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HawkEye: Why Michael Phelps will kill Kinect

"Michael Phelps is undoubtedly a great man. While outside the pool he's just another freakishly tall, fully shaven member of the general public (Eww), when he gets inside his cholorine-filled kingdom, nothing can stop him. He's the Usian Bolt of the water, the Roger Bannister of fluids, the Paula Radcliffe of a state of matter with slightly far-apart particles. The man becomes a merman, elegantly slicing through the deep blue like a katana through milk, pushing his bulky figure to the max as he gets from one end, then does a little flip thingy underwater, then swims back. He's an American hero, a bastion of physical prowess, and really, really fast at swimming. It's a shame, then, that's he's going to kill Kinect."

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mikeslemonade5503d ago

It's not because of the nature of the game. It's the developer. I can't remember a good Olympics game. I don't think there is one. The quality of the game looks bad. At it's greatest, the graphics look like a Wii game. Not many people care about the standing up and pretending to stroke as long as the game is realistic. Sports fans demand realism. The most realistic sports games are NBA 2k11 and Fight Night. Those two games have a strong following.

DualConsoleOwner5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

that is already dead...

Kinect is nothing but full of shovelwares at this point.

@Redgehammer.

oh i didnt say Kinect is useless... i am sure it is great for kids, moms and casuals.

what i meant was that it is pointless to the hardcore gamers.

and i own xbox just not kinect

Stealth20k5503d ago

Agreed. And thats all it wil ever have without physical controls

Redgehammer5503d ago

By dual console do you mean Wii and PS3? Kinect is fun. My son's and all the neighborhood kids and I have a blast with it. Unless the demo of the Phelps games is fun (no demo no buy) I will not even consider it.

pollocks5503d ago

I think that's exactly what he's saying Reg. All your neighbourhoods' kids and your son have fun with it. Note how they are children, the audience that casual Kinect shovelware games are aimed at

EVILDEAD3605503d ago

One game can't kill Kinect..just like one bad game didnt kill the Wii..

Let the internet bashers keep babbling on about the weak 'hardcore' vs. 'casual' argument..

Kinect is an all-out sucess..the better launch games are still out there and will have legs until the new batch arrive.

Child of Eden and others will outshine bad ideas like the Phelps game..but again it will be E3 that will solidify or break Kinect..the hard work is over..

Evil

NoobSessions5503d ago

[Posted this before]

Kinect doesn't necessarily mean causal gamer.
Maybe now, seeing as the only games available for it are games like Dance Central and Kinect Sports [all seem fun btw, and to me, fun is fun.]

But more traditional "core" games are coming out too.

Forza Motorsport 4
Child of Eden
Star Wars Kinect
Steel Batallion: Heavy Armor
Project D
Project Draco
Rise of Nightmares
Haunt
Virtua Tennis
UFC Trainer

So yeah, obviously marketing-wise, MS is going to capitalize on the casual with games and marketing that will appeal to the casual, because its motion-control...
But it doesn't have to be that way with all the actual games though.

DualConsoleOwner5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

Ummm some of those does not even have TITLES yet

hence project this and project that. having said that we dont even know what the gameplay is like.

you are just saying it is core without any shred of information.

and look at developers behind those games.

http://games.ign.com/object...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

they are not even core game developers. they mostly make kidde dancing casual games. look at their history it is all there.

Only possible core game seems to be Steel Battalion. and again we havent seen a glimpse of gameplay.

even if it is, you have possibly 1-2 core games being released in a year with no guarantee that they are going to be good.

sound just like Wii?? only couple of core games a year?

NoobSessions5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

You chose one game on my list that isnt being made by a core developer, and thats Haunt; and so you claim that most of the list is that way. That makes no sense.

Also Steel Battalion, Rise of Nightmares, Project D, Project Draco, and Haunt were all announced at the same time; so judging from that, I think that the overall consensus of what MS was trying to push with that bundled announcement was to have it directed to the general core audience.

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RonaldRaygun5503d ago

A game that is projected to be terrible and sell poorly isn't going to make or break the Kinect. That's like saying that the 360's future relies on the success of Viva Pinata: Party Animals. What will make or break the Kinect is the success (or lack thereof) of big games that people have high hopes for (Star Wars Kinect?).

Kon5503d ago

Let's wait until the game releases.

Bigpappy5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

Wow! Kon make way more sense than anyone else here. Just may be we should at least wait for a demo? Better yet wait for the game too release.

One guy actually use NBA-2K11 and Fight night as more be in more realistic experiences. --playing a basket ball and boxing, by moving your thumbs and sitting on the sofa, is more relistic than standing and moving your arms in a smimming motion to play a swiming game. I am not predicting wether the game will turn out great or just plain suck. But to write the game off as a failure and less realistic than button pushing games is premature at best.

I prefer to play the mini game in Kinect Sport and find them more immersive than any button equivalent (except for the boxing), but even then, if boxing game was made with the same quality and polish as Fight Night, using Kinect as the controller, it would be a much better game. In fact, I guaranty that most people with buy that version over the controller version (that include both core and casual 360 gamers).

I don't see why people are knocking Kinect for not making you have to actually swim. When you play COD do you have people come to you house and shoot at you? Do you invite Mike Tyson over for a few rounds when playing FN? There is nothing realistic about gaming. It is the job of the developer to give you that immersive feeling, no matter which control method you use.

Wait for the game then criticize.

Zeevious5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

Usually I never judge a game before it's released, but stand up for me...right now.

Make the Breaststroke, the Sidestroke, the Trudgen, the Flutter Back or Dolphin.

What's that...NONE of those work because you can't KICK?

Moving through air is absolutely nothing like the fluid dynamics of water.
If it was Olympic pools would be filled with swimmers perched on backless office chairs -- not WATER.

* Try one of these exciting bundles for a more realistic experience . . .

Push The Limit/Collectors Edition - Includes officially license (and signed) Phelps SwimOttoman accessory to lie on and stroke away. (bong not included)
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Phelps Infate-A-Pool sold separately.
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TardcoreGamer5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

He made weed less enjoyable for me ever since I found out he smoked a bong....:) Now kinect will seem even more lame now as well.. Its a bad omen. Every thing Phelp's touches turns to shit.

SwampCroc5503d ago

yeah. michael phelps just made baltimore look even worse.

hamburger1235503d ago

How the hell is this gonna be fun?

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia1500d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog1500d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry9161500d ago (Edited 1500d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing691500d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming1500d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer791500d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember1499d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog1500d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop1500d ago (Edited 1500d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog1500d ago (Edited 1500d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop1499d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic1499d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop1499d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic1498d ago (Edited 1498d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal1500d ago (Edited 1500d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic1499d ago (Edited 1499d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf101500d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar1500d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf101500d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell1500d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf101500d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv721500d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming1500d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog1500d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming1500d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming1500d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv721677d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister1677d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars2901677d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch1677d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister1677d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma3131677d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister1677d ago (Edited 1677d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch1677d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss1677d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister1677d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat771676d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister1676d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars2901676d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss1676d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars2901676d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin1676d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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