So, commenting with criticisms on an article about the beta is trolling? I assume you just want to hear "Great game, pwns all shooters, etc", correct?

I don't see the issue with me defending the concept of fans giving feedback to the game, like in the K3 forums. Here people don't like hearing anything negative

I have the beta, it's not hard to obtain :/

An infiltrator doesn't counter a Marksmen... considering they can't see them, ever. A marksmen doesn't directly counter another marksmen. In K2 they could, but not in K3. And yes, you do stay cloaked indefinitely with a silenced weapon (the machine pistol)

I never said the MP was bad, in fact, I love the MP. But, this may surprise you, I don't think it's perfect and thus I am criticizing the game's biggest flaws. I know the game can be even better and there are some things that hold it back. But I guess you don't like the idea of hearing something you don't like.

If you didn't know, the map "Corinth Highway" has areas where mechs hide and wait for others to pass. The mech keeps its back to a wall so that way they don't have to watch their back.

Alpha-Male22 is owned by M$.

I have been around this site long enough to know that Alpha-Male22 is definitely not a troll. In fact I think this site would be a fair bit better if we had a few more users like him. His comments are always intelligent and constructive.

alpha may not be a troll but, take this from someone who has played the hell out of killzone2. I wholeheartedly understand every change GG made to the 3rd instalment(bar no squad leader spawn) and agree with them 100%.

for instance on the killzone forums most of the so-called "killzone2 vets" are complaining about the TSP's in K3 when in fact it was the spawn grenades in killzone2 what caused most of the spawn camping.

people are really just going to have to adjust because the changes are here to stay!

I agree with the article's headline. My reasons are different though, and much more fundamental.

In KZ, character models are fairly large (ie: easy targets), the maps are quite cramped, and you move slowly. All this adds-up to: EASY targets. On top of that you have absurdly-strong aim-assist (and no option to turn the damn thing off--I HATE aim assist). This all means aiming skills ("gun-game") are thrown out the window--they're unnecessary in this game. On top of that, it takes so few shots to down someone now.

Aiming skills, in KZ3 = completely unnecessary.

Also, the mechanics greatly encourage camping. If you move, your gun is less accurate (sure, that's more realistic, but in a GAME all it does is encourage and help campers). If you crouch and camp, you get an accuracy boost. Also, GG have mostly gotten rid of KZ2's infamous input lag, but what people aren't mentioning (am I the only one who noticed?) is that it's pretty much been replaced by a feeling of accelerating input. I mean: for the first split second you input a command (I'm talking about moving the crosshairs) you move retardedly slow, and quickly accelerate to your chosen aim sensitivity. Again, this encourages not moving your crosshairs and just camping.

Now add-in all the other arguments about classes and spawning and game-modes, and you'll understand why people are labelling KZ3 a "noob-friendly CoD". I mostly enjoyed playing the beta (and my KDR is 1.58, so I wouldn't say I'm bad at it), but it's not what I'm looking for in a mp game (ie: something that requires and rewards gun-game).

Yes people should drop like flies you are shooting them with a gun you idiot...

I used to love KZ2 this does feel different but it is a better different.

@Alpha

"The line was "adapt to high health and master the hard controls"."

Sounds like a line I may have taken for the first 6 months or so of playing Killzone 2.
I, for one, loved the weighty feel of K2 and I remember, having put 100 or so hours into the multiplayer, I then bought World at War and absolutely hated the floaty, speedy, unnatural controls, so I switched back to K2.

Then Bad Company 2 released and it became my new favourite shooter. I would, however, still return periodically to K2 and that was when I realised what people were talking about when critising K2s heavy controls.

The feel to BC2s controls are somewhere in between K2 and CoD and now K3 are similar to BC2s but certainly nothing like CoDs.

So no complaints here about Killzone 3s controls and I now prefer them to Killzone 2s.

As for the low health - it's the same for everyone .

LOL....that guy blain just said Killzone has aim-assists........LOLOLOL FAIL. Killzone does NOT have aim assists. I've put hundreds upon hundreds of hours into Killzone 2 and the 3 beta. Never once has my reticles auto-tracked or stickied itself to an enemy. I think SOMEone is confusing Killzone with Call of Nooby: Auto-Aim Noob-fair 2.

Man, stop with the essays. -.-

@Larry

lol you fail nub. Maybe you're just not good enough to notice when your reticle goes somewhere OTHER than where you aim it. Unless my brain is subconsciously moving the sticks for me, there is very significant aim-assist.

By the way, I wouldn't know how the aim assist is in CoD because I don't play that noob-fest. You do, though, so maybe you should go back to your game of choice and not argue over things you fail to notice.

Edit: why is it every time I point out the aim-assist in a game there's always a nub who isn't aware he isn't fully in control of his actions to contradict me? It's infallible...

For someone owned by MS, he seems to be on the PSN a lot. lol

Bur I agree with you guys! Rabble rabble rabble I can't accept that people have different opinions rabble rabble.

alpha, ive played with you a few times-uc2 and mw2 and i must say your skills are in need of improvement. nothing is wrong with kz3. i enjoy the game.... maybe you should bump those fps skill up.

Alpha-Male is definitely a troll and anybody who doesnt think so, is either naive or a 360 troll, plain, pure and simple!

Like 'bageara' said.
At first KZ was criticized for not being like COD.
Now this?

WOW! you guys really think Alpha-Male22 is a troll is that because he said killzone 3 isn't perfect are you guys such idiots or what,i have been on N4G and many other sites long enough to know a troll when i see one and in fact Alpha-Male22 is probably the most level headed person i have seen on any site,it's you guys that are full of shit N4G has the worst comment section of any of the sites i have gone too all the bull shit and lies that you guys spew could cover the earth 3 times over.

"Alpha-Male is definitely a troll and anybody who doesnt think so, is either naive or a 360 troll, plain, pure and simple! "

LOL,this is what I'm talking about right here most of you guys are idiots its like some unspoken law that if you say anything bad about the ps3 that person = a troll and or a 360 fanboy even if the only console they own is a ps3!! ..don't worry if there is a bad game or god help us all a flaw in a ps3 game, the world is NOT going to end,not every one who owns a ps3 is going to like killzone 3 ..i own 2 ps3's and a wii but the stupidity that go's on here every day from SOME of you is hard to watch
you guy's go ape shit if a ps3 exclusive gets a score under 10! acting like 8's and 9's are bad you guys really need to grow up i don;t know why i bother you some of you guys are a lost cause.killzone 3 is a great game and i hope you all enjoy it on the 22nd i will.

Blain, you are either just a fool or you actually believe your own BS. Or a 3rd option is that you are either just a Killzone hater like so many other fanboys on the internet....idk, but it's one of those 3.

1st off...I DON'T play CoD outside of when I'm FORCED to play it at my mate's house, because that's all he plays. My PSN ID is Darth-Krayt.....you or anyone else can look that up.

2nd.......Killzone absolutely does NOT have aim assists. I absolutely HATE aim assists. That's why I don't play CoD. Not since CoD4 anyway because the aim assists totally ruined 4 for me, and CoD's aim assists have only gotten MORE pronounced since then. It's quite easy to prove, and anyone who WANTS to know, instead of just peddling propaganda like you, can do so. Don't be a kill ratio loving baby for one game, and just go around NOT trying to kill people. and walk around looking for a place enemies go by alot. In the beta, a perfect place would be either side of the lowest part in the middle of frozen dam, looking up the steps towards the lower bridge where enemies walk by all the time. Just stand there with your reticle pointing at body level and take your thumbs off the sticks. When someone walks by your reticle, it will NOT MOVE A MILLIMETER. Therefore there are no aim assists. If you try that in CoD, your reticle will stick right to the person and pull in the direction they're walking. FACT.

I test this in EVERY FPS I play to know for sure if it has aim assists or not. And no Killzone has ever had it, not 1, 2 or 3. YOU obviously havn't tested it as I have. So some random liar on the internet like you isn't going to tell me it does. I KNOW for undeniable fact, and if it had aim assists, I wouldn't play it. Which is why Killzone is one of the only console FPSs I'll play.

Get informed, instead of just being a propaganda spreading BS artist. MSNBC could probably have a position for you though.

@larry:

Bullet curve

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Fans complaining about aim assist

http://community.killzone.c...

http://community.killzone.c...

Thought I'd show you that, at least compared to K2, there is some sort of aim assist. Most people in the forums seem to acknowledge its existence, but some seem to also deny it.

However, with Move players dominating some games, I don't really mind, but it'd be nice if they got rid of the "curving" in that first video IMO. I do think it exists judging from the video/people saying it does. I haven't tested it out in the beta for myself though

@ Alpha-Male22

Saying Custom classes is a must in KZ3 is idiotic @ most. Why would you not bash BF:BC2 for it's class system if you have a problem with KZ3's?
If ppl got to mix and match abilities like COD does, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE BALANCY IN GAMEPLAY?? There is a class system for a reason.

This article is not entirely accurate about the flaws in this game because of it's references to several ppl's comments regarding THEIR experience. It also seems the writer and the players involved lack some skill to really see the effective and ineffectiveness in the gameplay, classes, weapons, etc

“Shotgun seems to kill with one shot from medium range,” REALLY??

I never found myself killing an enemy with a shottie @ mid range in 1 shot unless the enemy was caught low on health. If I was up close to sum1, of course it should kill with 1 shot, th@s the way a shotgun should be. It's also somewhat tricky to control.

"Medics. What’s the chuffing point? You get about three seconds to resuscitate downed comrades, and even if you do manage it, you’ll get sprayed down with machine-gun fire faster than a spider caught in a power hose"

UTTER BS!! This would be YOUR fault if you don't clear the place out b4 reviving your partner or choose the right moment to.

My rant ends here.

In that video bullets appear to curve from the mech, I don't use vehicles, so I can't speak to that. WHat I CAN speak to is that regular weapons don't. There is absolutely no aim assists on regular weapons. You'll notice in that video that that guy tries his damndest to get the regular weapons to do the same thing, and they don't. Those bullets flew straight and true, and you'll also notice that his reticle doesn't move even slightly, when he tries to get it to auto-aim CoD style. There's no auto-aim. And that video proves it. I don't see how that guy's trying to act like it proves it does.

And you seem to be on the internet enough to know how much people on the internet lie about anything they don't like. The majority of people who bash Killzone don't even have a PS3, nevermind actually play Killzone to have any valid complaints about it. They just try and find some complaints someone ELSE on the internet said, that sounds plausible enough to them that it may be hard for real fans to criticize away, and they all jump on that bandwagon. Alot of people all saying the same lie, doesn't make the lie any less of a lie, does it? If you admitedly havn't tested it yourself, but are repeating other people's lie.....what makes you any better than them? I HAVE tested it, and there's no auto-aim, at least on weapons you actually hold.

Though I admit, in that video it APPEARS that the mech may have curving bullets. But you don't know how truthfull the guy making the video is. He COULD be using Move, and just not be disclosing that.....in which case bullets would be going where you point the Move, which is often not exactly where the reticle is pointing depending on how you set up your deadzones. And that's always most noticable when you are aiming towards the edges of the screen, which btw is exactly what he was doing when those bullets "curved". Which is exactly why alot of people who use Move on Killzone 3 and even MAG, turn the reticle off. Because it can be disorienting with your reticle not always pointing where you're pointing.

You really can't believe everything you see and hear on the internet. Especially considering how many people on said internet have agendas against anything they aren't fans of.

Or is he not neutral?

@Bloody Napkin

If the Marksmen is using a silenced weapon, he stays cloaked indefinitely.

The marskmen has access to a 5-burst Assault Rifle with a dot sight scope. He can master all distances as a result. And like Blaine said, it's one of, if not THE best Assault rifle in the game

Using the sniper rifle guarantees a one shot kill anywhere on the body, unless maybe if they are using armor. And being downed isn't anything like last stand from COD. You get the death regardless and the enemy gets the point.

And my comment about being countered was about a direct counter, not a counter in which you have to manually find the enemy yourself, which is a lot harder than you make it sound. Yes, you can see the enemy name, but I guarantee that the sniper almost always sees you first. Also, if people are smart, they don't upgrade to the radar jammer. For some reason Marksmen's class update ++ seems inferior to +

Not only that, but my problem is that people DON'T use cloaks that way, they use it to camp players that pass by, and when you have lots of camper snipers on a team like that, you have a game of players who do nothing but reap in kills and decide not to do objectives.

Sorry Bloodynapkin but you don't know enough about the marksman to comment on them. No access to an assault rifle? (that is thier second weapon upgrade). And you uncloak when you kill someone? Try again, when you are sporting the machine pistol (which is thier third secondary weapon) you never uncloak when you kill someone. I loved playing the marksman but when you get your primary of an assault rifle and secondary of a machine pistol I too belive it needs a little more balance.