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Should you be able to ‘mod’ your games console?

Which? Convo: Sony recently took legal action against a number of ‘hackers’ after they released security codes for the PlayStation 3. It says that this will enable owners to play pirated games, but is suing them the right approach?

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NYC_Gamer5472d ago

its legal to mod/jail break the machine you brought

Nate-Dog5472d ago

And considering the price of most consoles like these nowadays you certainly should be allowed to do that. I don't see Sony taking action against people doing this with PSPs. (Yeah I know it's easier to do and harder to find, still counts though.)

DualConsoleOwner5472d ago

It is what people do after JBing their console.

at least 95 percent of them use it for pirating games which is very illegal.

JoySticksFTW5472d ago

I'd love to mod my PS3 just to backup games to harddrive like 360.

My 360 is whisper quiet ever since this feature was implemented, but the real benefit is less wear.

I don't want to my PS3 bluray drive to burn out

I don't even download illegal music, so I'm not even thinking about illegal games

Ryudo5472d ago (Edited 5472d ago )

Look there are a lot bigger problems then Piracy in the world, if you really want to do something to help the games industry stop buying/trading in used games.

That does a lot more damage to the pockets of the publishers you quite clearly care about.

That way they can have 4 super cars instead of just 2, Piracy and homebrew is not the enemy. People are all to quick to blindly follow the media like sheep.

Look Piracy all but stopped PC development now it's back stronger then ever, Piracy simply evolves a platform it doesn't destroy it the PC is proof of that.

less then 1 percent of the PS3 market is currently effect by Piracy as much as 50 percent is currently effected by the sale and trade in of used games yet I don't see any moral stances on that.

I honestly think the so called "moral" stances against piracy are people that don't like the fact the next person is getting free games.

All I here on N4G is Piracy is the enemy it's simply not and never was to being with, People have a serious issue of not being able to think for themselves.

There told piracy is bad and they role with it they do very little to think of the reasons behind such accusations.

Piracy is everywhere every single one of you have performed an act of Piracy at some point intentional or unintentional. And most of the people telling you piracy is morally wrong are the same people earning 10x your wage packet.

You guys seriously need to wake up, Piracy this Piracy that it's pathetic what about are basic fundamental human fucking rights. I bought the console it belongs to me I will do whatever the fuck I like with it.

bananlol5472d ago

I do believe that more games would be sold if the second hand market was terminated then if piracy wanished. Japan did that, perhaps they still do, and they got a beatable verson of battletoads so perhaps it works.

Eamon5472d ago

Hmm, one smart method Sony should take is enable the feature to install the HDD just like MS did.

It would deter the genuine people who use backup manager for legal backups away from using CFW since the console already has that feature.

Microsoft did it (most likely for that reason and because of the complaints of disc scratches) so Sony should do it too.

NoobSessions5472d ago

If it doesnt involve piracy, and inadvertently hurting devs, I dont see it why it would be an issue at all.

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techie5472d ago

OK, so explain the lawsuits? Would Sony go about it if they knew they were going for an inevitable loss?

Ducky5472d ago

.... because all lawsuits by a multi-million company end in them winning? O.o

techie5472d ago

That's not true. Maybe in the US, but from what I know in the UK, it's the individuals who mostly win out.

Darkfocus5472d ago

sony doesn't even need to win they just need to outlast him and make the suit last as long as possible..... microsoft takes on suits it knows it'll lose all the time, they just wait for the guy suing them to run out of money rather than actually trying to win....

Eamon5472d ago

I think the law system isn't that under-developed nowadays so the rich can win simply by wasting time.

badz1495472d ago

oohh...real life is so not agreeing with you there. there are more cases where big corporations lose in court than winning them!

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ME19895472d ago

@DualConsoleOwner

Problem isn't people buying guns. It's what people do after buying their guns.

Really that argument isn't that sound. Yes, it's true most use it to pirate games. But you can't legally stop something just because someone COULD do something illegal with it afterwards.

bodybombs5472d ago

its like saying they should sell guns because people sometimes kill people with guns

t0mmyb0y5472d ago

Its a computer. Can you mod your computer???

Tony-Red-Grave5472d ago

but hack games' online isn't nor is playing pirated games. you can mod to make it better but not to mess around with the online, which hey you don't own.

Arksine5472d ago

That ruling only applied to smartphones. It didn't even include the ipad.

In the future console jailbreaking may very well be ruled legal, but for the moment it is not.

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kneon5472d ago

At the moment modding your console to bypass the security and run unauthorized software is not legal, the DMCA may yet be changed to include game consoles but right now it's still not legal.

But even if they make modding your console legal, that doesn't mean that publishing parts of the consoles software (like the root key) is legal. That is still under copyright so what geohotz did is most likely going to get him in the end.

solar5472d ago

NYC_Gamer is correct. it's a slippery slope once you tell consumers what they can/cannot do with the product they bought. consumers should not be at the mercy of the manufacturers.

Sano645472d ago

Great read, thanks for posting it

andron5471d ago

You can do whatever you like to your console, but if you take it online and mess up others game play experience then it's a different matter altogether.

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AKA5472d ago

yessssss, i hope the ps4 is open for mods, i was reading that hackers use pc mods on the ps3 games and they kind of work but its not 100%perfect.

Darkfocus5472d ago

I think people are just disagreeing with you because of the negative stigma attached to any sort of hacking on this site...despite the fact that there's lots of good things that come from it too like mods and fan translations(all those japan only tales games will eventually get translated by fans :D)

AKA5472d ago (Edited 5472d ago )

true, like like know saw the news that you can download any psn game and dlc for free.
''i'm tempted, but i will not do it until maybe the ps4 comes out, sony owns me over $300 in sending two times my ps3 for repair, pluss a lot of save games that i lost and a sd memory card with pictures that i lost forever''
http://ps3pirata.com/topic1...

TacoTaru5472d ago

That would be fine, but when Steam type or some other strict type of DRM happens don't complain. Your copy of your game will be registered to your account. No more used game market. Maybe internet connection required to play at all. Intellectual Property must be protected somehow. It's one of those things you can't have both ways.

CrzyFooL5472d ago

Fuck yeah I wana put rims on my PS3

techie5472d ago

And spray it with a killer stripe.

Quagmire5472d ago

Lol bubs+

Thats the thing. Its alright to buy a car second hand, and its alright to mod your car, yet when it comes to buying games second hand and modding your OWN console, companies go ape-crap

Pedantic915472d ago

But if it leads to piracy, then no.
Im all for homebrew, but when you hear someone's tinkering with hardware, it's not wrong to assume it will probably lead to piracy.

Godmars2905472d ago

Still, the thing is some modders got started because of wanting to play region locked titles. That's why I did it to my SNES and PS1, but then I still bought the games legally.

And of course today those games are on PC emulators.

techie5472d ago (Edited 5472d ago )

I wonder if that's why Sony let games from any region play on the PS3 - to stop piracy. Again with the Linux - I bet it was the intention to stop the need for piracy. I bet it was just the heads of the company that got cold feet, not PlayStation folk.

Godmars2905472d ago

The Linux thing was probably a half-hearted attempt that might have lead to PS3 related home made apps.

I say half hearted because Kutaragi or Harrison were likely behind it. With neither no long at Sony anymore.

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RAM Price Increases Could See Next-Generation Console Releases Delayed

Insider Gaming has learned that the ongoing price increases in RAM due to the rise in AI could delay the next generation of console releases.

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slate9117d ago

What is even the incentive of upgrading to the next-gen after this console generation we've had? Graphics are plateauing, prices at an all time high, studios skipping entire generations or simply releasing just one game for it...
Its a mess

Jin_Sakai17d ago

Been gaming all my life. This is the worst generation ever.

jznrpg17d ago

How do you gauge each generation? There has been a lot of really good games this gen. I only care about the games. First party hasn’t been the best but the generation isn’t over yet

DarXyde16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

jznrpg,

Thing is, every generation before this one has had something that defined console identity. Very little beyond bigger/more detailed games and performance modes are really there.

I feel the last generation that cared very much was gen 7; Capcom's darkest era, but I have to give them props for being really experimental at the time. We saw plenty of new games that still tried to do something new. Outside of Metaphor and Clair Obscur, this gen has been pretty forgettable if you ask me. I'm sure a lot of it is the corporatization of the industry and the creative talent has to keep making sequels and spiritual successors because the cost of development is out of control. But even then, plenty of these experiences are experiences we've had already. And the thing is. Switch 2 and PSVR2 could really be doing incredible things, but it's just not there. Xbox I just don't see the value or point anymore but that's just me.

anast16d ago

Why has is been the worst? I've been gaming all my life and this gen. has been one of the best.

Vits17d ago

Not to mention that just like this generation, the next one will also be shared between the current and next gen console at least for a couple of years. So the few titles that it will had, just like this one, will run on the console you already have.

franwex16d ago

We will be getting games on PS4, PS5, and PS6, haha.

Extermin8or3_15d ago

I think people have to remember the pandemic at start of this gen and how it effected game development. This next gen we will see the PS4 etc support dropped and truly see the full utilisation of SSD's improvements to ray and path tracing and the impact of AI upscaling etc will be where the biggest improvements will come from.

isarai_lee16d ago

My sentiments exactly, next gen has got to prove it's worth before i buy into it this time. This has been the weakest generation in my 30yrs of gaming. From the drawn out cross gen garbage, to so many games getting stuck in development hell or canceled, to the ABSURD levels of trend chasing to the point of self destruction, this gen just wasn't worth it

thorstein16d ago

I'm pretty sure I've already read a story that said Playstation is only halfway through this console's generation and that PS6 is a way off.

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darthv7217d ago

Im good with next gen being pushed back to 27/28. It feels like this gen has only just begun.

Melankolis17d ago

Covid-19 held back everything at least 2 years worth. Although many people disliked, i think only UE5 can generally distinguish this gen from the previous one.

DarXyde16d ago

UE5 is definitely impressive, but I would also give the nod to the current version of Decima, at least the way it looks for Death Stranding 2.

CornholioX16d ago

That's normal how you think. Time goes faster when you're older and i bought my PS5 since day 1 release and now it's 5 years old. I don't mind a year delay to release PS6 in holiday 2028.

DoubleYourDose16d ago

Tomorrow isn't promised to any of us.

Eonjay16d ago

I was under the impression that next gen wasn't coming till 2027.z u9gsq

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victorMaje17d ago

Regardless of RAM price increases, I strongly believe there’s still a lot of potential left for the current gen. I’d be fine with at least 3 more years.

jznrpg17d ago

Whenever it comes out is fine with me. I still have backlog for the next year at least

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Bad Robot Games Teams With Sony

This is interesting and unexpected news as Sony and Bad Robot Games are partnering.

-Foxtrot43d ago

Was excited until I saw “an unannounced four-player, cooperative shooter”

Christopher43d ago

It's from the same guy who made L4D. Wouldn't expect anything otherwise.

-Foxtrot43d ago

I just thought since Back 4 Blood didn’t set the world on fire and died pretty quickly support wise he might have done something a little different.

StoneTitan42d ago

awesome, cooperative games are great

Scissorman42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

@Foxtrot The creator of L4D, Mike Booth, didn't have anything to do with Back for Blood, and that's probably why it didn't set the world on fire. This new project just might be the successor we've been waiting for.

JEECE42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Gosh it would be so nice to have a true successor to L4D 2. Back 4 Blood introduced nearly every annoying, unnecessary aspect of multiplayer game design from the last ten-ish years, while simultaneously making the gameplay and world less interesting than L4D. Ironically I think it didn't actually have MTs, despite feeling like it was designed to sell them.

Sadly, I just can't see a true successor coming out now. I'd happily be wrong, but I bet this will have a hub world, multiple progression systems, multiple currency systems, skins, heros/operators/specialists, and battle passes, and the speed of the game will be toned down from L4D2, just like B4B was.

Whitey2k42d ago

I shall keep an eye on this. Expecially if Mike booth is involved Left for dead 1 & 2 was amazing on pc.

Should be left for dead 3

More enemies and boss battles
More maps and missions
Also bring back like the witch and tank and other nasty top dogs

JEECE42d ago

The "PC" feel is one of the key reasons B4B doesn't match up to L4D. L4D is clearly designed for mouse and keyboard, and the speed of the game reflects that (this is why it never felt quite right on 360 and the devs had to add in that "quick turn" feature to compensate). Meanwhile B4B is slowed down to better suit playing with controllers. Unfortunately this game will likely be the same, given the PS5 version.

And yes you are right the specials were so lame in B4B compared to L4D.

Whitey2k40d ago

That's because the 360 didnt support mouse and keyboard. Now we're in that era ps5 or ps6 and magnus should easily support mouse and keyboard to play with pc players

JEECE38d ago

@Whitey2k

Technically consoles support m/k now, but practically speaking most console users still just play with a controller, so this game is likely to be designed primarily with controller players in mind. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will be.

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Sony: PS5 Is “Only in the Middle of Its Journey;” Multiplatform Helldivers 2 Doing “Extremely Well”

During Sony’s quarterly financial conference call CFO Lin Tao provided relevant information on the performance of the PlayStation business.

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Pedantic9166d ago

Kinda figured the lifecycle for this gen and for Sony in particular will be longer, stronger hardware with better graphical enhancements is not going to show immediate jump in quality for games anymore like in the 90's, graphics have since plateaued and what they should be pushing for is art design, physics handling and locking down framerates to 60fps as the absolute minimum required. Sony will always have their 1st party with their heavy hitters but i would also personally want to see them invest more into AA, bring in younger talents, incorporate more experimental ideas to game design and prototyping like the early days with PS and PS2, maybe instead of investing 200-300+ million in bombastic cinematic experiences, invest atleast half of that into creating new teams for other genres you're currently lacking in to diversify your portfolio such as platfomers, jrpgs, horror, rythm, arcade racer, FPS, hell, maybe even a strategy game or two.

thorstein66d ago

What I've learned from this generation is that smaller studios are where I'm finding the best games.

The big boys just aren't cutting it.

This is great news for PS owners.

But what's the advantage to new hardware anymore? It's like cell phones. There's noting new or innovative. All the future tech isn't arriving any time soon: quantum computers and internet.

Profchaos66d ago

What I've learnt from this gen is to go retro until you get those big games like GTA Vi

Lightning7766d ago

People seem to complain whenever Sony does something different. If it's not the cinematic story driven games then most don't seem to care.

I forgot what game it was but We remember when Shawn Layden said some game didn't sell all that well but it was ok because they wanted to take chances with new types of games. That was a different times different generation now. What applies then certainly doesn't apply now.

PhillyDonJawn66d ago

Not necessarily. Ps5 could still be supported for years after ps6 release. I still would expect ps6 around 2027

MetroidFREAK2166d ago

As long as proper physical games keep coming out for PS5, I'll keep supporting it

Eonjay65d ago

At this point, going back and seeing just how incredible and soawling the PS4 library is, its nice to see that the PS5 will wind up just as good with continued physical support into the next decade and the full PS4 physical catalog as well.

MetroidFREAK2164d ago

I agree. I'm still picking up PS4 games I missed back in the day as well.

MIDGETonSTILTS1766d ago

New hardware is meant to expand possibilities for developers when their ambitions are constrained.

Looking at Death Stranding 2 and Yotei, and anticipating GTA6 and Wolverine will also blow away graphics expectations, I don’t think devs are constrained by the ps5 yet.

The longer they wait to release the ps6, the stronger it will be. People can wait. Just let Kojima finish Physint as a ps6 launch title. That should take at least another 4 years. That would be the lifecycle at 9 years, which would be the longest lifecycle yet, but not by much.

Eonjay65d ago

So I totally see what you are saying but I suspect that one of the effects of introducing stronger hardware is the older generations are then maxed by necessity.

But thats just my opinion. The real reason why Sony won't wait to release a next Gen console is because they are seeking to directly influence the next Gen of graphics hardware on an industry wide scale.. To them, they are making developers lives easier if they are developing for hardware that ubiquitous support features across platforms including PC.

This would literally lift everyone up at the same time. And for this reason the Next Playstation will debut as part of UDNAs debut. PS5 will continue to be optimized and supported for another 5 at least.

MIDGETonSTILTS1763d ago

If I’m following you, you are saying introducing a ps6 would be a way to immediately hit the PS5’s hardware ceiling. That would make sense, but I hope they force Xbox to release their console first, and they then counter with a slightly stronger ps6 a year later. I don’t expect Xbox to launch with a strong initial exclusives roster that would necessitate Sony being first to market.

Dexterio66d ago

Sony: PS5 Is “Only in the Middle of Its Journey;”
Nice to know. I wouldn't worry about PS6 for another 5-6 years, I guess.

monkey60266d ago

I wouldnt count on that. A console life cycle doesn't end with the announcement and release of a new gen.
We'll see a PS6 announcement in 2027 and release in 2028. I could bet on it

Eonjay65d ago

It could come out in 2027 and thats fine. It is quite common for people to upgrade their TV, phone or PC within that time period. As long as it is backwards compatible it makes total sense to upgrade and its justified on its merit alone. There is no reason why this can apply to consoles too.

jznrpg66d ago

I doubt it will be that long until PS6. My guess is around 2028 but who knows. Could be as early as holiday 27’ and as late as 29 but I can’t see it being any farther than that. I somewhat doubt as late as 29. Half way through PS5 life can also mean crossgen titles for a year or 2 into PS6

Lightning7766d ago

The rumor is 2027. Cerny said it's only a few years away. Possibly of 2028 but it definitely won't be 5, 6 years away.

isarai66d ago

With this statement, while Mark Cerby us teasing the basis of the next gen tech, it sounds like we're probably going to have another dragged out cross gen overlap 😒 ugh. I miss the days when launch ganes marked the starting line of new beginnings, games built from the ground up to take full advantage of whats new and exciting, instead of just upresed/remastered last gen games

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