Because they are corporations, they spend time and money on making something they way they want it. Take changing the ui on a system for example. People do it on phones etc, but somewhere along the line the company paid a guy a lot of money to make it, and then you just change it. That makes it still in a pirate sense. You shouldn't be able to just change things to they way you want it. That's not the point of community on a product. Let them change things and just let it be.

But then again thats another way of an excuse to get out of trouble and say that he wasn't hacking the PS3

Be serious, GeoHotz wanted the use the OtherOs, Fighting for OUR RIGHTS? are you serious

@GrieverSoul

Wouldn't a better example be that you find seeds and plant your own garden and stop buying from him?

Sure for the "right" to play games for free, and destroy online games with cheats. Nevermind the rights of thousands of game developers who work hard to make these games.

To microsoft shop, since h's is such a xbot.

if you buy a gun with your own money that does not give you the right to go shoot it off in public even if the ppl that made it made it so it can

I would guess most game developers hope Geo wins, because this really is about hacker/programmer rights. Most here don't have the ability to program; they just want to spend their pay check and sit on the couch playing video games. They don't care.

For those with the ability to write software, and control the hardware; I'm sure they'd appreciate the right to do so.

I wouldn't call myself a game developer, but I have created a text based chess game with a godly AI which I've never defeated - it was more a study of AI than game design. I really enjoy programming and I'd love to be able to write applications to run on the PS3.

If there are any programmers who do supports the Sony "closed-platform" agenda, speak up.

Yes. I do want him to lose.

Nothing good can some from an illegal hack. Its Sony's decision what they want enabled and disabled, not somebody who does not even work for Sony. If he is doing something only Sony should do, it's as if he is working for sony. ILLEGALLY!

Our troops are fighting for our rights. This kid is just doing this for attention. A complete waste of a brilliant mind....

***This isn't about piracy, its about setting a precedent for what people are allowed to do with what they buy with THEIR OWN money....in this case, the PS3. The problem is that the Sony cheerleaders are N4G are to stupid to realize it. ***

I can buy a gun with my own money, it's still illegal to shoot people with it.

In the same vein, he can hack his machine all he wants, but what he's being taken to court for is a) Releasing the meltdr information, which is Sony IP, not his and b) distributing software that modifies PSN code, which is, again, Sony IP.

If he had just modified his machine to enable it for him, that would be great and he'd be okay. But, instead he obtained secure software data that wasn't his to utilize, used it to further modify software that isn't his to modify and then shared it with everyone on the Web.

Hotz didn't do this just because he wanted it, though. He did it because he thinks Sony had no right to force him to choose between OtherOS and PSN. The problem is, in doing so he violated Sony's IP in the exact same way that he feels they violated his right to have both PSN and OtherOS.

The case isn't about whether he's a hacker or not -- though there is needed evidence to show that he is a hacker and has gotten donations from such actions -- but about what information he used and who's programs he modified in order to achieve his goal of hacking.

If he had kept his PS3 at the same level with OtherOS, he could have added everything he wanted to his machine without problem. But, he wasn't content with what he said his original goals were. He wanted it all, regardless of what it meant to the company that provided the hardware and software in the first place.

***What would you do if u were in his position?***

I wouldn't be in his position. I wouldn't have shared information that I know would have lead to piracy on the console.

***Its almost as if you WANT to see him lose this case, which is odd seeing as how he's fighting for the rights of console owners.***

How so? The right to ignore Sony's IP is what he is fighting for. PSN and the meltdr keys are Sony's IP, yet he didn't feel at all bad about sharing them and modifying their code.

You're saying I'm supposed to get behind someone who would have no issues taking my code and modifying to his own needs and then openly distributing it even though I rely upon said code for my business? Yeah, you'll be waiting a while for me to line up behind him.

***Lets say I want to hack my PS3...but I have NO intention of piracy. Why should I not I have right to do that with the $600 system that I bought?***

1) Because the software is not your IP.
2) Because he didn't just modify his hardware, he found sensitive Sony IP, distributed it to the Web, and modified their software IP.

By your logic, why shouldn't people have the right to hack video games? Why should they be penalized for said actions at all? It's their software now that they own it and they can do what they want with it.

You see, this isn't a hardware issue, it's all about the software.

@Dead

So you think the software inside the ps3 belongs to the consumer and they should be able to alter it and distribute it? You know how stupid it sounds to defend this way of thinking right? The problem in it all is that he didnt keep it to himself and published copyrighted software like the privacy key on the internet.

His custom firmware is also illegal its not new code its just firmware 3.55 modified a little.
It still has the same look as the normal xmb which is also a copyright by Sony. So he isnt fighting for my rights cause i know the software inside my ps3 isnt mine. I got a license to use it but i cant go altering it and then posting it on internet.

My rights. MY FUCKING RIGHTS. I would've still have my otherOS if it wasn't for this fucker hackers in the first place. It wouldn't have gotten to this if it wasn't for them. In the beginning of every technology, everything is good until hackers come and make it better or worst

Are you a fucking moron? Doing this for My Rights?! Yeah and ruining gaming for everyone. Sony couldn't careless what he does with his PS3 but when you start trying to Cheat the system and break the games with Hacks and Mods then you are at fault and should be punished.

OMG you actually think he is fighting for peoples rights? How stupid are you? Go back to smoking your bong and playing with yourself.

@Deadreckoning

Every post you make is very deluded. Do you actually use the same rational in real life? And is 100% about piracy, why else would Sony care? WoW.

P.S. Sony could counter argue they took other O.S. out because of Geohot because he was hacking it before they removed it.

That's a bunch of bullocks. I've been programming for six years now. There's no way I would ever want something like this. There's a reason companies hire programmers to design a security system to prevent people like him from mucking everything up for everyone else.

Besides, most students have to sign an agreement with faculty and staff that they will not misuse penetration techniques they learn from network security classes: it's called ethics, and reaches beyond the classroom environment. This guy lacks them. He should know better.

EDIT: You should try designing Checkers through web scripting. That's tough. Using languages like C and C++ makes things much easier, but controlling image placement with CSS and Javascript is a nightmare. If you feel up to it, try to program an algorithm where the computer will know if the user can make a SAFE double, triple, or quadruple jump. Now that's hard.

My rights? Dont you mean his ass? He's just trying to save his ass that's it. Not to mention he's going to ruin my rights to play MAG the way it's intended.

dead...

how is it possible that you are wrong on so many different posts.....

geohotz lawyer is not fighting for my rights. you can do whatever you want with your ps3 but distribute copyrighted software. beat a game and you will see legal info after the credits. geohotz did not do this to help us but instead desired to make his mark on the ps3 by hacking it to download and play stolen software..

this is the reason why the other os system was removed...

"I think u missed the point of what hes doing. By stating that he "re-enabled", hes trying to make it seem as if Sony was the bad guy for taking the "OtherOS" feature away"

So, basically, he's a delusional nut (Who copied, tampered, and distributed copy-protected codes and software) who thinks he's in the right?

Thanks for getting me up to speed.
/s

GeoNot's thinks he can avoid the law by making Sony out to be a bad guy. That's cute. I remember when I was 5 and thought that you could steal a candy bar from someone who was mean. (Inb4 "Last week?")

until the judge figures out if she wants to take the case or not.

Save money? Previously Sony was losing hundreds on each console made.

Its clear Sony did NOT remove an "Software" to save money.

In fact Sony stated long ago, most profits come from Software sales, Not hardware. Which was also true for Microsoft. So far Nintendo with the Wii was first this gen to release a system that actually made profit off each system sold. It takes years before Sony or Microsoft was able to break even or make profit off Console sales.

..."PlayStation is dominating on every level"....

...Really???

PlayStation are soon heading into a new generation in the not to distant future. They currently have the worst customer satisfaction they've ever sustained as a company. The company is heading for a huge crash while at the same time they'll need to be planning how they are going to try and win back that favour and the build up to their new releases.

Yes financially they're winning but they're going to have to ride out this complete public corporate disaster. No one has faith in the company or the product anymore. They've damaged their public image so much this generation. Greed can kill anyone.

Hulst is a disaster......