A humble request from the guys over at Nyleveia.com for the recently developments in the PlayStation 3 scene to be given a little thought before things get entirely out of hand.
R834 finds the PS3 hacking scenario annoying, but the fact that Anonymous is targeting Playstation.com with DDoS attacks is making him wonder: Why are they doing it? and Who is really losing, Sony or the customers?
"Why, Anonymous, Why?"
Answer: Attention!! They want attention!!
Their pursuit for freedom of speech is making them look like fanatics. They remind me of some sort of terrorist group (and after that video...). Either it goes their way or it doenst go anyway.
These guys seriously need to get their head checked.
GeoHot: "When you take something from someone else without permission, you are not stealing. No. You're only LIBERATING the thing that you are taking. For example, you have ENSLAVED your password to your mind, however, RIGHTOUS hackers have the DIVINE RIGHT to LIBRATE that password from your RICH mind and give it to the POOR people of the INTERNET, the PIRATES."
Hackers: "In the name of the Divine Basement Dwellers, I claim Sony's Intellectual Property for the Pirates of the Internet, as set forth in the Manifest Destiny of the Hacker Mind."
you guys can talk shit about them all you want but there not going to stop. they recently destroyed the church that hates gay people.( think its south baptist) they released all there documents. sony better have some real good tech guys because this isnt going to end. @ Griev- i thought it was attention to untill they took down the website and AT@T a while back. intresting stuff tho, looking to see what happens when sony fires back
Derekvinyard, it's the West Borrow Baptist Church, and no they haven't been destroyed. Anonymous just inconvenienced them. Nothing more.
@ Derekvinyard13
I applaud them for attacking that disgusting church of crazy people. BUT! this is a different matter this is a entertainment company and what they are doing is hurting the consumers.
Also PSN is a free service for people who buy there games and follow the rules. hackers and thieves should be banned.
As shuri on Neogaf stated:
"From the depth of mom's basement I stab at thee!!"
And another good thought that was posted in the same thread,
"Why does stuff like "we have the right to" so often come from people who don't actually produce anything?"
They also brought down that law firm that bullies torrenters into settling out of court. I believe the UK prime minister denounced that law firm after anon got through with them.
I can see how this can be annoying especially with the method(s) Sony uses to handle the situation. It could be a double whammy for some people--ones that play online--seeing as though 1. Sony takes PSN down for maintence 2. Sony starts with the update/patches for the security threats. If you don't play games online then you'll probably be lucky only getting hit with #2....
I posted this the other day about GeoNot...funny how it also applies here as well ~
From West Burrow for hate and Scientology for brainwashing, to Sony for protecting their intellectual properties?
Someone has not only forgotten, but also lost sight of what's important.
@Oner
Futurama, Kidnapster :)
Sony is simply too huge a company for a butt-hurt group of basement dwellers to take down. Anonymous can only do so much.
An interesting fact.
Anon claim to be about freedom.
Yet don't want to give any of their own personal details out about themselves.
So they really aren't about freedom at all.
This will just get SOny to bring in the police etc and round up these people they'll also be put under the terroit group banner.
these people can say/do what they think, yet once they are placed in that basket, all their bank account will be frozen and and while you think you can run while on the net, you can't really run in the real world.
cos he's a butthurt idiot thinking he's fighting for something
how dare he talk about Sony customers when he's the one who's downloading free games
Anon are not in this for the people, they have never done anything for me.
I wouldn't be suprised if one day another group is born with the sole aim of exposing the bank accounts of all Anon members, as well as their home addresses and names.
It could happen, alot of genuine people are getting annoyed with the Anon group. They may yet have to reap what they sow.
All this douche-hackers always tend to act like communists who think Intellectual Property doesn't mean anything!? Grow the F**K UP!!
Does Anon have a website they use? Wouldn't it be ironic if Sony organized a DDoS against them if they do? Lol. I'd do it if I were Sony just for the lulz.
This does not make sense! Attack Sony but not organizations like Gadhafi, Ivory Coast, Syria, Burma, and etc. Freedom of Speech, these guys are hypocrites for attacking a company protecting IP while the world is going through changes.
WTF, really. They have a pirate hacker code..hahahahaahahaaha...hahaa hahahahaahaha!!!!
Lmao!!
Wow. This thing is really getting out of control. It's pretty simple really. If he broke the law then there grounds for Sony's actions. If not then Sony should back off. If hackers are attacking Sony's sites and distributing personal information about their employess that's against the law and they should be stopped. The law is the law period.
"An interesting fact.
Anon claim to be about freedom.
Yet don't want to give any of their own personal details out about themselves."
I will repeat what I said when somebody else made the same comment you did:
"Free speech is unrelated to privacy. In fact, free speech means you can say "things" without being persecuted so why would you need their information?"
By doing what they're doing, if Anonymous' informations about their members would come out, psn users could create a class-action lawsuit on them.
Also, by "attacking" the judge, they're basically creating their own grave. It is a criminal offense.. And it might tighten the grip the US will have on software rights.
I think these actions will only result in aggravating their own case.
Wow n4g has got to be the largest collection on ingorant hypocrites on the web. Every single person on here has illegally down at least one song in there live. bet over 90% have illegally downlaod or watch a movie online and it common play for people to brag about how mean games they play illeaglly on emulators. you fangirls a f'ing pathetic and the one that need to get a life. You think $ony give a shit about you ? Get real and you are maddly in love with a piece of plast with a few wire in. Bet more then one or twon of you take them to bed and try to have sex with it.
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$ony are also hypocrites. They are all pissed off ate geohotsz. For "stealin" from them. and bte he didnt steal anything the law is if you buy something you own and can do what ever you want with it. When $ony steal all the time they stoled rumble tech. Leaving the ps3 with not rumbele control till $ony was fond guilty in a court of law and had to pay the rightful owners of that tech millions. $ony also shipped the ps2 out knowing it never worked (remember DRE ) and again it $ony was fond guilty in a court of law.
So $ony done more to hurt it customers then Anonymous could ever hope to
Is anyone else having trouble logging on to psn?
Is it because of the hacking war going on ? =/
I am...
@Dboyc310
It might be....
"PlayStation Network Connection Issues April 4, 2011
You may experience intermittent connection issues with the PlayStation Network. We are aware of the issue and are attempting to correct this as soon as possible. If you are having issues connecting online, try connecting at a later time. We apologize of any inconvenience.
Dring this time you may:
Not be able to access the PlayStation®Store
Have difficulty signing in to the PlayStation®Network
Not be able to play online games
See a maintenance page when attempting to access the PlayStation®Network
Note: When you log into the PlayStation Network, a message may appear which states, "the PlayStation Network has been suspended". This does not mean that your account has been suspended; it simply means the PlayStation Network has been taken offline. Please wait until the maintenance window has passed before attempting to connect to the PlayStation Network again. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. "
This is the reason why hackers really Grind My Gears !!!!!! First they plague some of the games I play online and now their actions are prohibiting from playing ,streaming etc. All together !! >=|
Hopefully Sony teaches them the same lesson their teaching GeoHot
Why won't people learn from others mistakes?
You guys really don't see the big picture do you, in this day in age we are in the middle of defining informatoin technology, and the right of people to access and build upon that knoweldge. This becomes increasingly difficult when the major corporations of the world decide to put a vice grip on tech and tech based info. We the people make and design this technology, sure in this example the proprietary code in question was deveolped by sony employees, it was none the less a human feat, that sony as a corparation "owns". Whilst this may be a standard for today, i would hope in the future that we could see beyond our and their selfish needs. Sony is only protecting there profitabilty and thus survivability in todays social econimic environment, free the informatoin technology and humanity will benefit. Albeit this particular example is not so much going to benefit the world as a whole, but in principle i believe it to be morally correct. A more extreme and relatable example would be pharmcutical corparatoins and all the the greed they demonstarte through not sharing their life saving medications with us, instead if you cannot afford your mediatoin you suffer. Principly these are the same issue,technicle information must be liberated, , corporations and governments have a right to hand the power and knowledge, we have been strong armed into give them, back to us. Human ingenuity is the mother of progress, not free enterprise and certainly not the blood sucking corporations of the world, ya dig!
Matthew, lets get one thing straight.
If you and your fellow Anon members got their way then their would be no money in medication and that would mean no medication at all.
Cease your operations because you are scum!
Red Dragon is right. Who produces the code the devices etc..? Not hackers they only manipulate another persons hard work. Sony is a large corporation but what about the small time guy in his basment working on a piece of software or an application that he has created? Shouldn't this person have his work protected? What about these large corp? Without them who would fund the intelligent minds of creators?
Your logic has flaws. In a perfect world everything would be free, but who would work to make these things and what would be their compensation?
NO, they aren't attention whores. Just doing what they do, so when Anon brought down the girl throwing puppies into a river ? It was all for attention?
Anon wouldn't have done shit.
People would have brought that bit of info to the police law etc.
Anon are just going to piss off every single person who wishes to use the PSN etc.
That is besides the point of pissing off a multi billion dollar company, that can happily pay for PD to chase down these people.
You can hide from your birth cert, bank accounts, houses, loans, taxes, jobs.
People though Sony would never find Graf who got busted with in 2 weeks of posting stuff.
These Anon people only assume they can get pinged.
There's a difference between somebody casually murdering puppies and someone protecing their IP.
The anons that brought down that girl differs from these basement dwellers. There are billions of anon do not forget that fact. I for one can't wait till Sony catches these idiots and put them in jail. Who honestly supports these hackers but stupid kids that want free games. Might as well attack Walmart instead.
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I don't agree with hacking... but I believe a PS3 owner has the right to do what the hell he wants with it. He bought it, so it's his to do what ever he wants. If he want's to install custom firmware then it's his problem. It's the same as buying a PC that comes with Windows OS, and you want to install another OS but can't because the pc manufacturer strictly prohibits it. Sony should just back the fuck off... and try to improve the PS3 security with better patches. Apple had the same problem... and what resulted from that is that it made jailbreaking a phone totally legal.
BTW ... from the article...
"When games aren't even that expensive, why not just buy legally? Please?"
Where I live a new console game at the store costs 65€-70€. If you say that's not expensive for a game, then you must be a rich man. I normally buy them from UK's ebay for 30-35£... and I still find them expensive.
Software companies should seriously try to sell games cheaper. The way this is going, the next console generation are going to have games at 100€ (this generation already has special edition games at 100€+ ).
owning something does not give you free reign to do whatever you want with it if that action affects others. owning your own home does not permit you to erect a fifty foot wall around its perimeter. or smear it with feces. it would diminish property value, thus affecting the value of your neighbors property. installing cfw is not the problem. its sharing the directions to do so that is.
if information should be free then so should everything. but that makes no sense. i think information, much like respect or money should be earned. hackers aren't born jailbraking anything other than the womb. they work at it. people who haven't should not be given the information to hack or install cfw because those people will more than likely not run homebrew apps and just pirate games and eff up the play experience of others cause they are looking for the easiest path.
also, accounting for inflation games are actually much cheaper than they should be. disc based games have consistently been in the $50-$60 range since 1995, and cartridge games were costing $80 in the 1980's.
So you buy car.
That gives me the right to steal it and you don't give a fuck about it.
great stuff love it.
"Sony should just back the fuck off... and try to improve the PS3 security with better patches."
They have done so, hence why pirates and cfw users can't currently use PSN, and you'll note too that they're not actually attacking anyone who jailbreaks their machine, they actually sent out a polite email to everyone with a detected device/cfw, asking them to update or face losing access to psn.
The only people they're going after, are the main people that allowed piracy to become a problem, don't make it in to some major war where Sony are out to sue every last living soul with cfw installed, because they're not.
I fail to see how them wanting to protect their customers from hackers and cheaters, and protect their business by attempting to stop piracy, and taking to court those that caused the problem, applies to the average joe who just installed a cfw.
So that means I have the right to buy a car and then remove the brakes so it will go faster.
What ever you buy you can do what you want with it within REASON.
Fact is you can take a hammer to your PS3 if you want, but if you take the property rights of the code that is running on the PC and then give or sell the items out to others, then that is stealing.
Its very simple, so stop trying to justify it by saying your brought it. because you didn't...you brought the software and agreed to their conditions when you started to use it.
I only hack ps3 games to distribute it on the internet for everyone to download for free.
..and in so doing making sure the developers get no more money as so close and then no one will have games.
Yeah, nice one!
Well written article that makes a lot of sense. Sadly only a few people will actually get it :S
We are anonymous
We are worthless
We are virgins
We are to pu$$y to show our real names
We will not forget that you prevented us from Pirating game
We mad.
not just pirate games, ruining the whole online experience, for people want to play the game.
It's annoying me, but not because of Sony because some low lifes are stopping me from accessing it.
"Do you guys remember that recent PS3 update with all those great new features? No, me neither, because all of the recent updates are security patches!"
^^^^^^^^^^
point is what
we got clouds saves and new crap is coming
they didn't drop everything to make sec. updates thing were already being worked on
Clearly you are a moron if you can't figure that out but let me help you.
Sony must focus all of it's efforts on making the PS3 more secure instead of new features and functionality because....guess....guess...fu cking hackers.
Now, you know as well. Congratulations!
point is if this bullshit continues there might be a lack of new features because of money being used on security. In the end the consumers are suffering cause of it.
C'mon every time I see an update I think to myself it must be more fucking security measures. Yea -_-, i don't want it to stay that way
his point--->
--->because hackers keep @ it on Sony
so instead of puttin new features an givin us a lil somethin extra... hackers make SONY focus nstead on security measures...
they gotta protect they own ass before anything or wont be any features to handout!
capiche?!
i see your new edit with...
ofcourse they dint drop everythin to make it more secure...
they still gonna roll features out, but will be less
basically it disrupt the flow of feature wed get anyhow!
there no right to this any way you look at it unless it just STOPS
Plus did. Not everyone. So if that continues they will essentially have to charge us to gain new features. Seems fair =D /s
P.S. i got plus to and i still care
@El-Fenemono:
You have to understand why cloud saves are a paid service, it takes real resources to build it into the game os, store the info and make that info safe, and Sony needs to offload the costs of PSN from somewhere, and make Plus subscription a worthy investment. However, some games could come with cloud save feature even for users without Plus.
That said, if cross game chat if it ever comes will be a plus feature, it will be worthless.
One of the biggest fears shared amongst PlayStation 3 owners, after the console’s massive security breach several days ago, was that wannabe hackers would exploit this weakness, and use it for their own gain to cheat and modify games online. It didn’t take long for these fears to manifest themselves as reality, and now one of the most popular online shooters around has been brought to its knees.
And this is precisely why I don’t care if you intend to pirate or not – if you’re hacking the system, you’re pissing me off. Once this trickles into games I like such as BFBC2 and RDR it’s gonna really get me riled up. What’s the point in playing using an aim-bot and other cheat crap like that? It kills the fun, flat out. We had it good, free online support, reliable service, regular updates, but nooooo, that wasn’t good enough. Ahhhh… thank god some devs still believe in making a good single player game – there’s no point in competing to see who the better cheater is.
Yeah. Citing the PSP, I think that was a system where many were willing to lose the ability to play online since it was, of course, the PSP. The PS3... not so much, so this really does suck.
WHERE were this articles back in 2009?? The hacks have been there the month MW2 got released!
The game just got more cheaters with the security breach.
I hope Sony bans and bricks people using cfw. Show no mercy!
@Istanbull
LoL, it gives them another chance to play Sony for their lack of security in MW2.
Because when people hacked, it was ok..
now since the PS3 is hacked, every1 can start pointing fingers @ Sony :)
I mean people talk as if CoD4 didn't have hacks back in '08.. b4 the jail break.
Jailbreak just made it easier 4 10 year olds to hack game.. well kodus to the dumass hackers out there..
You definitely made console gaming a better place
Agreed w/BigWoopMagazine
The entire situation is getting annoying. I keep thinking DreamCast here we go again. I knew it was going to be hacked, but not to this level. The thing that I really find funny is that I keep reading articles saying they only wanted to bring back previously removed features. I still don't see those features.
Why bring up the Dreamcast? I know some butthurt fangirls tried to downplay the PS3 and called it a disaster like the Dreamcast back in 2007.
The truth is, Dreamcast is a better console than both of the xboxs.
It was full of hacks before the breach or the jailbreak. The jailbreak just made it more accessible to people who aren't actually hackers, so they could just copy & paste the code and install..
get off of the bandwagon :L
Modern Warfare 2 Online Play Crippled by PS3 Security Breach? lol its funny how its only activision games that is affected by this i mean there lots of other multiplayer games on the ps3 im sensing shit of blames here
Modern Combat, the 8 buck CoD lite game has also been hacked...I don't see Activision's logo on that...
so you comparing activision to gameloft a small time game dev whos backlog been iphone games nice 1 FailOverHero you just prove how incompetent they are
Played all day last night with no problems. The only hack I've seen was posted on this site...
call of duty black ops is still better than crysis 2.
no multiplayer bots in crysis 2 fail.
plus no prone crawl or leaning like call of duty black ops on pc
According to a PSGroove report, infamous iPhone hacker Geohot has published PS3’s root key.
some times i wish gaming would die just so these douchebags that don't to pay for games can go back and play Tetris all day.
But Tetris is one of few games you actually have to use your brain when playing. You can`t play it blind like gow, gow, gta, gears, me etc.
lol i wouldnt be surprised if this geohot guy wakes up in a car boot going to tokyo
Actually the games you listed actually take as much and sometimes more brain activity than tetris or any daily activity. Even though you might think you are not thinking hard or someone else is not. Your brain waves show that you are thinking very hard and very fast.
I can't wait to meet Geohot at a conference or somewhere. I'm going to punch him in the face with a rock.
Simple block recognition and puzzle management uses instinct, comprehensive thinking and motor skills which is about 17% of the 10% of the brain we utilize. Now try played all the blind games you mentioned with your tv off (effectively blind) and see how far you go
Yup, it is official now. And not only PS3 but they have also acquired the keys of PSP that SONY were stupid enough to save in PS3!! So both PSP and PS3 are full blown open and they'll have a CFW very soon as they can sign every single thing and make it look like official SONY code.
No firmware updates/patches, no whitelist can work now. The only way Sony could kill this again is by going for a hardware revision and I don't think that they are going to do that.
If anything PS3 sales are going to explode now. I know piracy sucks but even the worst pirates end up buying some games.
I am reading all these doom and gloom articles about PS3 and SONY going down because it is wide open now but we all know that is not going to happen. But that's just stupid. Sony is a HUGE company!
Look at Wii and 360. They all got hacked years ago and they are still minting money. I am pretty damn sure that at least PS3 hardware sales are going to skyrocket as soon as CFW is out and probably destroy the competition!
There is no doubt Ps3 is completely open. Wide open, wider than any hacked console ever. Signing code is the ultimate hack, and its pretty much unfixable from sony's standpoint, they will only be fighting from a weak position whatever they do now.
Still, The fears about the death of PS3 resulting from this are unfounded. PS3 is now well established in the marketplace after 4 years, and the high profile PS3 exclusive games this year are nearly all sony's own which means guaranteed support and release still.
The other factor is that even if pirates buy machines and never spend a penny on genuine software, sony at least will not lose money on massive hardware sales. PS3's hardware is now selling for a profit and no longer a significant loss, so even selling a million more machines to pirates sony will not be damaged too badly financially, assuming people still pay for legit games.
The vast majority will still pay- the nature of console gaming means the pirates will always be in the minority, whereas Pc users are more likely to have the know how and ability to pirate.
@Kos-Mos: "You can`t play it blind like gow, gow, gta, gears, 'me' etc." lol yeah, you can play yourself blind.
j/k.
OT: Sony being hacked will not changed much. Most of the other systems has been hacked years ago (PSP, xbox, wii, DS, and psp GO recently), and all of them are doing fine. I think only a small number of gamers will hack their consoles, and those will not affect Sony... much.
you put down "gow" twice on your little list there. and gears is right there too so dont try and cover it up and say thats what you meant.
anyway, i think n4g needs to wake up a bit. listen dude EVERY gaming platform on the market can have games downloaded or ripped off the internet for free. it wouldnt be the end of the ps3s days if they joined the party. and yeah, with the whole usb hack, it IS a lot easier to get ps3 games free...but consider how long sonys kept hackers away. ps3 has about 2 more e3s till they unveil ps4...by then, well WHO CARES? were all gamers here right? we want the latest and greatest, RIGHT? by the time these hacks can do some serious damage, ps3s will be collecting dust.
so please, unless your actually interested in the homebrew aspect...stop paining for your big black boxes, making these articles top news.
all the people crying on this thread are incredibly immature and you need to get real lives.
These guys are just blaming the removal of the OtherOS to excuse themselves that it took them 4 years to crack it.
These guys are good, I will give them that! But, what are these guys after?! Fame?! Fortune?! What for?! They cant handle social interaction unless it involves a basement and a greesy keyboard.
Geohot just wants a job by doing what? Cracking securities in an electronical device?! Whats next? A "profissional" thief teaching banks how to secure their money?! How about asking a mass murderer how to prevent mass assassinations...
"Geohot just wants a job by doing what? Cracking securities in an electronical device?!"
You do realize that's an actual job right?
@Cloudx77
You know what I mean. But to put it simpler to you, imagine hiring a pedophile to work on a kindergarden. See the irony?! I know there are people who work on companies to iron out the potential flaws in a device security. But this guy has a past of wrong doing. Hire him would just be wrong and would encourage others to try and do the same.
Yes GrieverSoul these guys obviously lack any form of social interaction, its not like they got up on stage in-front of a large audience and camera's and talked for 40+ minutes.
Now if a person can do that, which most people struggle to do confidently i would say they are quite good at social interaction.
Edit: and you can't even compare this to a pedophile working in a kindergraden, giving a hacker a job in helping security is noting like the scary and disturbing scene you just painted
"A "professional" thief teaching banks how to secure their money?!"
Right, because that sort of thing never happens
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@all above
You guys are so focused in tearing my comment down and forgot the real issue here. Maybe u guys like stuff like this. Maybe piracy is a good thing in your eyes but its really not. Its a bad thing. Piracy might help console sales but it wont help the software sales. Games costs much more that they used to in the last generation. People tend to say that the PS2 was pirated and it sold buckets! But tend not to look at software sales. In the PS2, a million copies sold was an achievment, but right now it barely fits to cover production costs.
Maybe its bacause I have a job and get paid that I see things in a diferent way. Intelectual property is a serious business for me.
@Griever
I think most here will agree to not want piracy.
But the thing is we all focused on your original comment as it was a pile of crap, where you failed to even mention the main point of piracy yourself.So don't complain that we forgot to talk about it when you didn't mention it yourself.
We guys dont think like the hackers they just want linux and run homebrew they dont care about pirating games.
if these hackers intention is to improve security, then they would send their work result to sony, not showing it off in a conference. this is just another whos-got-a-bigger-dick contest.
i dont mind these hackers hack things up as long as they keep it personal and try to remind the company to develop a better security. the problem is they are so cocky explaining the method that piracy will take it as an opportunity. huge companies like sony or ms wouldnt be troubled that much by this. im sure they have lots of programmers to tackle this. the victim is the consumer: delayed game, system update, false-accused banned user, the list goes on.
dont you guys learn anything from PC gaming? next time PC user complaining about CoD being underperformed in PC, remember that its pirated version downloaded more than sold in PS3 (around 4 million). if i were the developer, i wouldnt even bothered to develop it on PC.
@ Crazyfrog
I know exactly what you and griever mean, and people DO get jobs for security with their hacking experience, but I think what griever means is how much can you trust them? I mean, great, you have someone who knows security code and whatnot very well, but is it that far fetched to think that the person in question wouldn't use that experience in a malicious way again for his own benefit? I mean just look at the people who worked for Sony, some shady employee releases the USB key to further HIS own means, NOT the industry (which he is hurting,but in a funny way,is screwing himself because profits wouldn't be as big)
I don't think this will mean much really.
I remember Geohot saying each PS3 has a completely different key so grabing 1 key from 1 PS3 is pointless, you'd need to grab the PS3 key from the PS3 itself before anything could work and in saying that you'd still not have the overall key to the CELL as GeoHot couldn't get that key anyway.
Read what he said last time.
That's when Sony came out and said the CELL chip can't be hacked and that came from IBM before all this came up.
Sure a hacker can claim to have busted a system but they don't make the system, if Sony alter the system or the CELL well hackers have gotten no where.
Also all this stuff comes from Sony firmware code being leaked not hackers busting the system them selves.
I do think it's funny how they keep saying it's only for home-brew when there's no home-brew on the PS3 in the first place bar yellowdog.
And on top of that the only home brew you could say from that was the xbox movie software being ported to it that's been it.
People wanting to run 8-bit games from the early 80's is a laugh as well, because that's what everyone :roll's eyes: wants to play on their brand new 2011 PS3.
These guys are the most hypocritical people. If they just want their fame, they could show that they've done it WITHOUT RELEASING IT TO THE PUBLIC. They must truly hate Sony, because by releasing this to everyone, they're condoning piracy as if they caused it themselves. If they had just said "we've done it, but you're not getting it," that would have been commendable and Sony might have gotten in touch with them. Now, EVERY gaming system is a mess. Why won't these hackers just die already?
"[I]t'd be fun to be on the other side."
Other side of bars? Or other side of receiving end, when he lands a job picking up soaps in prison showers.
@GrieverSoul
Actually... People do get paid to hack a companies service, the company hires hackers to test out their security, if the hackers hack them, they pay the hackers and then patch that exploit. And yes there are professional thiefs who probably where hired to keep banks secured, I doubt it really happens because in real life circumstances are different. And yes there are people who are hired to prevent mass assassinations such as the Secret Service,etc.. no offense but your argument fails, doesn't mean I disagree with your opinion, your argument is just weak.
People with unique skills in this area frequently consult, advise, and develop everything from risk-assessments to the code used to correct or circumvent these issues.
Failing for 4 years, then giving up and resorting to the theft of stolen internal code & hardware key, then claiming the security is "Epic Fail" is an "Epic Fail" in itself!
I can already see several alternative authentication approaches even with the root key known, that would invalidate any 'hack' -- Signed code or not.
The simplest validation of every program, signature, block and byte, then locking that system as authenticated, using on-system and remote authorization...finally, all new programs added are marked per-system, uniquely encrypted based on that system at the content-level. You can copy all you want and no matter what key you have, nothing will authenticate or run because all authentication is inferred.
At more complex levels, this can be extended to reading and writing encoded blocks and sectors on the storage device if needed. The validation code ideally would run entirely inside the Cell, which is designed just for this type of security. Once the longer, byte-by-byte validation is complete, only incremental additions and updates are needed...so it's slow ONCE for something new, then key's unique to that system and program are generated, and the file is encrypted with remotely provided, or locally unique code locked to that machine. No other machines key's would matter in this setting.
The system-unique codes I would base on individually generated random authentication signatures created from the actual program, file, or update package itself...this code is then sent and compared to an identical but independent database and only then is the unique key that allows the program to run provided. (With no shared source or comparison, both signatures must match -- even a program with a tiny hack shows up as a red-flag both locally and upon remote confirmation)
Essentially, for ProgramX to authenticate and run, you would need every single bit of ProgramX with absolutely nothing extra or authentication and function will fail.
The Hypervisor in OtherOS did a comparable job (relatively speaking)...and so well it was impenetrable without the hardware rom-swap glitch being needed to execute unauthorized code.
Since the PS3 is a largely closed system, every known, valid code and signature of the less than 1500 individual games and programs can be accounted for.
A small Cell program would slice a unique series of bits out of a new program, based on the console, system statistics, the program, code, length, details, dependencies, remote or local inscription, etc...
That signature is compared to the remote one, or a local validation database that does not rely on some simple checksum, but physical signature content verification.
Even with every key you can extract you get nothing you can run.
...and this is just one idea in 5 minutes, yawning, while taking a break at the end of my New Years vacation.
I'm sure there are even better idea's to sidestep this "epic fail" that was an "epic fail" of hackers who couldn't even do a decent job without stolen keys, code, and the debug system operating exactly as Sony designed it.
There are many ways to keep the system easy to use by the legitimate gamer and impossible to use...or enough of a nuisance that to thieves and casual pirates it's just not worth the trouble.
I'm sure I'll think of a few more as soon as I'm asked. (looks at seconds ticking...sighs...checks email...17 new messages, 16 from Sony - most titled "H E L P !"...)
"so these douchebags that don't to pay for games"
why is it always piracy with you people? Sure hacking consoles opens the gateway to piracy but believe it or not there ARE other major benefits from having a hacked console.
Piracy may be the bad but the good heavily outweighs the bad every time with a hacked console because it allows YOU to do what YOU want to your purchased machine and have a lot more features/uses.
Take a look at the PSP...well, that kind of failed because it was hacked like day 1. But looking pass piracy, you can do SO much more with Custom Firmware PSP than anything Sony ever intended for it or could possibly TRY coming up with. I'm still on a day 1 PSP-1000 model! Yes, it's hacked. And if it wasn't, I doubt I'd even still have that somewhat p.o.s. hardware 5 years later.
So yeah, I'm all for this. I say congrats and about time the PS3 has been hacked. I can't wait for custom firmware rollouts and the homebrew apps/enablers that follow!
It's funny that you claim there are major benefits to hacking consoles (aside from piracy) and you give exactly zero benefits (aside from piracy) to support that claim. There is one constant to hacking a console/handheld. You need a PC. As much as you see people saying "LOLCONSOLES!!! PC IS A BEAST!!!" (You are one of them when it fits your mood, Blaze929) a person would think that those same people know that a PC can do all of the things that hacked consoles can do, but much better. You have a PSP-1000 not because of the whatever benefits. You have a PSP-1000 because you can play free games. You have a hacked 360 because you can play free games. You'll buy a PS3 and get it hacked. . . So that you can play free games.
@Blaze929
WoW dont delude yourself, youre just a pirate hiding under the mantra of Homebrew.
The so called "p.o.s psp 1000" hardware still runs games just like the first day and just like the psp Go! today your point being???.
The psp is one of the most hacked console of all time, the poor support it has is cos of it, there is not looking beyong the hacking cos hacking is all that is left of that console. Making youre comment just all the more stupid.
The fact that you bring that console up is all i need to know what kind thief you are.
"You are one of them when it fits your mood, Blaze929) "
um...I'm not even a PC Gamer. PC + Games doesn't even exist to me.
"You have a PSP-1000 because you can play free games. "
free games? What games have came out for the PSP in the last two years even worth downloading o_O? I buy all my games buddy.
"You have a hacked 360 because you can play free games."
actually..my 360 is legit, I pay and play on Xbox LIVE. No need to get banned and buy a new console.
"You'll buy a PS3 and get it hacked. . . So that you can play free games. "
um, already own a PS3.
what else do you want to be wrong at? idiot. As I said above, I buy all my games buddy. Got the library to prove it as well. so keep talking that nonsense as if you have any idea about what you're talking about. and I gave zero benefits? Looks like someone can't read clearly then....or all you saw was the word piracy huh? cry more :)
I jailbroke my iPhone, iPhone 3Gs and iPhone 4, does that make me a dirty pirate? I jailbroke those devices to pirate apps? $9.99 top apps? $10 f'ing dollars?
No, I jailbroke my iPhone so i can do what the heck I want to it that Apple does not allow or are to slow to bring to the firmware.
So what difference is there between hacking any other electronic devices, like smart phones, from gaming consoles?
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@cemelc - delude myself? Oh right because you know me and who I am right? right.
The PSP does not get poor support because of it being simply hacked. The Wii and Xbox 360 are BOTH more hacked than probably every PSP sold to date. Don't see those two consoles receiving any less support do you?
It's so easy to blame piracy for a device that was doomed from the beginning with a company who didn't know where they wanted to go with it.
You can call me what you want. I don't really care. You don't know me and I don't pirate games. Mad because your precious PS3 is hacked? Think it will end up like the PSP? Are the 360 or Wii hurting because of hacking? No
I'll ask the same to you: So what difference is there between hacking any other electronic devices, like smart phones, from gaming consoles?
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The reason why PSP was so POS, was because developers didn't see the worth in working so hard on a PSP game just to see it pirated all to Hell and making no money!
I personally intend on playing good games when I buy hardware and whatever else the damn custom firmware can do, if it F's up that, it's not worth it! I'd rather pay for good games, than pirate crappy shovelware and play mods; I'd buy a mod machine for that!
Lol im not mad why would I???
So losing any way to go online just cos you want to run a few emulators of ness is worth the risk of getting your a$$ banned from psn/live???? Yeah right... i mean what kind of app you could get from a console that you cant get from pc better.
Youre a pirate thats what you are, dont care if i dont know you, dont care if you lie about it, but dont pretend that ppl dont realize youre a thief.
Well there you go, to understand where I'm coming from you should probably know that I do not care about PSN or gaming online on the PS3 at all - like I said, I pay and use Xbox LIVE. I never do nor will I buy any multiplayer games on PS3 vs the 360. Same goes for multiplatform games - choice will always be 360.
So as far as, "So losing any way to go online just cos you want to run a few emulators of ness is worth the risk of getting your a$$ banned from psn/live???? Yeah right."
Yeah, that is right, because I couldn't care less about getting banned from a service I don't use. I prefer Xbox LIVE and always will. I only have 3 actual friends i KNOW on PSN vs the 25+ on LIVE. I won't be missed nor will I miss anything on PSN.
So yeah, "running a few emulators of ness" would be TOTALLY worth it for me :).
I don't know why you are even arguing with me or trying to change my opinion on this. Just accept the fact that there are people out there who like to toy and modify their electronics, not ONLY for piracy. Like you're trying to convert my religious views or something, give it up :)
Let me get this, youre willing to play on live but youre not willing to play on psn???? Even worse, by that youre implying that theres worth in hacking the ps3 while not the 360...ummm i get it now, i wont spell it, but aside from pirate youre something else too(pretty clear by that post).
BTW you still dodge the question why hack PS3 for ness emulators while you can get that from the pc with all the support you could possibly want, you dont even need a core 2 for that heck i think a pentium 4 can run them all.
Heck youre even worse than the 10 year old pirate, at least they dont have the money to get games so they go the extra mile to get what they cant otherwise, you on the other hand didnt complain once of price tags and stuff, you just steal on the whim of doing so.
Im not trying to change your mind, wasnt my intention from the beginning just calling things for what they are.
@ CemelC
of course you dont need a dual core for ness games.
ANY Windows computer can run 8 bit nes emulator, I've seen computers in the garbage that can run nes emulators.
You can even run n64 on computers with less than pentium 4, not much but you can.
not like this really has anything to do with your point. lol sorry
"It's funny that you claim there are major benefits to hacking consoles (aside from piracy) and you give exactly zero benefits (aside from piracy) to support that claim"
Using Linux, backing up games, backing up the boot software to brick-proof the system, playing fan translations, playing games directly from the HDD to minimize load times.
And that's with PS3 Homebrew in the sorry state that it's been (though that is all going to change, now). If you want to look at what Homebrew can do given some time, I would direct you to the product of the Wii community. Brick-proof, region-free, custom mods for games like Brawl, and with most games playable in full HD.
The modding community is a wonderful place.
Damn, you are so selfish man, it's always about you and yourself. Hacking maybe good for YOU, but it's not good for the developers. By whom do you think your games have made? So you show your respect and support for your games' creator by downloading and playing their games for free? It's not entirely about sales anymore, it's about morality. Your argument about Piracy < benefit should be down the toilet.
There are really only four things that would make me do it. Custom soundtracks in every game, mkv support, .srt support and finally external ntfs usb harddrive support. These are things that would be fucking awesome to have but never will be added for one reason or another. I say this because the ps3 has already been hacked, the damage is done, if i could choose betwen the features above and a unhacked ps3 then unhacked all the way. Tis because the games are the most important feature.
Another awsome hack would be the ability to load your profile and saves off a usb stick. And to be able to move console locked saves, wtf is up with that anyway? The saves are locked to a profile, why also a console? We could get a new web browser, crome perhaps? And a ps2/dc emulator in every ps3! We might even get gc/wii emulators. This whole hacking thing would be fucking awsome if people wouldnt use it to pirate ps3 games:(
I'd consider hacking mine if I saw something that's even worth the hassle. Like some real cool custom firmwares or our own dynamic themes and stuff like that but I wouldnt pirate games. I buy all my games. I'd only ever consider pirating a game if it was some half assed game that deserves to be pirated. Like you know when lazy devs release a shit game with tons of bugs and just sucks in general and slap a $60 price tag and put it aside with great games that are worth that 60. But then again, it still aint ok to pirate shitty games...but just a consideration if I ever did lol.
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Too bad ps3 games are not even worth playing lol. Hope someone ports XBMC to it so I can turn it on again hahaha.
By that logic there are only about six games on the market worth playing (Halo, Gears, Alan Wake, Fable, Splinter Cell, L4D). Because the rest can all be played on PS3. If you limit yourself to only six games then I feel sory for you.
piracy sucks, but of all the consoles to be hacked PS3 is probably the one that should be. Only so people can use linux and utilize the power of the cell processor for other things like they used to be able to. but d-bags will be d-bags and of course there will be pirates. I don't see the point when 95% of my gaming fun is from online multiplayer which you don't usually get with pirated copies.
umm no... Piracy is why you dont have linux on Ps3. 360 and PC are hacked and we wonder what happened to pc and 360 exclusives.
psp failed due to piracy because you didnt even need to buy a mod chip. any kid with google can mod a psp.
also, tons of people hate playing games online, black ops was downloaded 4 million times on pc for singleplayer only.
@ Vaud-Villian:
Lol, did you really just suggest we only use 10% of our brain? You do realize that's simply an old nonsense statistic with zero backing. Way to try to sound informed and fall flat on your face :D
Although I'm pissed at all those bummy motherfuckers that are gonna pirate games...I'm a little exited at the possibilities of homebrew. Maybe they can make all PS3's backward compatible with homebrew emulator? Dunno but then again I'd prefer an HD remake of a game then playing a shitty ass pixelated PS2 game on a HDTV.
bitch and moan all you want. the more sophisticating the hacking the better technology gets. it's a win win.
Tis a real shame. This is really gonna hurt Sony and I hear of 1 use activation codes coming with EVERY game on the PS3 from now on.
this wont really hurt sony,because a lot of people will buy legit retail...just look at the 360 that console has been cracked but software is still being sold.
Pretty sure Sony can still block/ ban online cheating/ hacked accounts and consoles just like MS does. So they could really just pull an X-mas ban wave like MS and rake in the console sales every year or so.
I understand that this is a software sort of hack, so they can reverse engineer like the PSP. Hypervisor is still untouched though (see: Eurogamer's DF article), but Sony really messed up on not including a random number in their code-signing process. That said, PS3 online use will be easier to track than PSP piracy, as the majority of PSP pirates rarely, if ever, play online (whereas almost all modern games feel the need to have an online component).
Edit: @ below. I don't understand fervently arguing over a situation like this is for. We have no idea, what - if any - Sony's response will be and piracy has existed on pretty much EVERY game platform for the past many years. That said, games and systems still sell, unabated. Piracy is not so publicly widespread, nor does it utterly cripple retail as these frantic articles might lead you to believe.
@ Chris399
I wasn't aware late 2009 was yearS ago and I'm pretty sure the JTAG only works on Xboxs that came out around, before or after a certain date, not sure the requirement but not most of them.
Changing the disc drives firmware to play pirated games isn't cracking the console either. The rest of the console remains untouched. The PS3 is completely cracked at this point according to these guys. Its just a matter of time before it gets to the public.
Lunatic
Dude I know people who have been downloading and playing Xbox 360 games for years. Say what you will but it's been hacked for years. Same with the DS and PSP. And yes 2009 was years ago. It's 2011 already.
Stop the spinning bro. it doesn't matter what or how you do it. IE firmware, hardware, blah blah blah. If you can play pirated software then the console is hacked.
Major difference, wii and x360 need some sort of modification that can be detected online to be hacked. This hack requires ZERO modification at all.
Let me explain this to you this way, xbox and wii hacks are like a bunch of thugs storming into a bank, guns blazing and getting the cash and running off with the alarm screaming!
Ps3 hack is like getting a copy of the bank managers keys, along with every single door code and vault combination. Simply walk in, take what you need without triggering any alarms and waltz out.
Whats my point? There aren't as many people are willing to do the work required to hack an x360 or wii as there are people who would rather have it easy and with no detection.
If you think this won't hurt Sony then you haven't seen PSP software sales. If Vgchartz is to be believed, PSP has an attach rate of 2.88...compare that with PS3's 7.17 and you realise just how much of an impact easy pirating have.
If attach rates mean nothing to you then let me simplify
Ps3 sales. 46 million. Games sold 330 million
PSP sales. 65 million
Games sold 190 million
See what I mean?
@Chris399 True that, but it's wasting resources and man power that could have gone on to improve the PS3, improve games under development, or development for the next Sony system. Imagine if Microsoft was able to divert some of its time and energy to fixing that whole RRoD event instead of their ban hammer. Every time these hackers win, we all lose something in the long run.
Seriously this is not a problem. The fans will still buy the games. Just look at Wii and the 360. The ps2 was chipped a long time ago. Every one went to the bank anyway.
Just look at PSP game sales. . .190 million even at 65 million units sold. Thats less than 3 games per psp. You're underestimating the effects of easy hacking and easy piracy. Xbox and wii need mods. You need to wake up if you really believe this isn't bad
Lunatic, you are true to your name indeed.
The 360 was hacked and modded units available in 2006. It's funny how people totally just draw a blank with memory cause I remember how the 360 gamers were so mad at these hackers when news broke and they called them vile vermin
Now in 2011, the PS3 "is said" to be hacked and all I see is "Sony is teh doomed!!!" but the 360 has been for over 4yrs now but "that only helps MS win! lol" ... :/
Theres too much proof pushing towards it being legit. On Geohots website, he thanks Fail0verflow, remember a few days ago they were talking about the security of the PS3?
And Geohot has been working on it since before the removal of the Other OS feature.
I hope Sony snap him up for the security of future products such as the PSPhone and the PSP2.
btw Im all out of bubs :(
Or
He some how ended up falling out the back of a train while moving, or maybe off the platform one dark night you know after a few days of no one being able to find him.
That happens as well.
I wouldn't give the douche a job, primarily because of all the trouble hes caused. Sony would just look foolish to hire some hacker. Who knows if you can even trust him, he leaks information onto the internet frequently. So I don't think it would be a good choice on Sony's part.
I Did . . . and sent over the offer 29 minutes ago with his job description -- So when he's ready to start, he knows . . .
The Mops Over There.
So this mean the PS3 will be the first ever home console which can be hacked purely through software without any need to pay for addition stuff like a modchip for the 360.
This could become a lot more popular than 360/Wii/PSP piracy if there is absolutely no risk whatsoever of being caught and its as easy as they are saying.
Digital Foundary hit the nail on the head here:
Hardware hacks like flashed Xbox 360 DVD drives and modchipped Wiis seem to introduce an inherent limitation that stops a majority of devices from being modified: maybe people just don't have the skill or the willingness to toss away their warranties. But a full software hack like this one, compatible with all machines currently on the market, can spread like wildfire.
@Chris399
You don't get it. These keys allow the hacked code to not be distinguishable from Sony's own code. 360 mods are hardware and can be tracked, this is purely software as stated by DF. Sony can't do anything to stop it, if they do EVERY SINGLE game/app etc on the PS3 will stop working. Its full proof, you don't even need CFW to do it since you can sign you own apps to be like Sony's. You should read the details more carefully.
You clearly haven't read all the info. There are certainly ways to track modded/ custom firm ware use ONLINE (MS has demonstrated this), and nearly 100% of games these days have online components, MP, Leaderboards or whatever.
Edit: I DO get it. But you seem to think that there is no software response that Sony can issue. In the DF article, it even states that all games moving forward can be made to work with NEW development keys implemented after 3.41 (or whatever, can't recall the number). So, going into 2011, I full concur that this is a bit of a sh!tstorm, but really it's nowhere near the apocalypse that you seem to be preaching. Piracy has been around for many, many years, and all of these companies still seem to be in business. So much of this is Chicken Littling.
You're missing the point. There is NO MODDED FIRMARE or MODCHIPS. He found a way to burn games so that they look 100% legit.
What are they gonna do if they catch you with a bootleg disk in your machine?
Ban the machine forever if it ever has a bootleg disk? (that won't happen since the machine has not been modified).
Ban the current account if they detect a bootleg disk? (that won't happen either, but it if does, create a new FREE account)
He just told you that a custom firmware wouldnt be needed. any custom apps would just be loaded with sonys own code so the ps3 would allow you to play it. you would still be on sonys officail firmware hense very hard to detect since the system itself is not "hacked"
You realize the hardware that produces the "key" can be flashed. All hackers have done is show Sony the hole they're using. It's like robbing a bank and leaving a Google map to your house.
@Chris399
Shouldn't waste your time with Ziro. He believes that this is bigger then it really is. He's one of those types that believes (hopes) that this will lead to less software and sales for the PS3 because of a few hacks
I think this will pretty much turn into the PSjailbreak all over again. People coming out of the woodwork declaring the end for Sony, when in reality, this makes little impact to most people. Kind of like the PSjailbreak, the first tool that was supposed to end it all for the PS3.
"What are they gonna do if they catch you with a bootleg disk in your machine? "
Um...they *could* have you arrested and force you to pay a $250,000 fine, actually.
The only reason Microsoft hasn't done this is it's bad PR. But it's certainly on the table. They could ruin your life.
@frostypants
I'm not an expert, but, technically yes, it's illegal. But no one I've ever known has been in trouble for having a bootleg copy of something (ask any iPod owner).
I believe in some cases you are allowed to backup your own possessions (then "lose" the original).
It's basically the same as your friend giving you a copy of some of his MP3s, you think the FBI is going to time and money checking people's DVD and Music collection looking for non-originals?
Making mass copies and selling copies, yes, that will cause problems.
[NOTE: I'm leaving morality out of this conversation. Only talking about legal issues.]
Software security is a two-way street. Full software hacks inherently are also limited by their own exploits. All this means is the ongoing battle between corp security and hackers continues. But continue living in the dream world where this somehow topples the PlayStation empire Zir0..
Yep for a long time. People will still buy quality though unless they are trolls in the first place.
the Hacker's do not seem to care at all..what they do!
they disreguard the security software of all game consoles, which means further an further away from open systems until, the only point where everything will require you to pay something over time for each an every game, no freebies nothing giving away for free.
where everything is more along the lines designed as a MMO or god forbid :
Saturday, 19 April 2008
Self Destructive DVD
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but you already payed for it copy away..but it's copy is tied to your one machine.
you buy the disc..but the content is your's for the life of your machine..but it's still tied to your one machine..lol
if your Machine dies than re-download it for a small fee