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Kinect's Market Saturation

Microsoft's intentions are clearer, but the feeling is grim for the core 360 gamer.

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OGharryjoysticks5614d ago

You have to wonder...the article brings up an interesting point. It says without Kinect there might not have been a slim console release. I'm curious if MS knew Kinect would Red Ring older models as reported, and that's why the redesign was released. Granted, never in a million years would they ever face up to that awarenesss, because having that knowledge and still releasing Kinect without proper warning to all owners would have to be practically illegal. But keep in mind these are the same guys who denied and manipulated RROD cases for years. Who knows how many lawsuits went against them regarding it and what were the outcomes in the end when they granted the 3 year warranty (like did that help them in certain court cases towards the end?)

Tinasumsum5614d ago (Edited 5614d ago )

What the heck are you and the author of this article going on about? neither of you make sense sounds like yelping birds in distress. Casuals over the hardcore? and Kinect RROD old 360s? All myths with no evidence.

NewMonday5613d ago

The article doesn't talk about RROD, it made a valid point, and can we give MS some criticism without being labeled fanboys?

Just look at the MS publication history for the 360, it was the best for first 2 years, IMOO it was crazy to go for a PS3 back then, but then "project Natal" happened and focus on HC games declined, 2011 is the worst.

Kinect is succeeding, but it's getting to much success, if MS allocated extra funds for it without reducing resources on HC games then I wouldn’t care.

If fans gave them real criticism instead of being apologists then they may actually wake up, they think they own the 360 fanbase as it stands and nothing can go wrong.

AAACE55613d ago

OK Harry, I'll give you that one. I have had suspicions that having a camera hooked up to a 360 makes it go out! My first 2 had the Vision cam and they died. This current one has not had the cam and it's going like a pro. And I have had it since late 2008!

What I won't let slide is you saying MS knew the console had problems and just kept it quiet and wouldn't acknowledge it! When my 360's went out, MS fixed them. I went through 5 Ps2's because of the Disc Read Error problem and Sony wouldn't do a thing for me and countless others!

You do the math... over 140 million sold, yet this new one has a problem trying to get over 50 million within 4 years... And people talk about how reliable the Ps3 is. If that's not proof that the majority of that 140 million were repeat buyers due to faulty equipment, I don't know what is!

SMOK3xFFx5614d ago

I've been using my Kinect on the old arcade model since launch and had zero problems.

gamer78045613d ago

I agree, been using mine on an arcade model just fine, these are just baseless conspiracy theories.

Dorwrath5613d ago

I used Kinect on my old 360 Elite all through the beta with no issues at all.

Any old 360s that RROD are just coincidence, it was their time to go and would have RROD with or without Kinect

Bigpappy5613d ago

I am using Kinect with my old 360. I don't know anyone who had this problem.

Hands Up For Games5613d ago

Are you basing the nonsense you typed as fact or just more made up theories like this article is?

You gotto love the internet sometimes!

Ryudo5613d ago

Is anything typed on N4G generally regarded as fact, because most of the stuff I read on here generally belongs in an science fiction novel. That or the top 100 dumbest quotes of all time....

OGharryjoysticks5613d ago (Edited 5613d ago )

You guys above are a joke. Judging from all your posts, the 360 is the most reliable system ever. I guess MS was right and there was never a RROD issue because you special chosen select few never got one and therefore it's a myth just like Kinect breaking older models. That loss MS took of over a BILLION dollars to extend the warranties was just because they are really nice like AAACE5 thinks and was a waste of money then. It wouldn't have anything to do with deception because they wouldn't do that since it would be the first time (false) and they treat their cusomters right (false again) so they deserve the benefit of the doubt. But since we're here I'll give you more food for thought - the thing working in MS favor now is how do you prove the older model didn't just break for the usual reasons instead of Kinect being the culprit? Oh well, nevermind...any problems with the 360 are just conspiracy theories, and you guys and your friends just magically got the reliable ones. Congrats!

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DelbertGrady5613d ago

Conspiracy theories like this one are bound to pop up now and again, especially considering the latest NPD numbers.

Ryudo5613d ago

Thanks for that insightful and all around helpful comment keep up the good work.

BabyTownFrolics5613d ago

the fact that people are trying to blame Kinect for this BS is pathetic.

GeneGodHand5613d ago

I'm so worried SIKE i don't even own one to be worried XD

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio26d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing25d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9225d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit25d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing25d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9225d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay27d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn228d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn227d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown28d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay27d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay27d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac27d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger28d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300028d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde28d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde27d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7529d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_27d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.