Bulletstorm developer admits Xbox hardware is holding them back

DigitalRaptor5578d ago

Whether or not they do or they don't, it's just common sense.

You don't need to be a fanboy to know that.

This article is totally unnecessary anyway and quite misleading!

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kancerkid5577d ago

What a shitty title for this article.

The second paragraph of the 'story':
"When asked 'Five years since Xbox 360 appeared on the market...do you feel that the hardware is stopping you from doing what you'd like?' he said, "Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough." He went on to add, "Seriously, though, it feels pretty good making games on Xbox 360. As you can see with the exclusive titles like Halo and Gears or multiplatform titles like Bulletstorm, the quality is high enough not to feel any pressure for the next generation. People like the current gen, and I think we still have a lot of room for exploration.""

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AAACE55577d ago

The title alone will have the fanboys going crazy!

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SasanovaS19875577d ago

halo? gears? bulletstorm? those are their quality titles that dont have any pressure from next gen titles? hahaha all those games are on 1 dvd, and they do their best to sugar coat the games, and use every trick in the book, smoke and mirrors, to make them somewhat decent looking and playable. yet top 5 of PS3 exclusives takes like 6 DVDs minimum. why do you think that is? lack of compression my @ss, its the fact that the ps3 is a whole generation infront of the 360, packing every blu ray disk with insane ammounts of data. that data is there for a reason, and thats to create the true NEXT GEN we gamers deserve. disagree all you want :/

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Hellsvacancy5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

I dont really care, the BulletStorm demo i played was poop, you mofos can argue over it as much as you want

But on the topic of 360 games im REALLY enjoyin Mass Effect 2 on my PS3, it was the only game i was ever envious about

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zootang5577d ago

@Hells

No run and gun AND no jumping! What is this 2005?

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jadenkorri5577d ago

let the fanboy rage begin..

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ComboBreaker5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

at least they're willing to admit that the 360 is holding them back. It is an inferior hardware after all.

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Inside_out5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Here we are going on 6 years for the xbox 360 and the games are only getting better.

@sa-ASS-anova...you deserve to have ONLY a PS3 with stupidity like that...lol...why is KZ, UC, MGS...all of them 720p and 30/fps??? How come with all this room on the blu-rays the games are no longer and actually shorter in many cases...lol. You can put all the cut-scenes you want in the game and fill up the blu-ray with garbage like that...I want GAME PLAY, I don't want sit around and watch cut scenes...a PS3 specialty. I know...I have one.

Just Look a this kid Darkride66 below...lol...EVERY multi-plat plays, looks and sells better on the 360. RDR, PSM GOTY is 640p on PS3 and 720p on 360...if that was reversed, it would be the inferior 360's fault right??? Mafia 2, cod...ALL released in the LAST YEAR, all look play and sell better on 360. If you spent more time researching you wouldn't look so ignorant ALL THE TIME.

It's up to the developer and the creative director to decide how best to utilize the system they have at there disposal. Want destructible environments, compromise will have to be made. Want crazy, over the top physics, you'll have to make some exceptions.

Good devs make good games and finds ways around the inherent problems a system may have. The cell processor is almost useless and that's why you are seeing all the cut scenes that plague the games on that system.

UC is more cut scenes than anything else. Every Time you jump somewhere in that game it triggers a cut scene. Open a door, cut scene, have a conversation, cut scene. Read or watch some of ND dev diaries sometime. They had issues with some thing as small as a barrel exploding. Why do you think they went with Havok for part 2 AND 564 cut scene " simulations " Vs 84 for part 1...O_o...lol.

Still waiting for a PS3 game that can do what this demo can do...from 2006 no less

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Incredible sound and vistas. Brutal in game melee action. Devastating weapons with over the top physics. Watch how the shot gun rips the locust in half. The BEST cover system in gaming...one tap of the button, you slid into cover. Vault over the cover, run along the cover, free fire from the cover. Even the reload mechanic is a mini game with the double click right bumper. Hold the " A " button down to roadie run. Watch how every bullet leaves a trail and connects some where. Terrific animations...more game play in this DEMO than in most games.

Count the pixels and complain about the sales...this game delivered...Alan Wake...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

@2011 only going to get better...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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zootang5577d ago

@Cez

Why are 360 exclusives like Alan Wake 540p?

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stevenhiggster5577d ago

Stupid title for a stupid article.
But would any of us have clicked on it if it wasn't for the title?

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Persistantthug5577d ago

cez of rage said,
"EVERY multi-plat plays, looks and sells better on the 360."

Seriously, calm down, take a deep breath, think things through before you make heated, irrational, and angry responses.

Getting angry apparently causes you to make things up. Lying only proves that you deserve the 1 bubble you have.

I'm being serious.......Do better please, cez of rage.

Good luck

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Sevir045577d ago

Sensational headline and poor journalistic integrity rears its ugly head yet again!

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Shepherd 2145577d ago

Five year old gaming hardware is starting to show its limitations? I ask you all, who would have guessed it????

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KillerBBs5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

BS is going to be fun reguardless.

food for thought: I have a 360 and a PS3, I know the PS3 has more power but why is it... i only play 360 games?

What's better doesnt mean it's more fun.

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Pixelated_Army5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

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duplissi5577d ago

... oh cez the level of fanboyism you put out is astonishing. not since zhuk, power of green, or bungie have i seen such love for the xbox.

perhaps you should take a second and relax. its an amalgamation of plastic, silicon, and metal... and therefor not deserving of the attention you give it.

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Theonetheonly5577d ago

Im totally gonna take this seriously and prepare my rebuttal comment so all the n4g-ers can see how powerful my brain and my choice of gaming platform are.

Totally

serious

totally

ill show them

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IcarusOne5577d ago

agreed Killer. I own both, but my 360 typically gets much more play than my PS3. I guess that make me an ignorant fanboy...(tear)

@ persistantthug - lol. Yes, cez is very rageful, but at least he's pretty upfront about his bias. Can you give example of multiplats that sold better on PS3? (FF13 doesn't count.)

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KingME5577d ago

@cez of rage - Most of what I read from your comment appeared legitimate, I don't know what these guys are talking about.

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SkyGamer5577d ago

I like how everyone thinks blu-ray is the future. It is not. It is streaming and dd. We all know that. Look at how blu-ray is doing. They have to compete with DD and DVD which are WAY ahead of blu-ray. Let's not count in the slow read times and data etched on 0.1 mm of the disc. All you who bought a ps3 funded sony to use that crappy format. It may have won the battle against HD-DVD but it will lose the war to flash memory, dd, hdd, ssd, thumbdrives, etc. Why have to power a disc anymore? I can get a 128 gb thumbdrive. Even a 64 gb thumbdrive is more than a dual layer blu-ray and with usb 3.0, it has MUCH faster transfer rates. Why wouldn't I go with that? Let's not even go into the single core processor or the dated 7800gtx. Sheesh...

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ABizzel15577d ago

All of you people are sad. Does it really matter.

PS3 fans let it go. The 360 fanboys attacked the PS3 when it first came out, but the S3 has proven itself. You have nothing to prove to 360 fanboys, the games have done it for you.

360 fans the PS2 beat the Xbox, and the 360 is currently beating the PS3 in sales. 360 games are fun, and the online community is great. You have what you want, and nothing to prove to PS3 fanboys. Just enjoy your console.

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mrcash5577d ago

@zootang I would assume that Alan wake runs at that res because it has the best lighting and shadows in any console game to date, I play on both consoles, well actually no longer game on xbox just ps3 and Alan wake hands down wins in the lighting dept over any ps3 game, not only that but the game really is beautiful the res doesnt make the game its everything else and imo lighting is really important and very resource intensive.

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Snake Raiser5577d ago

On the contrary I think it is a brilliant title. At least from the point of view of the people who made it. They get hundreds of hits for nothing. It is a perfect example of how "a sucker is born every minute."

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baodeus5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

@sasanovaS1987

Dude, if game like UC2,KZ2,GoW3,MGS4,heavenly sword, can even play for more than 10hrs w/ out cut scene, i would think the blue ray really helps, but it doesn't. FF13 add 10+ hrs uncompress CGI and music -> hence 3DVD, or MGS4 having cutscene every 5 mins doesn't prove anything about Blue ray advantage for games play time beside loading up w/ uncompress sound and HD videos. If blue-ray add tones of gameplay hrs and you don't need DLC, then i can see your point, but right now, u have nothing to prove other wise. Those are the top exclusive games on ps3 no less.

While u obviously gloss over game like RDR, GTA, Fable, oblivion, etc... that have insane details in a much much larger and open game, tones of hrs game play and than those ps3 exclusives and they ran fine on 1 DVD, do you know why? They don't have uncompress CGI, cutscene, QTE or music that for sure.

Crysis set the bench mark for graphics and it also ran on 1 DVD, so how does DVD limited the graphics? For example, if the console graphic card can display a maximum of 1 billion polygon at a time, and the blue-ray load up of 40 times that much more, can it display all of it, or only display up to it max capability? You can also go play those old games at 1080p, 120fps, with ease on console, does it mean it look better? Many seem to not understand what this HD resolution actually mean. If it is higher = it is more powerful......is a major misconception on n4g.

I hope you can provide me with some back up on those claims of yours (data are there for a reason). I have given mind, i hope you could do the same instead of just making a biased statement.

@ Cez of rage
man calm down, i think u going into that same realm as sasanova. Using a bias statement to argue another biased view is not the solution. Ask question instead and hopefully, and i do mean BIG HOPE, that people on n4g can give some unbias view on the matter.

and the article actually talk about limitation of consoles....get it consoles. do people read article anymore? It seems many of you just ran off w/ your own ideas after reading a misleading title (a must for every article to stir interest in reader) but never even bother to read.

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DigitalRaptor5576d ago

@ duplissi

That's because cez of rage is the same person as Bungie, green ring of life, and InTheKnow. It is a multi-account troll you're dealing with!

@ IcarusOne

Dude, no matter what pro-Xbox propoganda and misinformation might have been telling you, most multiplatform games have been selling better on PS3 for a while... Castlevania, Enslaved, Vanquish, Resident Evil 5, BlazBlue, Fist of the North Star, Sonic & Sega All Star Racing, Dante's Inferno, Need for Speed: Shift, Dynasty Warriors, Split/Second, Lost Planet 2, Dead Space, Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands, Burnout Paradise, Nier, Resonance of Fate, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Just Cause 2, Devil May Cry 4, Bayonetta, Ghostbusters: The Video Game, Grid, Street Fighter IV, Tekken 6, Blur, Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions, Tomb Raider Underworld, Darksiders, Alpha Protocol, Dirt 2, FIFA (every year), X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Quantum Theory etc.

Notice: All the ones that aren't first-person shooters.

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baodeus5576d ago

you guys can disagree all you want (looking at sasanova), so how have those exclusives have longer play time or doesn't have DLC because it was on blueray? Funny, disagree and yet no response as usual to back your claim. It just prove that you are just BS like usual.

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sp1deynut5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

...just another website trolling for hits. They could have just as easily used "It feels pretty good making games on Xbox 360" as their headline, since it's a direct quote from the same article...but we all know nobody would bother clicking that link. ;)

BTW, he never mentioned the PS3, because his statement was in reference to PC development. The 360 consistently trumps the PS3 in multiplatform games, and Bulletstorm is no different.

totallysane5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

because the 360 is always the development console and the ps3 is always the inferior port, glad i have a high end pc, so i can say screw consoles sometimes.

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Anon19745577d ago

"The 360 consistently trumps the PS3 in multiplatform games.."

In your opinion. Since 2008, things started to shift to the PS3 in terms of review scores. 2007, the average review score showed most reviewers thought the 360 had the edge with multiplats. In 2008 reviewers said it was about even, and in 2009-2010 the shift in review scores indicate that the majority of multiplats released are the same, if not better on the PS3.

If you're basing the theory that the "The 360 consistently trumps the PS3 in multiplatform games," ask yourself, where did that idea come from? A couple of sites that claim to do side by side comparisons on only a fraction of the multiplats released? Why would you base your decision on their opinions when hundreds of professional reviewers say differently, and have for some time. It's kinda like believing the science of the one guy on the corner who says the sky is falling when every other scientist says no such thing is happening.

When there is a discrepancy in console games between versions, we see it reflected in overall review scores. Sticking to the old myth that "everything's better on the 360" simply isn't supported.

You've got to ask yourself, what are you basing your opinion on, the one guy yelling on the corner or the multitude of professional reviewers whose job it is to review games for a living?

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jony_dols5577d ago

The best multiplatform game in the past 6 months,
has a superior PS3 version.

*turns back on Dead Space Extraction*

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N4g_null5577d ago

Lol darkrider said professional reviewer lol. This some how trumps your own opinion? Millions of gamers not buying a game is no proof that it's not that good. Only awards from professionals who can be easily bought should be believed. Maybe gaming is closer to being art than we think?

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Shepherd 2145577d ago

Lol at the guy above with Dead Space Extraction.

If you care so much that the PS3 version came with that semi-okay Wii port then more power to ya.

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guigsy5577d ago

Whether they do or they don't, it's a fact that 5 year-old hardware is going to hold developers back to a certain extent. However, to see the quality of games they can still achieve on the 360 is still mind-blowing when you think about it.

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BLACKBOIJONES5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

The title should be "the 360 is holding back every multi plat game" not just bulletstorm

The only thing the 360 can b proud of in terms of graphics is gears of war..Halo games look like shiny plastic.

Active Reload5577d ago

Why would anyone buy a multiplat game for PS3 if they own both consoles or a pc? I agree, Gears 3 is the only game I see that shows what the 360 can do, as far as power. Multiplats performing better on the 360 90% of the time is another story...

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jimbone795577d ago

He was saying that in reference to the PC, the PS3 would be giving them the same limitations seeing as it has the same amount of RAM available.

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hoops5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

If you read the article it mostly refers to CONSOLES holding back development. Not just the Xbox360.

"PC gamers can experience the most cutting edge graphics with upgrades to their graphics components, whereas console gamers get stuck with out of date technology."

Notice they mention of CONSOLES.

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schlanz5577d ago

That's also because most of the time the game was lead on 360 and ported to PS3. The paradigm has shifted and now many games are being led on PS3 and ported to 360 which apparently leads to a lot fewer complications, Dead Space 2 (and pretty much every EA game from here on out if it is not on PC) is a good example of that.

And speaking of Dead Space.... Free Extraction is all I have to say.

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kancerkid5577d ago

How about technology in general holds back developers?

If you would have even taken the time to glance at the article, the dev talks about how having unlimited storage and 128 GBs of RAM would still be a limitation.

But since you did not read the article, you are obviously only here to troll in favor of the PS3 which has the same amount of RAM as the 360, a weaker GPU ( http://www.guruht.com/2008/... and maybe a more powerful GPU (yet to be seen).

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shinrock5577d ago

so you just read the title.

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awiseman5577d ago

Typical ps3fanboy article posters, titling articles for fanboy hits.

schlanz5577d ago

Did you notice it's a 360 site?

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nskrishna25577d ago

Of course he didn't. He is a wise man afterall...

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gamer20105577d ago

But the title on N4G is bullsh!t. Totally does not reflect what was actually said in the article.

Ifone5577d ago

Lol....

So much xbox fanboys denial and lies here, i'm embarrassed for them, it's pathetic to see them really believing that multiplatforms are "better" on xbix, since most of the time it's the same game (and only biased sites like lot find ridiculous differences), and most of all, since ps3 exclusives are way better than that, and xbox exclusives (don't even talk about the variety and quantity killing them each years, ans 2011 more than ever).

Another big denial is about sells, ps3 sold more cinsoles and games, even on the xbox dite vgcgartz, so stop lying to yourself fanboy living in 2006 stupid world.

@the fanboy saying "bububu i have the 2 and play xbox more", you just have bad taste (and don't buy the best gzmes since 3 years), or just buy like
lot of dumb fanboy all the multi on xbox, it prove just you are not a gamer who can trust and listen, and fiesn't change the fact that ps3 has more, and better exclusives (metacritic)...

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chriski3335577d ago

blu-ray

Ifone5577d ago

Not only...

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doa7665577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

by common sense and without naming names, the two consoles are very diffirent with different capabilities, so if a game looks pretty much the same on both then one of the consoles has unused potential and the game was make to look and perform as well as the console with less potentail allow it

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Strikepackage Bravo5577d ago

Articles like this are a result of the fact that PS3 fanboys pretty much own the net right now. Xbox fans spend their free time on XBLive. If you want to survive in gaming news, you have to report things that make PS3 fanboys all giddy.

Its gotten to the point that even xbox sites are making lame attempts to get hits from PS3 fanboys by making negative misleading 360 titles that attract PS3 fans, because instead of playing PS3, most of the fans spend their time trolling the web looking for vindication for their console of choice, and attacking anyone who does not worship Sony along side them.

It really is a pathetic state of affairs, Im not sure who is more pathetic though, the media for selling out to these douche bags, or the douchebag fanboys who actually spend all their free time defending Sony and trashing MS.

2v15577d ago

... mayb ther are more people that like ps3 more and that s why.... mayb b cz ps3 is nexgenaration whit blu-ray and better garpiXXz, and free internet

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xX-PEIN-Xx5577d ago

yeah whatever helps you sleep at night...

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Darrius Cole5577d ago

Is it the whole gaming internet now? I knew it was N4G but have PS3 fans taken most of the gaming internet as a whole?

What a difference a few years makes. I remember when you had to be on a PS3 site to find good PS3 comments and press. Now we have PS3 favoring flame-bait on 360 sites, never cease to amaze.

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nskrishna25577d ago

So it is ok to troll the PS3 but not cool if we return the favor?

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insomnium25577d ago

@ darrius

I still remember how crazy the media and this site was in 2005-2007. No matter how sound opinion you had about something relating to PS3 you were a sony nuthugger end of discussion.

@nskrishna2

I find it extremely funny to read all the comments where the x360 fans try to play the victim in all this. That's effing hilarious.

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gamer20105577d ago

insomnium, you are a liar. You are always trying to peddle that crap about this site once being dominated by 360 fanboys, but it's complete nonsense. Anybody can read the articles from that time and see that there were plenty of PS3 fanboys hating on the 360 back then as well. It wasn't all one sided like it is now.

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Ifone5577d ago

Lol again, they are really living in the opposite world, quality, numbers and facts means nothing for the 5,6 real blind xfanboy with lot of multi accounts....

Gamers can't be blind all the time, and even with the ms viral marketing, biased us medias, fanbiys blog always lying since 2006, real gamers can't ignore best hardware and game, don't be stupid and open your eyes, gamers are not fanbiys when they like the best things and don't lie like the clowns we can read here.

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madjedi5577d ago

@gamer2010 No he isn't, you have a join date of jan 2010, how do you anything about n4g in 2006-2008 exactly.

This place was a huge 360 haven at the start of this gen, and the 360 fanboys treated ps3 owners as bad as ps3 fanboys treat 360 owners now.

You would have to be blind or retarded not to have seen how biased the western media was against the ps3 the first yr or 2.

To all the 360 people upset by the hate/ect shown towards the 360/it's fans, you reap what you sow, next time don't allow your community be a arrogant dick early on.

And maybe the other side won't treat you so shitty, when your console isn't doing as well as it used to.

But if they defending ms and trashing sony it would be worthwhile right strike.

@strike thats like soda aka delbert gradey, cez or rage, or omega 4 ect... calling someone a fanboy. Bud you have been a 360 fanboy for years, no one believe your not one, at least be honest and not try to pretend you aren't one, stfu from one fanboy to another.

The true answer is both sides, pull the same fanboy shit on each other, being hypocritical if it suits there needs, so neither is innocent and both are prejudiced against the other side.

Why the hell are people like strike acting surprised by these behaviors, when this has been the norm for n4g for the past few yrs.

Now to the 360 guys/fanboys boasting about superior multiplatform games, you people are fucking lame when you have an actual exclusive to boast about, then you have a reason to brag

Stop thinking your driving ferrari, when it's actually a ford tempo stop fooling yourself.

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insomnium25577d ago

@madjedi

Great comment!

@gamer2010

There were a few of us who dared to speak their mind. The bad thing is when you did you lost all your bubbles. The same thing happens still just look at darkride's comments. Or Morganfell's. They get marked for trolling while posting the most reasonable and sound truthfull comments. They STILL get the same treatment since the mods remember them from the early days and are butthurt by the fact they were always right from the getgo.

People got so caught up by the media. You wouldn't believe the amounts of doom and gloom articles about "Cell not being any good" and "BD hitting the dirt any day now" and it continued as "DDL wil kill BD" and so on and so on. All the while MS's execs were throwing poop at the general direction of Sony with no reason whatsoever or beating their chests with a win-by-default-situation due to the later launch of the PS3. This was a madhouse and for you to try and downplay it makes the situation now all the more delicious.

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ImmortalLegend5577d ago

When are people going to realize that most consumers do not give a crap about graphics. If that was the case the wii wouldn't be in first place and the 360 wouldn't be in second place. As long as the games look good enough it doesn't matter. Only "hardcore gamers" care about graphics and you guys are outnumbered lol.

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Christopher5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

What a sad and misleading title.

"Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough."

The better and less flamebait title would have been: "Bulletstorm developer admits hardware will always hold them back"

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jadnice5577d ago

Regardless of the content of the article.... its been know for yrs now that the 360 has peaked and cannot produce any improvement from the visuals department. Dont get me wrong... the 350 have some great games I want to play but it just cannot match the PS3 from a graphics, particles and lighting just to name a few.

Dont think I am correct... some me a game... any game that is on the same level as MGS4, KZ2, KZ3 and dare I add the epicness of Uncharted (all of them). Face it Cell processor rules.... O and u need to see the 4 mins of R3.... damn now thats is a real battle zone.

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gamer20105577d ago

MGS4 is nothing impressive. Assassin's Creed, Alan Wake and Dead Space 2 all look better.

Furthermore, Crysis 2 on the 360 looks better than anything I have seen before, so it is obvious that progress is continuing to be made on the 360.

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vishant1015577d ago

i thought alan wake had superb lighting and gears3 easily looks better then mgs4 (i found that boring by the way wasn't as great as the previous ones)but where the xbox wins is value halo is the best value for game i have ever bought im sorry but it is its gameplay is almost flawless and mp just as good as another game and although the graphics dont match the like of killzone i would pick halo over that any day and if the cell processor rules just why is it being maxed out already lets face it both of the hd have been maxed out now but they still have long legs cause they are making games that some how that still amaze us look at the wii maxed out since day one and yet mario galaxy HIGHEST RATED GAME LAST YEAR WAS ON IT

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jadnice5577d ago

Gamer2010 and Mini101... I respectfuly suggest you both get your eyes check. Its already reported that crysis 2 looks very poor on the 360 and we already know the best platform for Crysis 2 and Dead Space 2 is on the PC (which are the versions I have with my badass GPU).

lol I did notice Gamer2010 that you could only attack MGS4 and not the other elite games on the PS3 since nothing on the 360 can compare...

baodeus5572d ago

I suggest all of you to get your eyese check. The forces are strong with these fanboy.

Although at Jadnice:
go and compare games like Resident evil 5 to any game you mention: I haven't seen any game w/ better realistic texture and lighting so far.

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ChrisW5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

I don't get it...

Why does an Xbox fan site put up an article with a Flame-a-licious title, and then feebly make the article sound positive?

Ah... hits!

xAlmostPro5577d ago

Everybody knows this.. like it says though its still been enough to create some great games. I think even microsoft know the limitations are showing now and probably another reason why they have and are going so heavily into kinect.

xtremexx5577d ago

lol he said that it was holding them back then covered it up

MNicholas5577d ago

PC games are a tiny fraction of total game sales despite all that $4.99-$9.99 shovelware clogging up aisles at Walmart and Target.

SpitFireAce855577d ago

Put misleading title... check
Get 150+ comments check
Flame bait article check
Hit 1000 degrees almost

kopicha5577d ago

this article is sh1t.

the devs themselves are just shitty devs that's all. they cant have the capability to properly utilize the hardware then claim it's holding them back. one eg. I personally check out the demo on my 360 and ps3. tbh the 360 does have slight edge in terms of the graphics when compared to ps3. it has better shadows, lighting effect and textures are slightly of higher quality which makes the overall looks more cleaner. if 360 is holding them back and that's what the kind of quality they can deliver with ps3 then all their talks are just bull. let alone the ps3 version this game aside. even this game on 360 looks no where near the quality of games like KZ3, R3 or U3. then why the ps3 version still looks slightly inferior when compared to the 360 version? comparing to titles like halo or gears is a joke. they should just shut up. learn to do a better job before talking. they dont make sense

xboxlj5577d ago

I agree with KillerBBs.
I too have a ps3 and 2 360's. I use my ps3 to watch movies. I use my 360 to play fun games.

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otherZinc5577d ago

This can be proven easily:
IF...

Bullet Storm

is better than

Gears Of War 3

And from the looks of it BulletStorm isn't going to be better than Gears Of War 3.

KotC5577d ago

"Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough."

http://abc-read.com/

Vherostar5577d ago

Seems this is damage control much as the game won't look as good as games like Crysis 2 and RAGE. Really bad the devs feel they needed to do this though.

CrIpPeN5576d ago

yeah the title is misleading.

but Bulletstorm should have been on PC.

are they too lazy to make a better version of the console game?

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GrumpyVeteran5577d ago

Damn consoles.

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TheBossMan5577d ago

Yeah, fuck those guys who like not having to upgrade shit all the time because they're in college and have other shit to do!

SuicideShaun5577d ago

I've had this pc for almost 4 years and all I've done is change the psu because I wanted more watts and got a new graphics card because I wanted it. So your point is?

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TheBossMan5577d ago

Really? Cause my PC is less than 4 years old and can't run shit.

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RememberThe3575577d ago

@TheBossMan

Hahaha same here.

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diehardgamer10005577d ago

lmao!!! its quite funny,cz i neva really understand this eliticist type BS from pc-gamers,having to upgrade the stuff all the time.its really high maintenance n u don really get tht many good games on pc anyway.its actually very commendable tht console developers are able to make such good games on the old console hardware.on pc we have crysis and uh...wat else..lol

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GrumpyVeteran5577d ago

It's not my problem if you're so fucking retarded that you can't have a job in your own time and don't understand the simple process of choosing the correct components to run shit.

Honestly, if your 4 year old PC game can't run anything, you've completely fucked up and are doing it wrong.

Fucking moron.

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Shadow Flare5577d ago

Careful guys, you're making the pc nerd rage out

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doa7665577d ago

by contract obligations multiplatform developers can never admit that a game was help back due to lesser hardware

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xtremexx5577d ago

you gotta love us

TheBossMan5577d ago

Oh, how the "intelligent" PC gamer shows his classiness...

1. I can afford it, cost is not an issue. I just don't see it as being worth my time to do.

2. I know which components are good quality, that doesn't mean I want to go out and buy them to play a couple games that I otherwise couldn't.

3. Telling me that I "completely fucked up and (am) doing it wrong" just because my shitty-ass eMachines can't run a game? I thought you PC gamers were supposed to be the logical ones...

visualb5577d ago

duh...any hardware that isn't absolutely recent holds back devs

hell even PS3 held back GT5

thats the draw back of consoles, no biggie =) great games make it to them year after year anyway

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ActionBastard5577d ago

"When asked 'Five years since Xbox 360 appeared on the market...do you feel that the hardware is stopping you from doing what you'd like?' he said, "Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough." He went on to add, "Seriously, though, it feels pretty good making games on Xbox 360. As you can see with the exclusive titles like Halo and Gears or multiplatform titles like Bulletstorm, the quality is high enough not to feel any pressure for the next generation. People like the current gen, and I think we still have a lot of room for exploration."

Shame the only exclusives ever really mentioned for the 360 are Gears or Halo. That's more telling than anything.

DelbertGrady5577d ago

If you want 360 exclusives go check out the Indie Games Channel. There's like a million of them. I don't get this childish obsession with exclusives that PS3 fanboys like yourself seem to have.

I think it has something to do with the fact that since PS3 multiplats are usually inferior to their 360 counterparts you feel exclusives are the only thing you have left to boast about. Am I right?

nanometric5577d ago

Well, I don't get this childish obsession with multiplatforms that 360 fanboys like yourself seem to have.

I think it has something to do with the fact that since 360 exclusives are usually inferior to PS3, you feel multiplatforms are the only thing you have left to boast about. Am I right?

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littledinosaur5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

XBOX360 is not powerfull than PS3

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Apollyn5577d ago

Kiwi tastes less like grapes than grapes...

WhiteNoise5577d ago

@Apollyn

rofl.

I don't know why people are disagreeing with you.

Kiwi > grapes any day btw.

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SuicideShaun5577d ago

I love kiwi.

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Quagmire5577d ago

Kiwi's are birds.

You like to eat Kiwi birds? What's wrong with you?

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RememberThe3575577d ago

bubbles for being funny.

Wile I'm at it...

Apollyn, bubbles for being funny.

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xtremexx5577d ago

lol

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hellzsupernova5577d ago

Im a kiwi :D

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ReBurn5577d ago

Haha, either someone didn't read the article or...nah, that's it. Someone didn't read the article.

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antboltonboy5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

any console would hold developers back after being out there for 4 or 5 years

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MaggieA5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

why is it misleading? The guy clearly answers a very specific question which the website is now reporting, how is that misleading?

I think what you meant to say is it's too obvious to be mentioned, as someone else has already posted here.

hassi945577d ago

It's misleading because you purposely fixated on the sentence that he said the xbox is limiting them, even though that anything would limit them.

You could've wrote 'top range gaming computers holding bulletstorm back' but you didn't because you knew this title would generate hits and flame wars.

Don't pretend to act innocent and get technical with your explanations, whether it's TECHNICALLY misleading or not, it's obvious you had a negative agenda with this title and it's just pathetic.

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BLACKBOIJONES5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

@antboltonboy If thats what u think i bet GG of killzone will not say that, same as uncharted devs...There games speak for its self.

hoops5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

If thats the case why can't the PS3 like the Xbox360 run JUST 1% or more of its game at 1080p@60 FPS using REAL Anti-Aliasing and higher FP of HDR with tessellation and use all high res textures as opposed to a mix of low res that these console games are littered with? (And I am not talking about PSN or XBL games or HD remakes of last generation games either.

The fact of the matter is, consoles ARE holding back development because of dated hardware regardless if it's the Xbox360 or the PS3. These consoles have only 512megs of memory to work with and have limited bandwidth and dated GPU/CpU's inside. It's a fact.
What game developers can do with that hardware is amazing though and its bloody impressive....games like Gears 3, Uncharted and KZ3 and GOD3 are amazing, however technology wise its dated and it is holding game development back.
A perfect example of this are multi-platform games.
On the PC game devs ALMOST ALWAYS gimp the PC version to keep it in line with the console version. They could add in full DX11 effects from the ground up. Use heavy levels of tessellation. Use higher FP for HDR and add in more post processing effects. But in most cases they don't because the consoles cannot support these features at the same level as a PC.

And the icing on the cake? A 3+ year old game (Crysis 1) still looks better than every console game out now or coming out. I still cannot find ONE Console game that is OPEN world and NOT a corridor shooter that has that level of destruction AND those graphics and is open world. NONE.

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RememberThe3575577d ago

Shut up hoops!

Anyway, Backboi read.

"Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough."

In the context he was speaking of, he was saying that there are always limits. Even PC has it's limits (hoops). It's about working within those limits to see what you can do.

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hoops5577d ago

@Rememberthe357

LOL...What limitations does the PC have for gaming? Just curious ;-)

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karl5577d ago

@hoops

dude.. just stop it.. u seem to think every pc outthere can run crysis at max graphics...

there are so many pcs that cant that u only have crytek doing it.. and they stopped dude... they only made one game and now they are back to consoles and making a game that doesnt even look as good as the first one..

multiplatform games looking better than ps3 exclusives on pc? just lies... u can boost AA ress and textures and what ever u want... polys will probably keep being the same just as all the games effect ... overall ps3 exclusives will still look better

just to be clear... pc is the most powerfull platform.. but u wont see any studios supporting that power...
soo u guys can keep talking about how awesome your pc is.. but the reality is that if crysis didnt exist .. u wouldnt have anything to brag about..

and between bragging about an old crytek game and bragging about many gorgeous looking ps3 exclusives each year... i choose my ps3

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xtremexx5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

good point, but killzone 3?

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WhiteNoise5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Don't want to break any PS3 fangirl hearts...but disk space is basically only good for better audio.

The visuals won't be improved by blu-ray because the GPU in the PS3 is even weaker than the RSX.

No point in having high res textures on disk if the GPU doesn't have the fillrate to put them on screen fast enough.

@DigitalRaptor

The logic of that would be the same as saying "I have a bigger harddrive...now my games run better and at higher resolution"

You see how insane that is. It doesn't matter how much content you can store on disk if the GPU can't render it.

I wonder what naughty dogs excuse is for using 2d tree sprites during the train sequence in UC2....it couldn't be because they are cutting corners just like devs do on 360 becuase BOTH consoles are obsolete could it...no it couldn't be that

Blu-ray makes everything magically better /s

The 55FOV used in console shooters and the linear level design....that's not to save on GPU resources at all is it, or the 2d background and skyboxes used in games....nope, blu ray has bigger storage space therefore everything = :D /s

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DigitalRaptor5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Disk space is better for high quality audio, video, and generally more content. Sometimes high resolution textures and large scale levels benefit from having more disc space.

Blu-ray is just a part of the picture.

SuicideShaun5577d ago

No it actually is just the cutscenes and audio that is on the harddrive. The graphics card and the vram on it is what pushes the graphics.

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duplissi5577d ago

yeah and if everything is uncompressed the gpu/cpu are less taxed by not having to uncompress everything, not only that when you compress something you lose some quality.

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BlackKnight5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

@DigitalRaptor

I don't think you get it. A game on PS3 has 512MB of ram. Bluray is ~50,000mb. So when you play, you can ONLY DISPLAY 512MB of textures (obviously much less than that since RAM is used for sound files, framebuffer, level geometry, model geometry, other forms of buffers like G buffers for deferred rendering, anti-aliasing, etc).

The ONLY thing bluray can provide is MORE levels with DIFFERENT textures. The limit of the resolution of the texture is due to RAM, NOT disc space...

@duplissi

Uncompressed audio and textures (no texture is uncompressed, I assure you) are rarely used. The PS3 may send an uncompressed signal across HDMI but sound files are always compressed because, again, you waste valuable RAM. Cutscenses can have uncompressed sound, its one track. While gameplay needs many sounds loaded into memory at once. It doesn't know when you are going to shoot, walk, crouch, change weapons, hit the brakes, enemy growls, objects bouncing around and body parts hitting different surfaces, etc. You need lots of this in the narrow 512MB of ram, you can't have it sitting on the disc.

That's why you see pop in even on UC2 and other PS3 exclusive games. Pop in is basically swapping down to low resolution textures YOU ARENT LOOKING AT so you can have higher res ones in your available RAM, pop in is the time you have to wait for the PS3/xbox to stream the better texture into ram from the disc, while lowering texture resolution of stuff you aren't looking at.

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B1663r5577d ago

Incorrect, Textures are still limited by the limited ram on the consoles. Bluray does nothing to address this.

Incorrect, uncompressed textures take longer to load (from your slow bluray drive) than compressed textures. decompressing textures takes very little cpu load. Also, you get a lot fewer textures in ram if you load them decompressed.

The only thing I have witnessed the bluray extra space used for this generation is really long cut scenes, and gratitious amounts of uncompressed audio... In multiple languages...

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Marked5577d ago

BlackKnight... what are the 6 available SPUs used for?

BlackKnight5577d ago

@Marked

Taking the load off the RSX (The RSX is slower than the xbox GPU). The SPU's in the Cell are very similar to GPU "cores". For example, instead of the GPU doing depth of field and motion blur in UC2, they have the Cell's SPU's do it. The Cell's SPU's are better for graphics, not so much normal CPU stuff. There are some things it also does, such as decompressing audio, it does that very well.

baodeus5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

@duplissi

then does that mean x360 is twice as powerful because they also need to uncompress the game and ran it as well, while it is less taxing on ps3 due to the blueray?

@blackknight
but can the spu display images or it still have to depend on the GPU to process those which require RAM? oh you already just smack ps3360games about it. LOL, man seriously, do these guys know anything but somehow they talk w/ strong confident. "shrug", empty barrel make louder noise.

LOL, ps3360games ....

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Marked5577d ago

LOL and then LMFAO

EMPTY HEAD

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ps3360games5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

lol the ps3 cpu is 2.5X more powerful than the xbox 360s cpu.

Ps3 can stream textures from the blu-ray disk look at uc2 and kz 2 the textures for the games are streaming from the disk and not from the GPU.

most ps3 exclusives textures are at 720p and most xbox 360 exclusives textures are at 560p

kancerkid5577d ago

I would like to see where you come up with the arbitrary figure of the CPU of PS3 being 2.5x more powerful than that of the 360.

Oh wait, I answered my own question, it is an arbitrary number from someone who doesn't understand the technology.

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BlackKnight5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

@ps3360games

LOL THE TEXTURES ARE STREAMING FROM THE DISC, NOT THE GPU?!?!? The GPU is a GRAPHICS PROCESSING UNIT, IT DOES'T hold texture data! It processes it!

OMFG 720P has NOTHING to do with textures! You are an IDIOT. You have no clue what you are saying. Textures vary from 64x64 and up to (maybe higher) than 4096x4096. You are worse than a youtube comment section...

You have no idea what you are talking about, period. You buy a game. Textures are on the disc. When a level loads (you know the loading screen) it puts textures and sounds and level geometry and model geometry, etc into the RAM. To help get a little better looking textures with limited RAM, devs will load in some textures in full resolution while other textures are lower resolution, when you look away from walls and characters or are really far from the wall or mountain or whatever, they leave a low resolution texture and keep the close, in line-of-sight textures at higher res. when you look at something quickly or move through a game world fast like GTA4 in a helicopter (xbox or PS3) you see pop in, this is the time you have to wait while the DVD/bluray drive streams the higher resolution texture of the stuff you are now getting close to or looking at, and at the same time, the stuff you are no longer looking at or now far away from, DROP to lower resolutions.

I won't even explain the difference of screen resolution and texture resolution. I can't believe you don't understand that. You are not knowledgeable enough to comment on 3D graphics in real time games, literally. Take a class or start ALOT of reading on reputable sites.

How you have 16 agrees at the moment is insane. Fanboys are pathetic.

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Marked5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Sorry WhiteNoise,

Your opinion is like debating whether to shave your balls or not. You could go ahead and waste your time, may even cut yourself accidentally OR you can go full bush because no one will care to look in the first place.

Evidence is the best way to make an argument valid and respectable. At this point, everything you have to say is like eating apples for the arsenic. Enjoy LOVER

I hope you feel fondled.....

bobrea5577d ago

Interesting analogy...

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DeFFeR5577d ago

...right. Wait... what?

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Marked5577d ago

Dont question me.... I'M the idiot here!!

Sorry I have to go now, I hear lint calling from my belly button.

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ReBurn5577d ago

Haha, that's funny!

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BubloZX5577d ago

lol the GPU in the PS3 is the RSX

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Marked5577d ago

There's no need to laugh at anothers ignorance.

You cant expect xbox fanboys to see and know everything about quality. Just like you cant take the blinders off a horse, he'll get spooked and run into on coming traffic.... its sad not LOL s/

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ReBurn5577d ago

This article isn't even about what the title implies.

How funny is that? What's also interesting how the only thing so many people think about is graphics. Game X looks better than game Y, so game X is better. Right guys? Game X must be more awesome because it looks better! Oh, and game X uses more GB's, too! More GB's equals better graphics. And more GB's equals more fun, which makes the game better. Right guys?

This article sets a subtle trap and the usual suspects are falling right into it.

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Xfanboy5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

oh boy. here we go!

When asked 'Five years since Xbox 360 appeared on the market...do you feel that the hardware is stopping you from doing what you'd like?' he said, "Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough. - from article

they are lying though seeing how on pc epic is complete sh!t when using hardware!! :)

@below thanx its from the witcher 2 that I pre-ordered on steam!!

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Apollyn5577d ago

Nice avatar!

Apollyn5577d ago

I'm aware I'm a massive Witcher fan. The Witcher 1 is also the best game I've played in 3D . Can't wait for the sequel

Ben Dover5577d ago

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Apollyn5577d ago

*facepalm*

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Spinal5577d ago

Can anyone else hear the rumbling? the trampling of feet coming towards this article? loool The sony fanboys are coming! look out!!!

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WhiteNoise5577d ago

Trampling indeed, the fat little kids always eat too much of mum's cake you see ;)

Living at home, being spoon fed...I can't understand why they are brand loyalists, it's not like they spend their own money on games...

Studio-YaMi5577d ago

Cry MOAR ~

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Kewl_Kat5577d ago

insecure much?

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Spinal5577d ago

lol I have all platforms. Trust me im looknig forward to killzone 3 in a few weeks an hopefully this year Diablo 3 and Gears 3 :) its a good year for the all platform owning Gamer :)

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m23455577d ago

spinal, hat doesn't excuse you for being a fanboy yourself does it?

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gamer20105577d ago

Nope, calling out fanboys doesn't make you a fanboy, despite what the fanboys say.

When you have all the consoles and you say good and bad things about all of them you are not a fanboy. If you consistently and actively bash one console all the time and praise another you are a fanboy.

TardcoreGamer5577d ago

This is a flame-bate article if I ever saw one..

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Studio-YaMi5577d ago

It is,I don't even understand how this could be approved :\ !

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MsmackyM5577d ago

Bulletstorm looks like a Wii game, so how is the 360 holding them back.

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Cajun Chicken5577d ago

No offense, but People Can Fly IS using the Unreal Engine. Could it just be that the Unreal engine is getting tired?

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IRetrouk5577d ago

to be fair, the limitations of the unreal engine have been seen from day 1, textures taking 15 seconds to load, to pop up, its got better but still has probs, you can only do so much with this gens hardware. people ask for more power but moan when the price isnt right for them, you have to pay top dollar for top tech, either way the next round will soon begin.

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teething5577d ago

flame-bait.

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Lamarthedancer5577d ago

You know for the people going "Oh here comes the PS3 fanboys" etc you do realise if it said something bad about the PS3 then the Xbox fanboys would do the same thing

It works both ways

Daz5577d ago

But you have to amit theres more of one group then the other. But they are sad has each other, they just keep pointing fingers at each other.

Its like you done this so i got to do it back :P its Like a big school playground :P

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IRetrouk5577d ago

to be honest though, you know as well as i do, that one group from 06 until 08 or 09 constantly bashed one console, you have been here from 06 so you should remember what this site was like, just deserts is what i would call it.

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Daz5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

well its been happening before that and when this site was made, check other sites. Then this site was made and lalot moves tto here.

But the point is, yes that certain group did bash in 06 to 09 on this site but why to the other group need to go as low has them? There just as childish if they need to do the same thing.

Whers the good old days of gaming. ;/

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SnakeMustDie5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Indeed, just like they said in the article the 6-year old console is holding the development of gaming because it is already a very old outdated tech.

Wikkid6665577d ago

The day any tech is released to the general public... it's out data. Period

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SirRunic5577d ago

UH OH!

denero15577d ago

people don't let the title fool you read first he saids basically after a couple of years down the road the limitations become more apparent because of newer tech

AK465577d ago

@ Whitenoise

"I wonder what naughty dogs excuse is for using 2d tree sprites during the train sequence in UC2....it couldn't be because they are cutting corners just like devs do on 360 becuase BOTH consoles are obsolete could it...no it couldn't be that"

hmm, I noticed 3d trees along the rails and 2d sprite rendering behind the 3d trees. It makes totally sense to me. Why use extra resources when they don't have to.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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bobrea5577d ago

This is such a misleading article title. Here is what he says:

When asked 'Five years since Xbox 360 appeared on the market...do you feel that the hardware is stopping you from doing what you'd like?' he said, "Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough." He went on to add, "Seriously, though, it feels pretty good making games on Xbox 360. As you can see with the exclusive titles like Halo and Gears or multiplatform titles like Bulletstorm, the quality is high enough not to feel any pressure for the next generation. People like the current gen, and I think we still have a lot of room for exploration."

Seriously, n4g people. Please, please, PLEASE stop this. all article titles like this do is fuel the fanboy hate cancer on this site.

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theonlylolking5577d ago

Its not misleading. He said its holding them back. In fact he said no matter what they will be held back. That includes the 360.

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bobrea5577d ago

You missed the entire point of my post then.

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CrimsonEngage5577d ago

This is pretty hilarious. I own all platforms. (True i do favor the 360 due to LIVE and the controller) However, the 360 isn't holding anything back. Look at RAGE. It looks far greater than anything that's been released on consoles yet. You will never see the same texture twice and it's running at a solid 60 FPS on the 360. Perhaps Unreal Engine needs to take a nice nap or Epic need's to hire people who know how to optimize their game engine?

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IRetrouk5577d ago

rage is nothing special my friend, all it is is high res textures, look at the actual models and you will see they are all low polyon models. people always hyping these games as the next best thing, no multiplatform game will ever have the best graphics on consoles ever, to many diffrent engines to work on, they will look good across the board, but best ever on a console, no.

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theonlylolking5577d ago

You only think Rage on xbox 360 looks awesome because you have not played enough on PC or PS3. PC and PS3 gamers are spoiled with graphics but xbox gamers are not. So you guys believe it looks amazing when PC and PS3 gamers see rage on xbox and see fail.

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N4g_null5577d ago

Lol he puts ps3 in the same boat when we know pc code runs better on guess what an xbox. Yet it's true the specs for the consoles just are not right for true hd gaming.

gypsygib5577d ago

So you've played the unreleased Rage on your 360?

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GoldPS35577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

360 held a lot of games back. I'm not gonna name any. Most people already know them.

*cough FF13 cough*

Saryk5577d ago

Another opinionated article that has nothing to do about anything.

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gypsygib5577d ago

Is that why PS3s exclusives are in a league of their own.

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SuperStrokey11235577d ago

Please actually read it before commenting guys, anyways what he says makes 100% sense.

citan5577d ago

I don't need to read the article. I played Alan Wake and Halo:Reach. Those games are fun but technically speaking they look 3 years old if you look at textures. Alan Wake uses nice shading to compensate but when you see the houses' interior at day, textures cry of old. Reach uses some really nice AA and smoothing so it doesn't show off but the result is cartoon-style graphics. X360 could spawn more but nobody cares. Devs are just milking cows like CoD which people buy even if graphics is 5-year old.

I hoped for Crysis 2 being a step forward but it's not. Maybe Rage? Well, I don't care anymore for X360 anyway.

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Roozium5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Both Xbox 360 and PS3 are outdated as f**k. Console war - ended.

rjgbyrne5577d ago

I agree but they have some juice left in them and Microsoft and Sony are better off waiting until Sandy Bridge chips are sorted before releasing a new one. Heck I bet MS go down the Sony route and release totally unproven tech. just like Kinect for thr next gen but it is a good few years away as both consoles have sufficient power for todays games. I did think this article was very misleading and "MaggieA" sould correct the title to reflect the article. Nowadays news is reported with a very twisted slant, MaggieA in my opinion... you're a Muppet!

MaggieA5577d ago

Problem here is people are reading the headline and getting this instead.

Xbox is holding back development but PS3 isn't. WRONG!

Xbox is inferior to PS3 and holding PS3 back even though he didn't even mention PS3.

The readers (those who are here) are creating their very own flame war, not the comments from Adrian and not the article and its headline.

Thanks for showing maturity by name calling though.

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B1663r5577d ago

No longer state of the art, but not out of date... Can developers tell the types of stories they want to tell with this tech? Yes. Has the old hardware caused people to stop buying them or the software? No.

The point is... They still work, and they both are capable of making fun games.

As far as I am concerned, you can make a game with great graphics, but the game can still be a snorefest. See Farcry 2.

Anyhow, if they were to release a new console at this point, most people could not tell the difference, and it will be at least a few years before there is a new console. Probably not before there are a bunch of breakthroughs on the content creation side of things, so that they can make content much more cheaply than they can now.

bozebo5577d ago

"The point is... They still work, and they both are capable of making fun games."

Agree.

Der_Kommandant5577d ago

Xbox + Unreal Engine = 2006

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OC_MurphysLaw5577d ago

Wow...way to post up the flame bait title MSXbox-World...seriously.

Here is the real take away from the article instead of what the title will spark in the flame wars. To quote the developer from the article: "When asked 'Five years since Xbox 360 appeared on the market...do you feel that the hardware is stopping you from doing what you'd like?' he said, "Yes, but any developer in the world will ALWAYS say that, no matter what. We could have 128 GB of RAM and it still won't be enough." He went on to add, "Seriously, though, it feels pretty good making games on Xbox 360. As you can see with the exclusive titles like Halo and Gears or multiplatform titles like Bulletstorm, the quality is high enough not to feel any pressure for the next generation. People like the current gen, and I think we still have a lot of room for exploration."

Article titles like this peice piss me off... Its mis-leading and done just to get hits for their site.

Whats sad is its a great interview but their decision to try and pull people in with that BS title just angers me now.

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Pootangpie5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Bioware claimed that Mass effect 2 was going to be better due to using a future engine for Mass effect 3 and we all know how that turned out now this doesn't make me hate bulletstorm I'm still buying it regardless sorry but if people on here are 2 retarded or delisiounal to see that the PS3/360 hardware are paratically %99.9 identical

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byeGollum5577d ago

Spot on.. but its too late, many have been misinformed, and some are sheep. That's just the way it is lol ..

Condemnedman5577d ago

quick fanboys get your peckers out and have a W@nk
You must be really turned on by that title :D

sickbird5577d ago

haha misleading title much?

KaiokenKid5577d ago

Read the article, he said any devloper will say this about nay hardware. Honestly, I want to get games where there better at, and as long as that usualy is the 360, ill keep getting them there.

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byeGollum5577d ago

yeah I made a mistake buying multiplatform games on ps3, never again.. getting a 360 for Multiplatform gaming which is about 90% of games on both consoles.

ButterBomb5577d ago

Way to take a quote out of context and turn it into flame bait.

"As you can see with the exclusive titles like Halo and Gears or multiplatform titles like Bulletstorm, the quality is high enough not to feel any pressure for the next generation. People like the current gen, and I think we still have a lot of room for exploration."

You could of said "Bulletstorm developer admits Xbox hardware has a lot of room for exploration".

Silverfang23405577d ago

It really is a shame to see a system with such LOW SPECS (Xbox 360) hold back a supercomputer (PS3). Just look at Final Fantasy, on both consoles, 360 needed 3 DISCS!

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byeGollum5577d ago

funny you call the ps3 a super computer, when they are both equally outdated lol..

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BrianG5577d ago

While I agree that both are outdated.

The PS3 is actually used for making supercomputers, by putting them in clusters.

Also, not all computers have a processor as powerful as the PS3. So I would argue the GPU is clearly outdated, but the CPU, not so much.

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SkyGamer5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Brian you do realize that the cell is still a single core cpu and that Apple shot down the sony guys when they tried to get them to use them in macs? How about the fastest computer in the world in China does not use a cell processor. Oh and back to your statement, you have to put A LOT of ps3's together to be powerful, duh! Anytime you put a lot of PC's together, it will be powerful. BTW my PC rig would blow the socks of any current gen console and I am only running a quad-core. Oh and don't forget the 256 mb of ram, albeit it is quick still not enough.

GeForce 470GTX
16 GB DDR3-1600 OC to DDR3-2000
1x 640 GB SATA3
1x 2 TB Green
1x 1.5 TB Green
Phenom2 965 BE OC to 4
Zalman 9950
Antec 902
Asus Mobo with USB3, SATA3, AM3, DDR3
Viewsonic 22" 2ms Full HD
ACER 22" 5 ms 100,000 to 1 Contrast Full HD
G15

The list could go one but that is more than enough to run circles around the ps3 several times over.

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BrianG5577d ago

I understand it is a single core processor, but it is very powerful. I know there are more powerful CPU's out there, but the Cell has its special place.

Which is why it is being used to create supercomputer clusters. That combined with the fact that the PS3 is cheap.

And your example is powerful, but thats not every computer. The PS3 and Cell are more powerful than all my computers. I have a Dell tower, old school, and slightly newer IBM. And I have a Dell laptop with a dual core processor. See, not everyone has a powerful rig.

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Kon5577d ago

LMAO I've never saw an Outdated piece of hardware being called a supercomputer. Really, you're disgusting.

ME19895577d ago

Misleading title is misleading.

Shadowolf5577d ago

Not a suitable title for an article that reads contrary to the assumption. Let's try to be a bit more professional with our gaming journalism.

byeGollum5577d ago

the headline is for fanboys, so they can give hits, and so they will

NMC20075577d ago

No kidding? You mean that console that came out 6 years ago isn't improving? It isn't getting more powerful? It can't be upgraded? Wuuuuuuuuuuuuut? No shit. -_- Guess what?

Nobody seems to be ready for another console shift, so until then I think devs should just do what they can until the bus to the next gen town arrives.

If you have a problem with the X360 holding back your awesomeness then make PC & PS3 games exclusively and watch the money roll in.

CanadianTurtle5577d ago

Well, they should've thought of that before developing on the 360 first...

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NMC20075577d ago

Nah, devs like to do something and then talk shit after they are done and expect the fans of said console to give them money, I am not talking about this situation in particular but this happens way too much in this industry.

Clarence5577d ago

Your smoking. I have a 360 and yes gears looks good but it is now where close to the exclusive games that the ps3 puts out. As far as 2006 games KZ2 game looked better than that trailer. Alan wack used smoke to cover for it's less attractive graphics. PS3 games continue to evolve. Ucharted 1,2, now 3. I have yet to hear naughty dog say that the ps3 is holding them back. The same goes with the infamous developers. Gears 2 looks slighty better than 1. Any large game that comes out on the 360 takes more than 1 DVD. While it only takes one for the PS3. So yes the 360 hardware is holding developers back.

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xtremegamerage5577d ago

CEZ i played gears of war on PC at a higher rez then 360 and the game is not that good tbh. Gameplay wise is ok.

Graphically Uncharted 1 destroys it, Uncharted 2 stamps on gears 1&2.

BShea5577d ago

What incredibly blatant and shameful link baiting for hits.

duplissi5577d ago

pointless article is pointless

The real killer5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

He don't mention the PS3 only 360 hey complain about it.
Consoles don't have also to do with with differend consoles but also more 360's and that's write console's. (more 360's)

PS3 games beat all the crap out of multiplat, even PC games get compareed with PS3 eclusive game, so if you trying to spinning some facts, do better je home work next time becouse you fail hard.

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Pledius5577d ago

I just got baited.

divideby05577d ago

such a misleading title...
BAN the approver and web site for awhile.
N4G needs to stop this type of stuff

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Karum5577d ago

I really hope people read the article before commenting on this one, reading the title alone is a little misleading.

LMS5577d ago

Both consoles are holding the pc back somewhat....and ALL Mulitiplats look WAYYYYY better on PC!!!

delicious, crisp, beautiful 1080, 1200 or 1600p

32x anti aliasing eliminating all ugly jaggies and artifacts

full screen space ambient occlusion giving true depth

true soft shadowing

dx10 and 11

blazing fast loading times

no pop-in

so yes, the 360 holds the ps3 back in somecases, but the ps3 AND 360
hold devs back from making something truely astounding on pc sometimes.

But multiplats are ALWAYS best played on pc

free maps and mods and total conversions make this true even without the graphics which are ALWAYS better!!

TheTruth895577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Killzone, Uncharted, inFamous 2 and Resistance 3.
All looks better than your PC game.

MLAA > AA

ambient occlusion giving true depth? What about the real 3D that ps3 has? (PC too of course)

blazing fast loading times?
oh well, uncharted, killzone and resistance has no loading times at all (only 20/30 sec initial loading)
regards the mod support.... Unreal 3 has it (on ps3) xD
devs don't put mods support because 360 XBL policy doesn't allow mods, and.. they can't make a mod-less 360 version

LMS5577d ago

ummm....WRONG

killzone 2 and 3 look exactly the same, both have muddy vasiline look(the below 720p buffers they use...read;sub Hd)

uncharted 2 and god of war 3 look good, but have static backrounds and GoW3 has a fixed camera

Metro 2033 SHITS on everyone of them visually

BFBC2 DX11 SHITS on everyone of them visually

Crysis 1 and warhead destroy killzone, uc2 and gow3

Stalker clear sky SHITS on everyone of them visually

Stalker CoP SHITS on everyone of them visually

not to mention

STARCRAFT 2 is the best game ever created

and mods and free maps make pc gaming always win...sorry

have fun with unreal3 @600p

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TheTruth895577d ago

KZ2 look like KZ3? damn man, you really need 400 pair of glasses.

And no, noone of the game you listed shits on Uncharted 3, or KZ, or Resistace or GoW.

Bounkass5577d ago

Lol, they're not the first...

Firstkn1ghT5577d ago

This is the type of article that brings out the illiterate and the ignorant.

Reading is fundamental.

rjgbyrne5577d ago

Apologies mate, I assumed the headline was yours and not the source documents. Am really sorry. As for Xbox being inferior, I disagree, disk space is the only thing you could fault it for but otherwise I see them both on par and the graphics card is twice as flexible as the PS3. Cell is working to the PS3 advantage but not nearly as much as it does for Xbox. I play very few games on my PS3 and really use is for my blue ray collection, for movies is blows anything else out of the water, but for games I am finding the Xbox catalogue more exciting. Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid and Resistance 2 have been real disappointments to me. God of War 3 was great and I loved Infamous and Uncharted but I found myself always going back to my xbox. I am a ‘fan’ of both machines and Sonys done a great job with psn but you still get what you pay for. As for development of games though, xbox is doing fine, if Bulletstorm has graphics as good as any previous Unreal game, it should be good if the gameplay matches but if they somehow muck it up… they are not the developers they think they are! (Starwars pun intended)

hassi945577d ago

Flame-bait bullshit.

The interviewer was looking for something that could be twisted, the bulletstorm developer said he'd say he's held back even if he had 128gb of ram (etc.).

Haseo1065577d ago

The end of Xbox360 is coming!

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bluegreenman5577d ago

Guys seriously.. you are embarrassing. The console war is an imaginary one. both consoles have great games so shut the fuck up and play your console of choosing. Stop acting like little kids. There are more important issues in this world than which console is better. I love video games.. but the community is embarrassing. Bunch of pimply teens arguing about this made up war that doesnt even matter.

hankmoody5577d ago

Ridiculous. The title says one thing and then you read the article and that's not even the case.

Threesix5577d ago (Edited 5577d ago )

Only got big because it's negative Xbox 360 press.

Also wow, what a title.

IHateYouFanboys5577d ago

lol @ people who dont read and comprehend the article.

yes, they say the 360 is holding them back. but they also indirectly say that the PS3 is holding them back - theyre not just talking about the 360. they say that ALL fixed hardware configurations hold developers back, which they do. if you have 128GB of RAM available, youll use all that and then want more because that 128GB isnt enough. if you have a quad core 4ghz processor, youll stretch that to its limits and want a faster one.

but the thing is, developers need limits to get a finished product out the door. this was the problem with games like duke nukem forever - the developers kept finding new engines/tech that they wanted in the game, so they kept re-writing and upgrading. by the time theyd finished the re-write, more new stuff came out, so they decided theyd re-write AGAIN to get that tech in the game. here we are like 14 years later and still no Duke Nukem Forever.

still, articles like this are good in a way - they allow you to pick out and ignore/de-bubble all the idiot fanboys who dont actually read the article, just the headline, as the blatantly misleading title just automatically think its about something completely different. its like some guy i saw yesterday complaining about Black Ops and how he stopped playing it after 4 days because of the bugs and that he got to level 65 in multiplayer so he knows what hes talking about. guess he shouldve read up a bit so he could find out that you stop at level 50 in black ops lol.

Tigan5577d ago

Troll bait.

bunfighterii5577d ago

Not a surprise. Like he said, most developers would say that about all the hardware out there. Remember how Kojima said he was limited by the PS3 with MGS4 some 3 years ago?

jalen2475577d ago

Why am I not surprised...

Hyperbomb695577d ago

Why do people still have 360's anyway? get with the times!!

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Trroy5577d ago

So.. they want everyone to own a supercomputer so they aren't "held back" as much?

O.. K...

bagle995577d ago

HAHAHAHA SUCK ON THAT XBOX 360 FANBOY FAGGOTS!!!!
PC OWNS YOU

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xstation795577d ago

Pc doesn't own anything. Nothing but shitty software sales and pirates

Tigan5577d ago

that's so true.

ASSASSYN 36o5577d ago

Say the 360 is actually holding back the ps3. So damn what. I do not care. Not my problem being I do not own a ps3. No sympathy still for you kids who have been playing that card since the ps3 launched.

rlm415577d ago

I completely agree who gives a shit?? PS3 loyalists? I don't care. I play fun exclusives and multiplats on my 360 that's all i care about.

Manberg9005577d ago

yay another 360 bashing article.....

Kichiguy5577d ago

I would be perfectly happy with all 3 consoles for at least another 3 years. People have to realize that costs are increasing, and developers and console manufacturers have to make their money back before moving onto the next generation.

Graphics are great, but they aren't everything. Learn to like games more for their gameplay/story.

lilmetal5577d ago

Any great game should start in imagination land.
Where there are no limits to hardware.
Where the developers can do literally anything they want.
All of the otherworldly things one could think of.

Obviously, this world doesn't exist.
Thus, their forced to degrade their dream to something more realistic.

That's how it has always worked.
Not just games, but anything.
The human mind is the most powerful thing in existence.
There'll never be any hardware that can recreate it. XD

chewmystink5577d ago

Yawn, ps3 kicks any current console just admit it.

initial_kay5577d ago

what else is new?

D3athc3ll5576d ago

Look, we all know xbox isnt as powerfull as the ps3!! But holding back? What r the devs to lazy to work on each console differently?

Yea ps3 exclusives beats xbox and all pc games except crysis!

I do believe Gears of War 3 will outdo most ps3 games in graphics!

Im owner of both consoles and a pc, so they r all great! Xbox aint holding back anything! The devs talk shit! Or they not decent devs!!

if its the disk space they r concerned about, use more dvd's ffs!!

Rather have a decent game with 4 dvds than a fuckup and 1 dvd!!!