’s memory is 128-bit. Isn’t this a bottleneck considering the bandwidth-intensive tasks performed in the GPU? Why was a 128-bit bus selected when PC parts already implement 256-bit buses in their high-end editions?

Bob Feldstein: Excellent question because it gets to the heart of what is right in the system design. We have a great deal of internal memory in the daughter die referred to above. We actually use this memory as our back buffer. In addition, all anti-aliasing resolves, Z-Buffering and Alpha Blending occur within this internal memory. This means our highest bandwidth clients (Z, Alpha and FSAA) occur internally to the chip and don’t need to access main memory. This makes the 128 bit interface to system memory, and the ensuing bandwidth, more than enough for our needs because we are offloading the bandwidth hogs to internal memory.

When the Xbox 360 GPU features were unveiled, Nvidia expressed doubts about unified shader architecture, particularly about its performance. Do you think Nvidia’s comments are due to no Nvidia part, not even the RSX, having a unified shader architecture yet?

Bob Feldstein: Oh yes. Very much so.

In Windows Vista, WGF 2.0 will treat GPUs as having unified vertex and pixel pipelines, even if that’s not the case in the actual hardware. This suggests that eventually, all GPUs will have a unified shader architecture.
Does the design of the Xenos GPU give ATI the edge over the competition in the near future, since you have already developed a unified shader architecture?

Bob Feldstein: I have no idea what Nvidia is doing in the future, but ATI has a leg up on the research and development of Unified Shaders. This certainly seems like an advantage.

So it doesn't affect PS3 devs at all. Even the 360 can't support Direct X 10 fully. So what's your point? Open GL is just as capable anyway.

BTW, clock speed isn't always a good indicator of power advantages. Just look at AMD and Intel chips. Even if the RSX is weaker than Xenos, it's the combination of Cell and RSX that ultimately allows for much more technologically advanced titles on the PS3. Both Cell AND RSX can render graphics, so don't be surprised to see some awesome visuals from developers in the near future.

What's really holding back the 360 is its mediocre CPU (in comparison to Cell) and the DVD drive. Without a strong CPU, the GPU just doesn't have as much to work with. And without enough storage capacity, games suffer in terms of content (just look at the downgraded textures in the 360 version of Oblivion).

From everything I have read, I totally disagree with "YOUR" opinion. But soon enough we will do real world comparissons...lol...lol...Whe n the games are out on both platforms...No more excuses. Put up or shut up, I say.

And the 360 is direct x 10 ready. open GL is old and played. Direct x keeps updating and getting better and better. All the 360 would need is a software update and "walla"...Direct x 10 enabled. Thats the beauty of having the most powerful software company and most powerful video card maker joining forces to make the best console. Thanks Microsoft.

The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.

Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.

Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs.

Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions.

Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.

Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.

The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.

The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.

The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times.

Is like Kryptonite to Super Man. Get over it. It doesn't mean the ps3 will suck. It will eventually have good games. Its just not as powerful for games....key word...."for games" as the xbox 360 is.

Dvd9 isn't holding a cutting edge PC back. So it won't be holding the 360 back either. Make sense to you yet? lol...lol....its really just common sense.

I don't think the ps3 will suck either. I have never said that. I think developers at some point will make good games for it. But you are right. We will see when "We" can all play it and judge for ourselves. Its always about the games. And both systems are next gen in their own right. I read A lot. Everything I know is from my research.

It would be funny to see Peter Moore and Bill Gates at TGS with the 360 booth! I would be LMFAOTMFF! Because there would'nt even BE any japanese people playing anything there LOL. Final Fantasy XIII will overkill GOW in sales! And THAT my friend is true!

If you want to know more about DIRECTX 10

If you want to know more about DIRECTX 10 go to www.gametab.com

Once Sony shows off the PS3 and its games. People will return back to the PS family!

http://www.gametab.com/news...

I have read that ATI has said that the 360 as of now don't do direct x 10 but can and will via a downloadable patch. So we will see. But in that link you provided they are saying what they heard but they aren't quoting anyone from ATI. But really its common sense. ATI and Microsoft made the 360 with Windows Vista in mind via live anywhere. And Direct X itself is a patch for computers. And the 360 has all the componants needed to run direct x 10 optimally. Unified shaders, ect. So we will see. I believe the article from ATI before I believe the thoughts of a 3rd party web site when it comes to their video card capabilities.

This is a link to an unbiased, very informative explanation of the Xbox 360 and PS3 architectures.

Then he supplies a link to a PS3forum with raging fanboys Ranting and making things up. WOW....how low you stooped this time DJ.

Windows gaming, often neglected in the face of new console launches, seems to be getting some more attention from Microsoft with new Vista-specific features and the announcement of Xbox Live integration. What other improvements and technology from the Xbox side is going to move over to the PC? Can we expect more ports of Xbox games, and will they always lag so far behind (as Halo, KOTOR, Jade Empire, etc. have)? What do you see as the future of PC gaming?

I can't speak to any of the game ports and their timing, since that's the domain of Microsoft Game Studios and our third party developers. I do know that we're making a big push to bring PC gaming back into the spotlight, and there's a lot of great new features in the shell and under the hood in Vista that will make gaming on the PC a lot better. DirectX 10 in particular brings a lot of new graphics features to the table for PC and 360 gaming, and more importantly for PC's it standardizes the entire feature set, making it easier for games to support different vendors' GPUs. The days of game developers requiring two different code paths for ATI and NVIDIA graphics are over. We're also going to make sure all of the controllers moving forward are cross platform, such as the racing wheel and wireless controllers. The APIs for input and audio are almost identical now as well, which helps cross platform titles.

Thanks Microsoft....intergrating PC's, future handhelds, cell phones, and 360's. xbox 360 wireless accessories also being used on window's vista games. This is great. Direct X 10 improving the way games are made. I guess thats why Microsoft are multi multi multi billionaires....What a Master Stroke.

Procedurally-generated worlds are a big topic, although we have yet to see games that really take advantage of them. The Xenon CPU has a method of procedurally generating the geometry of objects and tessellating or interpolating them in real-time (Hannibal wrote a great article about this). What's the biggest advantage for developers using this approach? Can we expect to see games make really creative use of this feature, or is it more of a "behind the scenes" kind of thing?

The tessellator in the Xbox 360 GPU is indeed a very powerful piece of hardware, and you're right—most games have yet to take advantage of this. I think you'll see more titles use it in the future. As for procedurally generated worlds, I believe the biggest obstacle to overcome is how to design and build the content for such a system—it can be quite a departure from today's art pipelines. Game studios will figure it out though—it's crucial to generating and delivering ever larger worlds without having to exponentially grow the size of the art team.

Right now, the best example of using procedurally-generated worlds is a third-party bit of middleware "SpeedTree," which was used to generate all the trees in Oblivion, although this was not done on the fly. This cuts down a lot of work for the artists, who then don't have to spend days making dozens and dozens of slightly different tree models. The idea of using on-the-fly procedural synthesis is one that even Microsoft hasn't explored yet.

PC games will always be more advanced than console games. If pc games will be using direct x 10 and the 360 will as well via a downloadable patch...thats great news. And that demo showed in 2005 was running on a PC emulating what they thought the ps3 would do. lol.....But soon it will all be clear. You haven't presented a link from ATI saying the 360 will not support direct x 10. And you can't compare open gl to direct x 10. lol....

What's the status of the XNA development platform? How much interest has this attracted from developers? How did the project start, and was it an outgrowth of the Managed DirectX project? How is the XNA platform different from other middleware firms' asset management software?

To clarify: there are several products that make up the XNA initiative. The first is the XNA Framework, which uses a new form of Managed DirectX to allow developers to write games using managed code in languages like C# or VB.NET. The second is XNA Build, which is an asset manager that allows developers to see and control every part of the build process. The third and final piece is XNA Studio, which is a version of Visual Studio that has been customized for game development.

XNA Studio is going to be a really interesting product, and I think it will become a critical component of game development, just as Visual Studio has become the primary environment for game development. The XNA Build community technology preview released at GDC shows a glimpse of what's possible when powerful build tools are applied to content production. Programmers take things like compilers and linkers for granted. These tools scan header files and file timestamps, and automatically determine dependencies and perform incremental builds. Content builds are similar to code builds—many files with dependencies need to be processed into a final build, but content builds have traditionally not enjoyed the same features and benefits as code builds. Content builds at a game studio are typically composed of a mixture of off-the-shelf tools (Maya, third-party middleware) and custom in-house tools, all tied together with project-specific scripts. These scripts are typically hard to maintain and debug, are very project-oriented (so they aren't reused for multiple projects), and when something breaks, one or a handful of people become the bottleneck to getting it fixed. XNA Build takes the MSBuild build engine and replaces those scripts in content builds—providing cool features like debugging, incremental builds, distributed builds, logging and more. I think studios will readily adopt this tech, since it will save them money and make the day-to-day development process run much smoother. We're making sure this technology is ready for prime time by testing the system with Microsoft Game Studios titles such as MechCommander2 and a few more recent titles.

The XNA Framework (managed code on Xbox 360) was announced at GDC. It was a priority from the start to get the CLR and Managed DirectX running on Xbox 360, both as a platform for development and as a scripting component. Not much more info is available than that, but stay tuned, as the XNA team will be revealing more details later this year.

You said......"They made billions because they have a monopoly in the PC market and muscled their way through."

And thats why eventually...sooner than later most likely....MS will Dominate the console gaming industry. Direct X 10, XNA, and Live anywhere are poised to rock the gaming world...PC's and Next Gen consoles...One community. WOW. They will now monopolize the gaming world.

The main arguement about Crysis not coming to the consoles 360 and PS3 is because on the technical part wouldn't be possible, because DX10 is missing.

There could be a change for the XBOX 360. ATI recently announced that on the 360 it's possible to install DX10 by an update. It could mean a lot of DX10 games coming to 360, especially with XNA and cross over programming. It looks like a clear case when Microsoft is talking about Live anywhere. If new games will use DX10, it would be more then likely that the 360 runs DX10.

Crysis is one of these games. In this video interview the president of Crytek is telling at this moment, in this form it won't be released on other platforms then PC also because it would be technically hard and scattered resources, but with the new information from ATI and DX10 for XBOX 360 that could all change.

http://www.news4gamers.com/...

"And thats why eventually...sooner than later most likely....MS will Dominate the console gaming industry" LOL!! HA HA LOL!!You are a true xbox fanboy that dreams about things that ae never going to happen.As Long as sony is in the gameing market MS will always be #2 or 3 your just going to have to face the facts the real fanboy.

You need to get a life, or at least an education, Serioulsy copy/paste is not hard to do any idiot can pull it off.

Stop trying to copy/paste in a way that makes it seems the info your "finding" is the info your "creating". You don't even understand 90% of the ignorant shyt you post.

Let me gives you the facts man. I own a 360 so this info. is straight from me!

1.) M$ rushed the 360 out to market to make money based on hype!! not quality

2.) What good does an HD-DVD add-on do for games? Add-on's never work and only clutter the gaming console, what makes anyone think this one will be different?

3.) What good is a HDD that doesn't come standard for all both SKU's? Developers can't take advantage of it and though it may give gamers a "choice" it gives the game developers "NO CHOICE". That doesn't even get to the fact a 20gig HDD is WAY OVERPRICED AT $100.

4.) GAMES GAMES GAMES!! With every game release you riddle these (ps3) news articles with rants and raves of 8.0+ averages of every 360 game. Honestley If these games are +8.0 on average that is very sad because I have played very few games that are worth the 60$ price of addmission. Isnt Next-Gen about new game experiences? Where is my new experiences? XBL is great but it is merely an upgrade nothing more.

You say GOW will give us Next-Gen, then I say you don't know what Next-Gen is about and niether does MS.........

GOW will never give us the new experiences you will get from new IP'ssuch as

Motorstorm

Lair

and

RFOM

these games push bounderies to give gamers and make experiences that you can't get on any other console. That's what I call Next-Gen

a console with Blu-ray media drive (next-gen) cell technology (next gen) motion sensors (next gen) fully upgradable harddrives, standard in both SKU's (next gen) HDMI 1.3 (next-gen) RSX--- well not enough info to call it what it is just yet (wait until TGS)

These are the major reasons why "I" choose PS3, not to mention the Next-Gen look of console (man it's sexy)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Good for you. I disagree with everything you said. I don't even believe you have a 360, but thats a whole notha debate. I don't believe you but I also don't care. And the games you mentioned don't interest me at all. Not one tiny bit. I think you are the one who don't have a clue about what next gen gaming is.

That's fine Real Deal but that's my opinion of a console I BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!!! I didn't knock it til I tried it a lesson you will soon learn!!

And the games you mentioned don't interest me at all.

But games like "Dead Rising", Moto GP 06, Over G fighters, seem to get you just coming back for more? LOL

Quick question for you...... what do you think Next-Gen is or "should be"?

Thats how I felt about my ps2 purchase. 6 years and horrible games but one. And thats God of War. And of course they don't interest you. I don't even believe you have a 360. Its odd to me that PS3 editors from psm and ign ps3 recomend their readers to get a 360 otherwise they feel gamers miss out on next gen exclusive content. So obviously I'm not the only gamer who feels the 360 is next gen. And with over 40 reviews giving 360 games Good, Great, and Outstanding ratings...They must feel its next gen as well. And when Prey is released for the PC and the developers say that, that next gen game could only be relized on a cutting edge PC and the 360...that tells me something as well. 3dRealms said that Prey isn't even possible on the ps3 due to low texture ram that can be allocated. But most importantly, gamers who like the original xbox, all know that the 360 is a major leap foward from every aspect. Not just graphics. Fact of the matter is Most True gamers know that the 360 not only rivals the 200 dollar more ps3 but actually surpasses it in many areas. Next gen movie playing has absolutely nothing to do with next gen gaming. And the experiemental Cell Chip is untested, unproven, and has very very low yields. That should worry anyone investing 600 dollars in the ps3. Unless they are like me and have money to blow. I hope that clears things up for you.

Also, If I were to believe that the xbox live screen name you gave is actually you and not your buddy. I can say you haven't played too many games. And you can download a demo of just about every game before you purchase it. And Every game isn't for everyone. Your purchase of the ps2 should have showed you that. But its nice to have a wide selection of next gen games. OVER G isn't for everyone. But there are 100's of thousands of gamers who love it. Even Full Auto ain't for everyone, but there are 10's of thousands of gamers who love it. its about choice. its about games. And You ain't played nor tried many according to the live screen name you posted a while back. I still got it on my friends list. With over 40 highly rated games...Anyone would be hard pressed not to find a few that they would enjoy. Ps3 editors tell you that. lol..lol...lol

And everyone, from ps3 editors to 360 editors, to Gamers in general love Dead Rising. But with that said. Every game ain't for everyone. But that game is tooooooo fun. And that game is not even possible on xbox or ps2. So its clearly next gen. Gameplay, physics, graphics, mulit layered stories, Masterful save game system. Making you PLAY the game the way it was intended to be played. I love it. And according to sale figures....I'm not alone

thats the same exact screen shot from the PC side of the site. But if the game ends up looking like that...lol....It will be the first game I don't buy for the 360...lol But thank goodness its a PC port and not a exclusive game. lol...

http://media.pc.ign.com/med...

But even with how the game looks. There may be people wanting it. lol... Who knows. But at least we have choices for all types of gamrs. Choice is good.

In other news, the HD DVD players outsold Sony-backed Blu-ray players by 33% during their respective launch windows, according to NPD.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006...

Nomatter how much you try the REAL DEAL doesnt understand life beyond the 360. He said he is a gamer but he is a fanatic, every single person who post here knows that. I said in a post that I bougth a 360 and that I havent played all the good games there are saying. I said Im not happy with the games available for the 360. Then the Mart atacked and said I didnt bougth the 360. WHY? Because Im a gamer and I have a different opinion. Cause I dont post here thet the 360 is the best and I thank Microsoft for that. These 360 fanatics dont respect others opinions, then they consider themselves gamers. LOL. Real Deal even said he didnt like anything on the PS2. Only God of War. LOL The Ps2 is the best video game system available, with the best games available for any platform (360 included). I dare to said that cause I owned every console available: 70 games for PS2, 4o for Xbox, 20 for gamecube, 7 for 360. Still I enjoyed PS2 the most. So its a matter of tastes, you are rigth: but if you havent played it dont bash it. Its Imposible to make these fanatics look in an umbiased way the PS3. So I DONT CARE WHAT THE REAL DEAL AND MART SAID, cause IM a gamer AND THE PS3 is also on my wishlist. I dont care anything they said, cause I have to experience it for myself. The 360 is a good machine who lacks killer games. Everybody knows that: Exept the REAL DEAL, THE MART and other fanatics. My most wanted game is God of War 2, so imagine how much I enjoyed my PS2. So peace for everyone, and play a lot. November is coming and everybodys eyes are on the PS3. So WELCOME CHANG3!!!!!!!

God of War hasn't even sold 2 million copies with an 100 million install base in the ps2. So God of War 2 will do even worse. lol....I thought it was sony's best game for the ps2. But too bad sony fans don't even agree with that. I'm a fanatic because I enjoy the 360 but yet own every system. lol...OKAY. And because I have a major problem with Sonys next gen decisions. OKAy. If I don't agree with SONY extrememest I must be an xbox fanboy. OKAY. Well here is some news for Gametime and others who pledge allegence to SONY. Sony claimed at E3 to have 6 million shipped by the end of the fiscal year in 2007. lol....Looks like they will be lucky to manufacture and ship 3 million. So by that same time frame the 360 will have 13 to 15 million consoles shipped. lol...lol....lol..... No way to spin yourself out of this HOLE sony has dug for you extremeist. But you know whats funny. I think Developers knew this. thats why games have been getting cancelled and pushed back at an alarming rate. They knew something that SONY wasn't telling us. lol....

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

whats your gamer tag on xbox live? lol...lol...lol.....You can call yourself a gamer. But your arguements are one of a sony extremist. But I could honeslty care less. You have your view, I have mine. And if you honestly think DJ and Truth don't be on here out right lying about linkless facts...then its obvious you are just as bad as they are. Lying to make points. lol....Jump In. Get it? got it? Good.

Penello showed us the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Player. Again, there weren’t too many details shared, but (as you’d expect) there was a good argument made as to why Microsoft’s HD-DVD drive would be a better purchase than the Blu-ray-equipped PlayStation 3: more affordable, lower load times, better video compression, decent movie-studio support, etc.

http://hardware.teamxbox.co...

Poor boy. lol...lol....3 million shipped ps3's by the same time MS had sold 5 million the fastest in history. One thing is guarenteed SONY FANBOYS. There are at least 24 million xbox owners that will migrate to the 360. Its a matter of shipping them out as fast as they can from this point on. In the meanwhile there are millions of sony fanboys that will see that there are no ps3's available and see that there are better games on the 360, and they will migrate over to the 360. Many already have. And more will, once Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect and many many other exclusives make there way to the 360. And sony fans need to pray there isn't a price drop. because you couple that with mass shortages of the ps3 and that would be the final nail in the coffin for sony. lol...lol....lol

Of the PS3 games playable at TGS, which are you most anticipating?

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Resistance: Fall of Man
0%
Heavenly Sword
6%
Other
6%
Ridge Racer 7
6%
Warhawk
6%
None
24%
Devil May Cry 4
53%

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54 percent want a game that is most likely coming to the 360 if you believe what has been recently talked about. And there are more people that aren't interested in any ps3 game than any of the others combined...lol.... Like I have been saying. there is absolutely NO excitement surrounding games for the PS3. So while a couple sony fanatics on this site can keep screaming about these so called next gen games. Gamers around the world aren't buying it. lol..lol..lol...

http://www.gamedaily.com/xb...

24 all other ps3 games
24 interested in Not one ps3 game
53 intersted in a game that has been announced as most likely coming to the 360.

Sorry for the typing error in my previous post. Its not 54 and there are an even amount of gamers not interested in any than all the others combined.

Said would be better or rival Gears of War, "Resistance"...lol.. .has absolutely no one wanting it. lol..lol...lol.... That is toooooo funny folks. I told yall this would happen. Its common sense. Sony blew it this next gen. Microsoft always out thinks its opponants. And all of MS's moves have been Master Strokes....Thanks Microsoft.

Poor boy. lol...lol....3 million shipped ps3's by the same time MS had sold 5 million the fastest in history. One thing is guarenteed SONY FANBOYS. There are at least 24 million xbox owners that will migrate to the 360. Its a matter of shipping them out as fast as they can from this point on. In the meanwhile there are millions of sony fanboys that will see that there are no ps3's available and see that there are better games on the 360, and they will migrate over to the 360. Many already have. And more will, once Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect and many many other exclusives make there way to the 360. And sony fans need to pray there isn't a price drop. because you couple that with mass shortages of the ps3 and that would be the final nail in the coffin for sony. lol...lol....lol

http://www.gamedaily.com/XB...

Note.. Xbox section... hmm.. who goes to the xbox section tell me? unlike u, most likely xbox fans go to that section... u however are an xbox promoter, yet u still come to the ps3 section..

Great, xbox fans voting on a ps3 poll.. that sure tells a lot eh...

Its not the xbox section. Why do sony fans all lie? I will never understand that. Its not an xbox site and its the home page. There is a ps3 section and PC section. The link goes to the HOME page. The poll is available to all sections. And I just checked it again and now there are more people not interested in ANY ps3 games. I know its hard for you few sony fans on here to swallow...but Most people don't want the over priced console/bargain priced blu ray player. Its just the way it is. You live on this post board thinking your views are the worlds views...but when you see only 3 million ps3's sold by May of next year. You will know what I have been telling you is true. its ok. Welcome change. Jump In. Next gen is here. Its now. Its affordable. lol..lol

Poor boy. lol...lol....3 million shipped ps3's by the same time MS had sold 5 million the fastest in history. One thing is guarenteed SONY FANBOYS. There are at least 24 million xbox owners that will migrate to the 360. Its a matter of shipping them out as fast as they can from this point on. In the meanwhile there are millions of sony fanboys that will see that there are no ps3's available and see that there are better games on the 360, and they will migrate over to the 360. Many already have. And more will, once Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect and many many other exclusives make there way to the 360. And sony fans need to pray there isn't a price drop. because you couple that with mass shortages of the ps3 and that would be the final nail in the coffin for sony. lol...lol....lol

now we all noe that those voting are truly waiting for the ps3... since its available in all sections.. could it be a possible, that those votings are xbox fans, pc fans.. possible rite? And we are to trust that poll?

Use it as a gauge for the millions getting a ps3?
And dont talk to me about lying.. the biggest crap ever is u.. u lied and lied and refuse to admit u lied.. Then u say ppl getting the ps3s are retards but urself.. and then u went to say sony ps3 sux.. then u said u diddnt.. oh i 4got, wat u always do is copy and paste... so thats y, all those are not from ur own mouth.. i see... usesless brain of urs couldnt function on its own...

Are you done yet? Are you done justifying your purchase by posting random BS on PS3 articles? We know you're upset that Sony's games are looking so damn good. I mean, just look at Unreal Tournament. Same company, but their PS3/PC title is graphically superior to their exclusive 360 title. You post meaningless numbers to trick people into believing that the 360 is next-gen and the PS3 isn't, but unfortunately for you consumers are smarter than you think and are already seeing the PS3 difference.

Come on, it's just videogames. Get over it and enjoy your 360 instead of spending all day hating on people that want a Playstation 3. Unless of course it's not as enjoyable as you claim it is.

its a gaming site. For gamers. Not just sony fans. So yes. Gamers as a whole aren't interested in the ps3. Sure sony fans who intend on getting a ps3 are interested in a ps3. but my point is sony fans who are getting a ps3 are largely out numbered. Most people don't want blu ray and they don't want ps3. Yall handful on here represent the minority of gamers. Even sony casual gamers aren't interested in the ps3. Only the hardcore fans with money to waiste are. lol..lol...lol..

OMG Real deal, ur a hardcore fan!? ididnt noe taht.. tank u for that info.

Hey, I'm sorry about the news. I feel bad for you dude. 3 million ps3's shipped by May 2007. lol.... Just pray the price don't drop for the 360 DJ. Because that would seal the deal buddy. That would be the last straw. The final nail in the coffin. but you know. Everyone always gets what they deserve. Sony had it coming. Fasten your seat belts. lol...lol

66 - Dead Rising is super fun
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And everyone, from ps3 editors to 360 editors, to Gamers in general love Dead Rising. But with that said. Every game ain't for everyone. But that game is tooooooo fun. And that game is not even possible on xbox or ps2. So its clearly next gen. Gameplay, physics, graphics, mulit layered stories, Masterful save game system. Making you PLAY the game the way it was intended to be played. I love it. And according to sale figures....I'm not alone
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What happened to your "CHOICES" You know the "choices M$ has given 360 gamers that you rave about? Wasn't it you Real Deal that was claiming your hate for Sony was that they are forcing things on people!! YOU NEED TO WATCH WHAT YOU SAY KIDDO

"Masterful save game system. Making you PLAY the game the way it was intended to be played. I love it."

SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU DON'T WANT CHOICES AS LONG AS IT'S THE 360 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

GET A LIFE

P.S. AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS OBVIOUS FROM MY 360 GAMERTAG (SUMTYNNAZTEE) IS THAT I DON'T PLAY 360 MUCH AT ALL, BUT YOU KNOW HOW THAT IS BEING THAT YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME HERE ON THESE FORUMS.

Why wait? Jump in! The Drop Squad is in the building.

"Poor boy. lol...lol....3 million shipped ps3's by the same time MS had sold 5 million the fastest in history." - the Real Deal..

wow.. PS3 will catch to 360 in that short period of time.. super cool.. dude its ur own word... meaning that by the time x360 manage to reach 5 million consoles, the 3 million PS3 consoles will be available... and u know the 3 million WILL sell out (its not me but all the analyst said so, the 1st batch of PS3 will be grab by the early adopters).. cool.. the 360 only manage to sell 5 million after a year... yet.. the PS3 will sell 3 million unit during launch.. that is way fast dude.. the fastest catch up ever.. boy the Real Deal.. u really enlighten me... thx for helping me making the choice...

realdeal will make suicie when ps3 launches on nov17. lol

Gow you are a gonner lol lol lol lol!

All it takes is some CGI/phots for Sonyfanboys to orgasm, and start flaming. Sad I tell you. As always truegamers play cause they love video games,not just sequals, cgi and rendered still shots.

Lots of Fake gamers on here..just fools, like little kids that don;t know any better. As if people are on here are trying to make them buy this or that, I don't give a rats@ass what your mama buys for ya. It's no my $1 thats being wasted. I'm just being real as always.

Lets see

Poll Results

Resistance: Fall of Man
0%
Heavenly Sword
6%
Other
6%
Ridge Racer 7
6%
Warhawk
6%
None
24%
Devil May Cry 4
53%

4 Crappy looking cheesy games and sequal number 100 out of that bunch.

Oh yeah I sure do like that "GOD of WAR" but with a B@#$# game, now that looks fun.

GOW and UT cannot be compared. They are not the same type of game. GOW is all about finding cover and shooting out in 3rd person, while UT is first person focusing on fast paced running and gunning. How can you compare that?

im sure ill hate this game if i ever play anyone like fatal1ty... Fast paced DM games always seem to be my downfall...

If the PS3 verison of this looks remotely like it ill slap my wrist for buying my 360..

I can't wait to compare it to my GoW :DD!!!

I'm getting a ps3 so, i'll be playing this game
while my friends (360fans) they'll be waiting for it.That's sad!

Is there an audience for arena shooters? Back in the early 90s, that’s all we had. But even by the late 90s, the most popular online shooters were team based, objective games like Counterstike and Team Fortress. Even at Halo’s peak, the most populated playlist was Big Team Battle. What happened to arena shooters? Time and innovation.

They are boring like most of the online rubbish people play nowadays.

Halo carrying the torch.

Everybody just wanted to copy CoD; so it then moved to the indie scene, with Halo being the only real exception in the AAA space.

At this point, standard arena shooters (like Halo Infinite) are incredibly boring and dull. COD at least added leveling and light RPG elements to keep people engaged and working towards a goal. And since weapon/player leveling is also beneficial in Warzone, it is still practical to play the standard multiplayer from time to time. But without a BR, even COD's arena shooting gets really repetitive and becomes pointless.

Arena shooters need to go away and BR's need to evolve into something even better that satisfies not only the online-only competitive crowd, but also those who prefer single player gameplay.