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PS3 Hack Changes Nothing

Revolt-Tech Writes:

The last of the major platforms to fall to hackers, the Sony console has finally been cracked. “PS3 security in tatters” says famously loved/hated hacker GeoHot after releasing the Metldr key for the console. According to hackers, this security breach that finally felled the giant was an almost hilarious oversight by Sony who failed to encrypt the Playstation 3 Root Key, which is basic procedure for almost any hardware manufacturer. Though this is being toted as groundbreaking news all over the internet (Everything is groundbreaking on the internet) the real implications of the Playstation 3 being cracked are not nearly as dismal as many may think. Lets go over a few reasons as to why the hack will not cause the sky to fall:

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writersblock5585d ago

If anything it'll help sony's sales XD

Pedantic915585d ago

Hardware wise, Software though............

Nitrowolf25585d ago

i don't think it will be that bad for software sales, if anything i think they will still increase regardless. I mean if hardware sales increase whats going to happen when they ship their console if they are under warrenty still? No fix then for them either. But anyway PSP is really the only console that was badly affected by hacking in Software, i don't see that being a major issue for PS3. It will continue to live on like it has the previous 4 years.

tdrules5585d ago

I doubt that will change much, the best selling PS3 game of all time is a Call of Duty one, and everyone plays that online...

thong_pounder5585d ago

no one has time to download 40 gigs game or the money to spend on the disk.

FailOverHero5585d ago

Pretty sure people said the same thing about PSP hack. It changes nothing!! Years later, the PSP has 65 million units sold, impressive yes? No, not when those sales do not translate to software sales. PSP has an attach rate of less than 3 games sold per PSP. It has sold less games than any 7th generation console, it is the only console with less than 200 million software units sold this gen.
Why is PSP so affected and wii and x360 ok? Simplicity.
It takes more work to hack a wii or 360 than it does to hack a psp, people are lazy and if the risks and labour outweigh the gains then they tend to just leave well enough alone.
This is however not the case with the psp and now the ps3. With zero modding and practically no skills necessary, you can hack a ps3. You can sign just about anything and PSN and your PS3 will run it like it was official.
I'm not trying to spread doom and gloom here but you people need to stop being so naive about this. This is real and in the wrong hands, it is potentially crippling. Do not let this candy coating lull you into a false sense of security. The doors have been gently bust open...in fact they removed the doors and sony will have to build new doors(new ps3 hardware ala psp 3004) to solve this
PS, in case you missed it, this is undetectable online because it uses official keys. If you think people will stay away because they want to play COD online, you're sadly mistaken. PSN won't know the difference. Wish I could explain it in more laymans terms but I cannot. No doors people, no alarms, no patches, no fixes.

wizzle525585d ago

Indeed,I dont know if Sony are still selling the PS3 at a loss, but im pretty sure they make their money in software sales.

This will change everything, looking at the hack sites, its literally less than 10 people (inc GeoHotz) working on apps to find 'keys' for various ps3 firmwares. The masses (Pirates) then start wetting themselves waving fingers at Sony saying Custom Firmware round the corner. The point is that an app has not yet been released that can sign homebrew. All they know now is that it is possible. Which means all the 'backup loaders' will be able to run on a ps3 which has not been jailbreaked. Only thing thats been released that is worthy of note is a tool to create .pup (update files) but without the right knowledge, this will just brick the ps3. Time will tell but i can see Sony going full out to fight this.

Anon19745585d ago

Doesn't matter. This author nailed it. How many people are going to be downloading 40-50GB games all the time? Not many. You won't be able to use these games online because Sony already has the PSN locked down and the newest games require the newest firmware anyway. So people are going to hack the PS3, then rewrite the games themselves to not check for updated firmware?

Let's face it. If someone wants to pirate games that bad they're just going to do it on the 360. That has a straightforward hack, 360's are cheaper, games are smaller. Why on earth would you go through all the hassle to hack the PS3 when the 360 has been available to pirates for years, cheaper and without any hassle? Besides, the bulk of games release are available on both platforms anyway.

The_Ultimate_Guy5585d ago

@darkride66

With the PS3 now open, what is stopping pirates to write a code that allows you to save the game onto the harddrive. Like what PSJailbreak allowed? Only this time, any game can be saved. You don't need to download a game if you can rent it or borrow it from a friend and just copy it onto your harddrive.

No downloading. No costs of purchasing Blu-ray drives to burn, no cost of Blu-ray discs.

The only cost will be for a larger harddrive to store all the games on. And thanks to Sony, you can buy larger harddrives and swap them into the PS3.

nycredude5585d ago

Ultimate guy

SO you still have to rent a game to do this. Add in the cost of hardrives which is pretty affordable but when exclusive games are so large you telling all those people crying about mandatory installs are going to rent a game and downloadit to hardrive. Most older games cost freaking less than $20 anyway and with all the deals available it's cheaper to buy your games than hack and to get games for kind of free (gotta rent). Okso you will download. How long to download a 15 gig game? How much bandwith? Come on add it all up only retards would hack their Ps3 for free games.

TBM5585d ago

meh it means nothing to me. i'll still be buying my games as i like have physical media. plus the system it too damn expensive for me to mess with lol.

Ultraplayerxp5585d ago

Who's crazy enough to download 20-30 gb of data you say?
While I don't support piracy, you guys obviously don't live where I do. Here, other people download it for us, we just pay them to transfer it to the system.

saladthieves5585d ago

It is true though...well at least half of it. People just want to know the insides of the console and they have. All they wanted to know was figure out how its inner parts work, but this always comes down to piracy, even though that is not intended. People will start copying games and KABOOOM!! Piracy for the PS3 will start. There is a technical side though, one that will just be a bit of a challenge to these guys copying games. Take for example Uncharted 2, which weighs in at a whooping 25GB. Not everyone these days have a blank blu ray discs, blu ray burners or fast internet to download that. The fact that the games from Sony keep on getting larger and larger (close to 50 GB) that will hopefully discourage these pirates from doing such stuff...i hope.

SCThor5585d ago

@Ultraplayerxp

Yeah, thats what happen here in Peru. As we speak, TONS of "backup" Blu-rays are sold by as low as $5 or less depending if you want the extras or just the movies. In case you're wondering about the quality, is as good as the original.

Ps3fanbaby5584d ago

no one have time to download 40gb-50 gb of game and everyone knoww that all the ps3 game 50gb.
sony was smart to include blu-ray
even hack its still the best consol ever
sony=make.beleive

n4f5584d ago

some people have time to download huge file and maybe you can dump your game into your hdd. and if they are making custom firmware well its can bypass the online thingy.
just saying

HappyGaming5584d ago

No one has time to download 40GB games but if this is like the PS2 I remembered that I just used to buy pirated games when I was young for $5...

If this doesn't even require you to chip your PS3 people could be buying copies for $10 of eBay it would be so easy and cheap that no one would care if this gets patched.

Dee_915584d ago

will u b able to play online?

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Blaze9295585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

I don't get why people think the PS3 will all a sudden end up like the PSP. Look at the PS2, 360, and Wii - all hacked yet still successful.

EDIT:

disagrees but no one wants to answer the question on why they think this will ruin the PS3 like the PSP...funny.

360's been on the hacked market for years now and yet...it still outsells PS3 games? Sooooo what kind of logic are we working here? Doesn't hurt the 360 but it will hurt the PS3? o_O

cemelc5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

Cos the actual use for this is to pirate games, thats why you showed your pirate a$$ in the other article.

We had this discussion in the other article check our commnet history for reference.

Edit below:

Of course i would comment youre a pirate thinking everyone is a fool and will never realize what you are. Again if anyone care check it here:

http://n4g.com/news/672981/...

Blaze9295585d ago

the actual use? ROFL there is not even a USE period yet buddy. Get your facts straight. There's nothing to DO with this hack yet at all unless you're a homebrew developer. Nothing is out. Nothing planned is known.

So what do you mean the actual use for this is piracy? The ones who hacked it said the "actual use" was to bring linux and other OS back. What happens after that is fair game.

I knew you'd reply to my comment. You are waaaay to hilarious. keep going buddy.

FailOverHero5585d ago

Allow me to quote myself from a different thread to answer your question
Major difference, wii and x360 need
some sort of modification that can
be detected online to be hacked. This
hack requires ZERO modification at
all.
Let me explain this to you this way,
xbox and wii hacks are like a bunch
of thugs storming into a bank, guns
blazing and getting the cash and
running off with the alarm
screaming!
Ps3 hack is like getting a copy of the
bank managers keys, along with
every single door code and vault
combination. Simply walk in, take
what you need without triggering
any alarms and waltz out.
Whats my point? There aren't as
many people are willing to do the
work required to hack an x360 or wii
as there are people who would
rather have it easy and with no
detection.
If you think this won't hurt Sony
then you haven't seen PSP software
sales. If Vgchartz is to be believed,
PSP has an attach rate of
2.88...compare that with PS3's 7.17
and you realise just how much of an
impact easy pirating have.
If attach rates mean nothing to you
then let me simplify
Ps3 sales. 46 million. Games sold 330
million
PSP sales. 65 million
Games sold 190 million
See what I mean?

Blaze9295585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

Hmm...Good points. But thanks for REPLYING and not just disagreeing without reason.

MrBeatdown5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

@FailOverHero

Sony has said that if you buy NEW games and play them for the first time while connected to PSN, you get credit for them in the PS Rewards beta. Used games won't get you any points. From what I understand, every game is tagged with a unique identifier, which really is the only way Sony's reward system could differentiate between, new, used, and rentals.

Now, if a game is copied, then played online, Sony knows what copy you are playing because that identifier was copied. So if some pirate makes a copy of a game available, and hundreds of people download it and are playing that online, some simultaneously, all over the world it seems like that would be a dead giveaway that the people playing those games are playing pirated copies. Then the banhammer drops.

So essentially, to use your bank analogy, you've got hundreds of people all trying to get into the vault, pretending they are the bank manager all at the same time. Someone will obviously notice.

I don't see any way for a pirate to get around that, outside of playing offline, in which case, it isn't any different from 360 or Wii.

nycredude5585d ago

Last I checked for all the Wiis out in the wild it's software attach rate is atrocious!

there are more 360s in the wild than Ps3, and with a less than stellar lineup lately why wouldn't the 360 sell more games than the Ps3? It's simpe math. I agree piracy didn't kill the 360 but you are fool if you think it didn't hurt.

Led-Zeppelin5584d ago

You mad cause you got a lot of disagrees? pathetic...

sobekflakmonkey5584d ago

I love how people click disagree or agree like it actually means something....

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gta28005585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

PSP is different though. The size in game files is significantly different. Most psp games when compressed are like 400MB! Rip some files and you can make them really small and easy to download. PS3 games are gonna be gigs and gigs of data. I hope it becomes really difficult for these bummy motherfuckers who pirate games. If you cant afford games...get a fuckin job...if you still cant afford games with your job...get a better job you bums.

Vherostar5584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

No online play gotta be the biggest killer though.. Will they ever get that working if not is it worth hacking your console?? Free games but no online gaming.. I refuse to use this anyways I love my online gaming for starters and hacking always leads to problems such as bans and mistakes that can brick your console just not worth it. (Sure people will say only idiots brick and I have a modded PSP to play emulators and never bricked so I don't need to mod my PS3)

fr0sty5584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

blu-ray burners are not $250 anymore... this dude's been living under a rock. You can get a dual layer 50gb burner for about $150, but the discs are still $10 for a dual layer. most games don't use dual layer though.

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lugia 40005585d ago

And devs will start to not making games.

DarthRevan5585d ago

Well, you see, theres a reason the article has that title. Perphaps if you read before commenting you'd get it

lol, it should honestly be a requirement that you read before commenting

Silly gameAr5585d ago

First article I've seen that's actually NOT promoting the hack.

DarthRevan5585d ago

True, most people seem to be all for it

I know quite a few PS3 owners though, and none of them seem interested in the hack anyways

sobekflakmonkey5584d ago

Im definitely on that boat, im not down to fuck with my ps3 or 360 orrr wii for that matter...

TheMART5585d ago

Silly gameAr + 41m ago
First article I've seen that's actually NOT promoting the hack."

Also an article that has a writer thats bad informed too bad...

"Online play is not (yet) available:
The average game nowadays has its primary attraction being the online. Many feature only a maximum of 10-12 hours of gameplay but days of online (and start with Call and end with Duty). As of yet, the Playstation Network has been able to keep jail-broken Playstations from playing online. "

He keeps talking about Jailbroken consoles. With the latest leaking of keys the hackers just sign their stuff as it were officially signed Sony software. Thus it can't even be called a jailbreak. If they sign an USB loader like official software, the PS3 can't even notice its not what Sony really made and PSN access will be there.

"Game Size is too big"

Uh no. BluRay size can be max 50GB. Thing is, 97% of all PS3 games also fit on a DL DVD, like the 360 games. A few are bigger, like GOWIII and FFXIII, both around 40GB and a game like Uncharted 2. LittleBigPlanet on the other hand is even fitting on a SL DVD...

"BluRay Disc/Writing
The DVD burner has become a standard feature on PC’s now, allowing you to burn a movie or game with ease from your laptop or desktop. BluRay writers, however, are still a luxury item costing around 250 for an internal drive. The disks themselves are also comparatively expensive, and are only sold in small amounts at a few stores."

Durrrrr thats why there are already USB loaders loading the games completely off HDD> Furthermore, BR writers cost like 100 bucks. I still remember the days that people bought 200 bucks CD writers to just burn some music CD's. The costs of disc have dropped to a couple of bucks. Even IF you had to write BR's/not being able to load of HDD, with 2 or 3 games the costs of the writer would be recouped.

"Features are near-pointless
Some of the “amazing” features that these hacks give are emulators, allowing users to use the Playstation hardware to play NES or SNES games. Emulators that are readily available on the PC should anybody decide they want a nostalgia trip. Many don’t realize that these features were available when the Playstation allowed Linux, and a staggering <1% of users decided to use it. "

That Linux didn't run a Dreamcast emu, like NullDC atm being ported by its creator on PC Raziel. Or the future Wii emulator working with Move, the Wiimote clone.

Ofcourse they're available on PC, thing is, an app on the PS3 works so easy, no need to boot a PC with its OS etc, but instant emu app booting on a console where the games belong. Not on a desktop/laptop with a keyboard...

We've seen this on PSP, it gave so much homebrew besides the emulators even and every PSP user that has softmodded LOVES it compared to the locked original one.

Obviously written by someone that is very limited on the information. If you want to read more:

http://forums.n4g.com/tm.as...

cemelc5585d ago

"He keeps talking about Jailbroken consoles. With the latest leaking of keys the hackers just sign their stuff as it were officially signed Sony software. Thus it can't even be called a jailbreak. If they sign an USB loader like official software, the PS3 can't even notice its not what Sony really made and PSN access will be there. "

Yeah, by any chance you know that every game has id codes in them??? when 3000000 persons start playing with the same id code you ussuly realize witch consoles you have to ban.

Online will not be possible in the psn, even if they manage to find a hole in it, thats a temporal solution at best. Your best choice is a paralel network of some sort but in psn servers is not possible in the long run.

FailOverHero5585d ago

No, its all the same key, don't you get it. That's the epic fail. Sony didn't randomize.

cemelc5585d ago

All ps3 might have the same key, but the games have an unique id that sony can trace meaning that if someone goes online with the same id as another player at the same time(witch its imposible) you get tagged as a pirate and get banned in the next ban wave.

MrBeatdown5585d ago

According the Sony, each game does have a unique key.

This is how, in the PS Rewards beta, they are able to give you credit for playing new games and not used games, as I explained above in my first comment (1.2.5).

They know a game has been played before because that key is already registered to another PSN ID.

herculese15584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

@MrBeatdown:
just like on xbox 360 right? lol. People think sony have these majic tools to sort out in real time which game IDs are running at this point in time and then on top of that take all of those user ID's and put them in this imaginary Ban list. come on. sony hasnt banned anyone yet so why do you think they can or will. untill it happens everything u just said is pure speculation.

sobekflakmonkey5584d ago

@herculese1 your a stupid human...

MrBeatdown5584d ago

@Herculese1

How about, if you are going to shoot down what I say, you offer up a reason as to why I'm wrong?

FACT: Sony can differentiate between new and used games. That's how the PS Reward system rewards users for playing new games and not used games or rentals.

How else could Sony do it, unless every game had a unique identifier? How could they know the difference between new and used? If you can come up with an alternative theory as to how they do it, then you can tell me I'm wrong. I'm basing what I'm saying on a logical conclusion drawn from fact. You're just pulling something out of your ass and treating it like it's true.

Oh, and Sony can ban...

http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

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rjdofu5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

What the hell? Putting much effort into fighting for piracy eh?

nycredude5585d ago (Edited 5585d ago )

SO you telling me these hackers are genius and no one is smarter? You telling me Sony with all their money won't find a way to fight it? COme on man if you know anything about hacking you would know it's a cat and mouse game, give and take. This fight isn't over in the slightest. It just began.

So you go ahead and open your console up to hackers (who don't gives less shit about us than even MS and SOny) I hope your console gets brick or worse you get your personal info/identity stolen. Come back here then and defend hacking.

@joeorc

Leave them be. MAybe when they brick their console, get their info adn indentity stolen, then they can come back and change their tune. The fact is until something happens to you no one cares. It as if a problem doesn't exist if it doesn't happen to them.

herculese15584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

@TheMART at Xboxkings
Couldnt have said it better myself. You hit the nail on the head. Anyone disagreeing with that obviously have no idea what they are talking about.

ChickeyCantor5584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

"Not on a desktop/laptop with a keyboard... "
Its called a freaking gamepad you snob.

"So you go ahead and open your console up to hackers (who don't gives less shit about us than even MS and SOny) I hope your console gets brick or worse you get your personal info/identity stolen. Come back here then and defend hacking.
"

This is irrelevant to the point where Homebrew =/= piracy.
use your brain.

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Passthemic5585d ago

Sony only have themselves to blame in this.

joeorc5585d ago

The "XMB" belongs to Sony just like the Windows OS belongs to Microsoft!

there is no excuse no matter what many are trying to claim
Remember LINUX has do be installed by the end user..it did not come preinstalled on your PS3...
it was offered as an "OPTION TO INSTALL"

which people are seeming to overlook.

NOTICE the word Option! even after Sony removed Install other OS out of "their XMB" could you still retain it? Sony removed it off of their XMB unless you an other's are claiming ownership of the PS3's operating system?

which is what these hackers an you are claiming

the simple fact is the Linux that everyone keeps going on an on about an how these hacker's are doing such the world justice for the consumer is pure 100% BS.

the reason why is very simple:

do you own 100% ownership of software?

so unless you make it right who retains ownership of said Software even Linux is open source freely distributable but you do not own the OS?

than lets take that one step further.

do you own the windows xp on your PC?
no you have a licence to run it you do not own it even though you purchase the PC with it or buy a copy of window's.

now lets take that toward where this pertains to the PS3 when you purchase the PS3 you own the hardware..not the software that's on it ESP...the XMB the XMB is the PS3's GUI thus removing Other OS out of the XMB is in full right of Sony ! they did not outright remove linux they removed the option out of the XMB! and it's not like they did it out right they gave the choice.

but here is the kicker did the Slim ps3 come with install other OS inside the XMB at purchase?
No so the hacker's are altering the XMB which is Sony's property. and No one other than Sony can claim ownership to that XMB.

The XMB does not belong to them , but yet people are rooting these Hacker's on because it's a slight against Sony. they are also allowing anyone to "sign code" on a ps3 with their software they are going to distribute.

they talk about security but yet they cannot patroll all the code that gets put out there even free ware IF there is any freeware that is!

IF their Goal is to get linux running on the PS3 without restriction's are they going to help those with bricked PS3's that load programs from other software Homebrew maker's that have less scruples about remote access to your system and get your personal info..hey your PSN ID PASSWORD LOOKS PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW A KEY LOGGER WOULD BE A GREAT LIL PROGRAM TO RUN IN YOUR BACKGROUND do you sign into your PS3 online by typing your password everytime or is it auto signed in..lol

well it would'nt matter because remember anyone can make signed code run on the ps3 .

that's the problem, they not only want it back on the phat ps3's which i can see why they would but the fact that Sony did remove it off of the Slims before point of sale Out of their XMB which is owned by Sony not these people or me or you Its Sony's code.

ChickeyCantor5584d ago (Edited 5584d ago )

"NOTICE the word Option! even after Sony removed Install other OS out of "their XMB" could you still retain it? Sony removed it off of their XMB unless you an other's are claiming ownership of the PS3's operating system?

which is what these hackers an you are claiming "

The moment they offer something and you pay for it, you have the rights to use your purchase as is. If they suddenly decide to take a feature away, you payed for something that isn't there.

Damn right i have the rights to install linux.
I payed for the damn system back when they icluded the option.

I don't own the OS, but that doesn't mean they can just shift around features and make them "obsolete". They promoted it as is. I purchased it for what is was. Therefor I have the right to have the option to install another OS.

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_5d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle5d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit5d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog5d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog5d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad5d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_5d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage5d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda5d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Sony Shows Off 20 Minutes of Crimson Desert on a Base PS5

Sony uploaded gameplay footage of Crimson Desert on a base PS5 running in what appears to be Quality Mode at a stable 30fps at 4K.

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BlazedKong31d ago

looks god awful on the base systems

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PS5 Sales Pass 92.2 Million Units, Beating Nintendo Switch 2 in the Holiday Quarter

Sony announced its financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2025, alongside the traditional update on PS5 shipments.

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italiangamer74d ago

Sony and Nintendo are both thriving and I'm happy, thank goodness for them or otherwise the whole gaming industry would be in shambles if they only had PC to rely on!

dveio74d ago

• Total G&NS revenue: 10.5 billion USD
• Operating profit: 900 million USD
• Hardware sales: 8M units shipped
• Software sales: 97M units
• PSN MAU: 132M

vs. Xbox:

• Total gaming revenue: 5.96 billion USD
• nothing else gets reported

__y2jb73d ago

Xbox operating costs are without a doubt eye wateringly high, way way way higher than Sony. GP is costing them an absolute fortune to operate.

Tapani73d ago

That is a very solid operating profit. It's not net, obviously, but still a very healthy amount of cash you make after cost of debt and taxes (+ other expenses), and can invest into R&D and future endeavours. And give back to your shareholders or buy back shares.

DivineHand12573d ago

It would be in Sony's beat interest to not rush next generation. Let 2029 or 2030 be the start of next generation. There is clearly plenty of demand for the PS5 and gamers are not asking for more at this time.

S2Killinit73d ago

Yup especially with the price of tech going up. They already have the PRO to hold them over.

__y2jb73d ago (Edited 73d ago )

Exactly this. Let Xbox wither on the vine for a couple more years and there will be nothing left.

fr0sty73d ago

I fully agree for 2 reasons:

1. Microsoft seems to be in a hurry to release the new Xbox, if they do at all... AMD speculates a 2027 release. This will hurt them in the long run, because:

2. Datacenters are buying up ALL the RAM, and some RAM manufacturers have stopped making RAM for consumer products entirely, while the other remaining ones are scared to ramp up their production capacity to make more RAM because they're worried this whole AI thing is a bubble that is about to pop, and they don't want to be caught holding the bag when it does pop. So, for now, it costs $300-400 for 32GB of DDR5. That's the MSRP for some entire consoles.

If Microsoft drops the new Xbox now, it's going to cost them a fortune. If Sony holds their cards a moment and lets PS5 cook for a while, as it's showing no signs whatsoever of slowing down in sales, then by the time PS6 is ready to drop, RAM prices should have stabilized, allowing Sony to devote much more of their budget towards making PS6's CPU and GPU more powerful, in addition to the tech itself maturing and the available CPU and GPU parts being much more powerful for the same price point than they would be if released today. So, we'd get a super powerful PS6 in say, 2029, that won't have to cost $700-800. They speculate, based on the current specs, that the new Xbox will cost north of $1,000, and that was before the RAM shortage came into the picture. It's definitely going to be even higher now that RAM costs so much.

MS will be shooting themselves in the foot (again) if they try to drop a new Xbox now, and Sony would be wise to capitalize on that mistake by holding their cards a while longer, raking in more of those PS5 profits, and then dropping a new console as soon as the hardware market stabilizes from this AI datacenter BS.

darthv7273d ago

7 years is a hurry...? Its the same amount of time between XBO and series. The same amount of time between PS3 to PS4 and PS4 to PS5. The 360 was 8 years between it and XBO.

If they do release first, and then Sony a year or two later... is it not possible for prices to come down in that time?

repsahj73d ago (Edited 73d ago )

I think Switch 2 beat PS5 during December 2025 that is why the gap decrease to 1m units. Because during black friday, I know PS5 sales is 2:1 against the Switch 2.

And I just want to add that the PlayStation 5 is currently 1.94 million units BEHIND the PlayStation 4 when you align launches. While Switch 2 is 10M ahead against the Switch 1 when you aligned covering it's first 7 months.

S2Killinit73d ago

I think you are forgetting to mention the chip shortages for PS5.

salis84473d ago (Edited 73d ago )

No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly.

PS5 being less than 2m behind PS4 is not a big deal; PS5 had to deal with COVID and ongoing supply and pricing struggles that clearly still exist today. Sales of software are incredibly strong, and the size of the community is bigger than its ever been.

PS5 is well on pace to exceed its early (2021) estimates of 110m by end of life even if that's 2027. PS5 will hit 100m before November and then sell another 6-8M in November + December.

PS5 is doing great, and so is Switch 2, it's good for everyone that they succeed, pitting the two against each other is more damaging than anything related to the sales of the two consoles individually.

repsahj73d ago

"No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly."

majority on this site tells otherwise.

Dexterio73d ago

@repsahj
Yup because they’ve been the anti consumer they are for so long and needs to be humbled 😆

CrashMania73d ago (Edited 73d ago )

I'd be lying if I said I didn't regret my purchase a bit. I mainly bought it for Mario Kart World, but I find it pales in comparison to 8. I'm annoyed that Nintendo charged money for a super barebones 'upgrade' to Jamboree, no new minigames? No new boards? Just some gimmicky low res camera mode. Oh and Midtroid Prime 4 let me down as well, yet to go back and finish it.

I don't want the Switch 2 to fail, it's contributing to a healthier console market with the death of xbox consoles. I'll get use out of mine long term, but some of Nintendo's decisions like the ones above just annoy me lol.

jznrpg73d ago

@respahj the only thing I want Nintendo to badly is the 80$ games so they lower the price.

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