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Hackers obtain PS3 private cryptography key due to epic programming fail? (video)

Engadget reports: The 27th annual Chaos Communication Conference already hacked encrypted GSM calls with a $15 cellphone, but there was a second surprise in store this morn -- the souls who unlocked the Nintendo Wii's homebrew potential (and defended it time and again) claim to have broken into the PlayStation 3 as well. Last we left the black monolith, Sony had won a round, forcing the community to downgrade their firmware for any hope at hacking into the console. Well, the newly formed fail0verflow hacking squad says that won't be a problem any longer, because they've found a way to get the PS3 to reveal its own private cryptography key -- the magic password that could let the community sign its very own code.

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Kushan5626d ago (Edited 5626d ago )

Private key means they can make their own programs (without having to jailbreak the PS3). Having access to the NOR means they can exploit the PS3 from boot, without the need for any kind of dongle.

Expect to see a .pup update file, in a few weeks, that hacks the PS3 in much the same way as the wii is hacked today.

And it's NOT easy for Sony to patch.

Expect PS3 sales to go through the roof, while game sales start slipping.

But on the bright side - Linux is back!

Kon_Artist 5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

lol. hear that one before

deafwing5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

this is a wow moment indeed

wow

but there are programmers on both side of the battle; they will try to patch this.

lol@iPad hack (1 day)

divideby05625d ago

yea... the so few who do this aint a rounding error on game sales, regardless of console...
not against it, just the few who hack it make it sound like its mainstream... and its not even close

Peppino75625d ago

I wonder how sony will react to this.

captain-obvious5625d ago

can someone please explain all this fuss in English ??

blackbeld5625d ago

This time Sony is in big trouble. I wonder how Sony gonna win this. I think Sony will loose this battle.

NewMonday5625d ago

Still the same issues with the PS3JB, large file size, losing online play, void warranty
It's not as convenient as pirating the DS or PSP.

Focker4205625d ago

@blackbeld

How are Sony in big trouble?? Sure software sales will drop a little bit, but hardware sales are gonna go through the roof. Its not like this one exploit will kill off the PS3 like it did the PSP.

deafwing5625d ago

you make a good point

"sony doesn't make all the games we play" .. if you don't give devs incentives to make games (and that's money) then game development will also drop

Motorola5625d ago

All Sony need to do is the somehow fix it with a firmware update, then put the update on Uncharted 3 required to play. :D

UCMEandICU5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

The 360 has been hacked and modded 360s readily availible for over 4years now. That hasn't stopped developers from developing on the 360. Infact companies like Square Enix have only supported the 360 even more.

I dont' understand these hacker jargon at all but all I can think is well JB was supposed to be this huge thing that would cripple the PS3 and we had article upon article of anti-PS3 gamers laughing at how the PS3 is supposedly easy to hack even with a microwave

but Jailbreak turned out to be weak. Only morbid hackers bothered with it and now this comes up and the same anti-sony gamers seem to be salivating calling this one THE MAIN ONE that will surely cripple the PS3

but then again I have to ask, how can it hurt software sales that bad if they only discovered this recently but the 360 has been hacked since the second month it launched but it still sells software in the millions anyway.

I think anti-PS3 gamers are just dying to find a reason to laugh a bit but at the end of the day, these "hacks" turn out to be a very meh issue and they end up looking kind of stupid.

PixlSheX5625d ago

Sony is in a big problem? Maybe. But this does not compromise games in any way! They themselves say that they do NOT have the keys to sign GAMES because they change everytime. And they change everytime because sony's internal studios (E.g Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games) use different keys. They said that it's possible to get them but they are not planning to do it. You can see it for at 43:35 on the first video.

JhawkFootball065624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

You guys dont get it, they have the private key. They can create there own packages, firmwares, etc, and the ps3 will think they are authentic since it is signed with that key, without any jailbreak or whatever. They can now hack any console regardless of system firmware since all they need to do is make a package that hacks it. This means that they can still go online since they will be on the current firmware. The only way for sony to fix this is to create a new private key but that would mean every single package, update, etc from the beginning of the ps3 to that update will be unusable. The ps3 is hacked, for good

AndrewRyan5624d ago

Watch the second video, explains it all. Basically expect what is up with the Wii, homebrew and everything.

Eamon5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

Wow, this basically means every PS3 manufactured up till date is vulnerable due to the idiot cryptographer who used the same "random number" in the security's algorithm.

It's not that the security is weak. It just has this one fatal and idiotic flaw. And some people have managed to discover this flaw. That's why they called this flaw an Epic Fail.

The amount of access and control... Yep, this might start resembling the Wii scene. And just when I thought the PS3 scene was dying out. lol

MAJ0R5624d ago

wow thank u ppl for finally passing this after me and many other ppl submitted this as a valid article

http://n4g.com/news/671471/...

JohnnyHalo5624d ago

Wow, now sony's probably gonna remove another feature to patch this. Let me guess the buddy list feature?
NO WAIT!! hopefully it'll be psn home, that thing is just plain horrible.

ChickeyCantor5624d ago

"lol. hear that one before"

man, people really take this stuff as religion.

I mean for fuck sake, in denial much?

blahblah5624d ago

@deafwing

as a coder i can tell you for sure... they cannot patch this. in video they say keys are on non updateable hw. and even if they wouldn't be...

if they'd change their keys and make current ones invalid, all games you have would stop working. they'd simply fail on check whether game is legitimate application or not.

simple patch would be adding keys for new games while providing sane random function, but they cannot disable old ones unless they screw their customers. another one would be providing simple list of sony legitimate apps in update basis, but that wouldn't fly either. not all ps3 have internet connection.

based on all this it just means linux and homebrew is here to stay.

getting to rsa keys has lot less with piracy than it has with developing custom apps and running linux.

beside the fact, i'll still buy legitimate games just as i did. only reason why homebrew and linux are in my interests is sony failing to provide support for mkv and having sound server like i can have it on linux. my ps3 is connected to damn awesome speaker system, but its audio player simply fails. i'd be damn happy to share sound device and play there directly from my computers

sinclaircrown5624d ago

Video game piracy isn't what it used to be. Like someone else posted here, it hasn't really hurt the 360 and thats been hacked for a long time.

Its not like the days where you could put a snes game on a floppy disc. Its too much of an inconveniece for most gamers now. Especially losing online play.

Its a moot point from now on IMO.

zag5624d ago

It won't mean much to Sony as they will simply make all their game releases online only via PSN.

Forget about buying a disk in a plastic box, forget about some pirate group ripping the disk for you.

it'll become the same way selling games has become for the PC, you don't see PC games get released at stores anymore because there's no point as the disk is just holding a steam release.

that'll still need steam to install and then update etc, even if the game doesn't need steam they'll use steam to collect the key and check it off the key list.

the PS3 will simply go the same way game stores will cease to exist with in 2 years.

even non game programs on the PC have gone online release only now.

Pirating 15 years ago and the scene was really great and I can fully understand why the pirate groups hate P2P file sharers because those people are simply ripping everyone off and don't give two fucks about it, as they have destroyed the scene majorly, instead of proper rips etc now it's just people sitting at home putting up crap that doesn't work under groups names trying to grab the lime light etc

zag5624d ago

@blahblah

They wouldn't know what you can really do with the HW.

This is another software hack that gives the code, it's a software problem not HW.

IBM have said the CELL isn't hackable and Sony have said what IBM have said.

IBM came up with the CELL chip Sony bankrolled it and Toshiba made them, now Sony own the CELL factory they could alter the CELL again who knows, it's not the same chips as when the PS3 first released anyway.

Also I'm not really sure if they could do signed software as each PS3 has it's own key, so while you might be able to do your own signed software it'd only be for 1 PS3 not a whole bunch.

RedDevils5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

@captain-obvious maybe you should start taking English class and not skipping them, then maybe you probably understand what is written here ;/

jadenkorri5624d ago

again the ps3 is hacked, wait just a bunch of hogg wash that most people aren't gonna understand, and sorry, wheres the ps3 hacked or homebrew apps running on the ps3. It was all talk like GeoHotz, but no proof. Ill eat my own words when the proof is revealed, but sony probably already working on how to fix this.

HappyGaming5624d ago

Well its been fun but...
Say good buy to Game OS guys Sony will have to remove it now so the PS3 will have no OS left.

I kid I kid :P

RedDragan5624d ago

This flaw is so epic that it took them 4 years to find it!!!

Sounds to me like the security on PS3 was pretty effective.

deafwing5624d ago

@UCMEandICU

so you seriously don't think that it hurts devs that their games get pirated?

I understand that not all console owners will pirate software but at the same time my point is that it's a debilitating thing to see your efforts made free when you aim is to make a buck. That can make any man/woman rethink his approach on that goal.

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happyface5625d ago

this is pretty awesome news for most people

bad news for sony

Focker4205625d ago

Its really not as big of a deal as people are making it. The amount of people that will pirate games is miniscule in the grand scheme of things.

rob60215624d ago

Say hello to cheaters Online for me. Awesome news for most people? Maybe you.

nycredude5625d ago

Seriously this is a complete waste of everyones time. What kind of benefits so far has all this hacking of the Ps3 brought to us gamers, except free games running off hardrive? I care about games and extra functionality.

if you are going to work so hard to hack it then at least bring the community some things worth hacking it for like you own os. How about bring Gingerbread to it, or give ability to make your own dynamic themes or something! Instead we have nothing but this BS by time it all said and done the Ps4 will be out already while they are still working on the Ps3. Hackers = failed!

Dark_Overlord5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

The only thing that has tempted me thus far to even considering this is the homebrew video players.

Being able to put any disc in and play any video file in existence is a big plus for me (I loves me some fansubs :) )

I honestly couldn't care less about being able to play DL'd games (Although I'm sure many would) I love buying games so I can physically display them on my shelves :)

GrandTheftZamboni5625d ago

The benefit is that all of us can now make our own games. It's easy especially on the PS3.

/sarcasm

Look_Behind5624d ago

LOL The hackers create stuff that they want, if you want some extra functions, make them yourself and stop complaining that they arent making stuff you want.

The homebrew scene is going to take off now you can sign your own things :D

ChickeyCantor5624d ago

"Seriously this is a complete waste of everyones time. What kind of benefits so far has all this hacking of the Ps3 brought to us gamers, except free games running off hardrive? I care about games and extra functionality. "

Running a full OS of it?
I know there isn't much of Ram in there.
But an OS like FluxBox( or alike) could serve its purpose.

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cemelc5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

Can this help ppl play on the psn???

Didnt think so. So its still stupid. In this gen where single player games are 10 hours long and longevity of the game is based on online, its really stupid hack to a console.

Take cod as an example 5 hour sp. Borderlands and l4d(by this i dont mean l4d for the ps3 just and example) wouldnt work without coop.

Dark_Overlord5625d ago

I'm guessing yes, as anything could be signed to be viewed as a legit file. No need to hack the PS3, all files would be recognised as legit ones.

cemelc5625d ago

From the ps3? yes but from the blue ray? Nope.

Its all the same, all these pirates the only thing they are doing is forcing developers to use DRM and online passes, so they will be screw and so are we.

Not their fault but ours.

Look_Behind5624d ago

Fallout. CHECKMATE
There are more games offline based than online ones.

cemelc5624d ago

@Look_Behind

Yeah your point being?

That your going to play half of the games every year?

Just this year you missed

Red Dead Redemption coop && Multiplayer.
Assesine creed Multiplayer.
Batllefield Multiplayer.
Borderlands GOTY completly.
Mag completely.
Killzone && Dc universe online beta And both games in the near future.
From psn Castle crasher coop.

Heck from the rumors masss efffect 3 is going to have online, your missing the online generation of gaming.

Yeah its a total checkmate on your part/s

HappyGaming5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

If you really want to pirate games than just download offline games and buy online games...

Edit: I can't believe it they just used basic simultaneous equations that I learned about in year 9 when I was 14 years old.

cemelc5623d ago

@Gumtrol

And ppl wonder why single players games are a dying breed.

Well in the next 10 years there wont be single player games anymore. Truly sad.

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fryday5625d ago

Epic fail from Sony. You don't even have to jailbreak the PS3 now. There will be plenty of Hombrew files for the PS3 in 2011

DaTruth5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

This same epic fail has effected practically every console, cellphone and computer that ever existed!

It is more a failure of technology than of Sony!

RememberThe3575624d ago

Yeah, this kind of thing happens. Sony is just going to need to step their game up. They've held out of a long ass time so props to them. But they need to strengthen their online community the way MS has to enable them to catch these hacked consoles and keep them offline. The last this I want is to be playing with a bunch of cheaters.

Nitrowolf25625d ago

I'm not sure whether it can be patched or not, but i find it very humorous that people say it can't and yet those same people are prob the same one's who said Jailbreak can't be patched. Point is you guys are just saying what hackers says without even knowing it yourself.

"Jailbreak can't be patched it can be updated to work on any FW" Remember when people said that?

bartender645625d ago

It can't be patched because it was the crypto key thats been compromised. If sony patch the crypto then all current applications and games will stop working. The only way to patch this is by a hardware update.

NexGen765624d ago

Trust me there no patch on earth that can fix this they have the Keys to the system....Its over.

blahblah5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

hah, no one could expect epic coding fail like this:

int getRandomNumber() {
return(4);
}

this one is really EPIC... and I mean EEEPIIIIIC!!!!!!! you simply run two games and compare them with originals to calculate the single key. without this fail getting to RSA would be damn harder.

since i was one of those saying "it cant" i also have to admit that i wouldn't expect such coding fail from 2 year old child. that's the limit of absurd.

if i'd see that error from 2 year old... i'd beat the shit out of him so he'd learn. hopefully sony treated the responsible coder with some morning execution squad meeting before he entered in their building.

ForceCSW5624d ago

Even for a metaphor beating the shit out of a two year old is messed up. Fucked up head cases like you remind me why we need the open zone back.

RememberThe3575624d ago

You'd beat the shit out of a two year old? WTF is wrong with you? I bet you'd feel like a real man after that... What a pussy.

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user8586215625d ago

Best thing for sony to do ban all hacked consoles, at least pirates will lose half the features on games

blahblah5624d ago

you obviously don't understand. there are no hacked consoles. getting to RSA keys makes all apps look legitimate to the system.

Bloodraid5624d ago

And you suggest they determine which consoles are hacked how?

DarkFantasy5624d ago

lmao im guessing waseem335 to come back and comment to you all... "That's Sony's job i just come up with the ideas!!" LOOOL

neoandrew5625d ago

This is even better hack that xbox jtag, the have THE KEY, now that is something that even xbox cracker can't get.

rrw5625d ago

but is it easy to hack by casual audience?.

if not sony have little to worry about. probably it use by serius programmer. even if they play game with it it will be minority

Theonik5624d ago

With the hackers being able to sign files? There is no need to hack the PS3 starting homebrew can be as easy as playing PS3 games.

FinalSpartan5625d ago

holy..CFW here were come? The dark side is unleashed lol

Eamon5624d ago

fail0verflow said they will not be developing a CFW, however they will release tools to developers to make their own.

Theonik5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

They can't patch it actually. Changing the keys means that old games won't work. They can try to keep them off PSN though but it won't do much. Say hello to retarded DRM. It was a good rum PS3.

Sarick5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

The systems had DRM since the start called PROTECTED game saves.

I want an app that can backup protected game saves and transfer them legitimately for myself to any PS3 I can choose.

I want an app that allows me PS2 BC even on a slim.

Seriously, these things where done more to protect the developers interest then the legitimate users. I don't care about losing trophies. The stupid DRM was there from the start and when my consoles went to Sony I LOST everything multiple times. Thank god for gophermods who got my PS3 fat running again for under $80 without losing any data! You know the YLOD or RLOD blinking death, never thought it'd run again.

madpuppy5624d ago

don't care about this right now but when I retire the PS3 after I upgrade I would love to re-purpose it with Linux and make it a true HTPC.

N4g_null5624d ago

Seriously how the breaded one got the key was scary. I'm going to whip my pcs with magnets and never connect to the net again. LoL

I'm way past mad at these guys now. I just want a new Sony system with unique keys for each system maybe and away to dump errors to junk memory or something.

With terabyte drives out expect to just get the drive with all the games on it. Then a special clean mode to play online.

Sad sad day. I told you guys not to temp those hackers. Yet the slack jawed bunch might now have to buy a ps4 next year.

Well all you can do is hope a pirate plays your game and likes it so next time they will pay for it. Also it looks like ut3 will end up like epics ut3 pirated to hell.

I blame Sony fans for this. Any thing can be hacked. I blame Sony pr also for saying it couldn't be hacked. Next time just shut your mouth and give the fools Linux.

They even put code up so you couldn't get hacked again online. Impressive yet sad at the same time. Well guess Sony is going to do better next time. The guys at Sony better change that random number in their online security to the hq or soon these guys will be downloading all sorts of Sony only software.

Crazy. These guys where truely pissed.

Theonik5624d ago

It's actually not meant to be that easy. Infact if it were that easy people would be able to fish every piece of info going in the net. It's a MASSIVE fail on Sony's end, it's like building fort knox but leaving the keys under the doormat

novcze5624d ago

and what they did when Linux was available on PS3 ... exactly NOTHING. Now they want it back so they can do what? I would be surprised if that leads to something other than piracy.

HappyGaming5624d ago

PS4
PS4
PS4
PS4

I so want a PS4 in 2012...

PS1 1994
PS2 2000
PS3 2006
PS4 2012 PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE <<<<<<<3 Sony.

sobekflakmonkey5624d ago

generally...im not impressed with people hacking systems, piracy will kill gaming and then we'll have nothing to play, period.

Kon_Artist 5624d ago

.. you have no idea what im talking about. so if i was you i would stfu.

Mahr5624d ago

And on the heels that case in Spain where the court justly struck down Sony's efforts to kill homebrew, to boot. Oh, and the complete implosion of the US government's case against Matthew Crippen and the American modding community.

What a fantastic December this has been for our freedom.

ChronoJoe5624d ago

Games sales won't see a decline unless you can run online, on stolen games, on a hacked PS3.

Because the PS3 is entirely, hackable, as far as piracy goes - already. It's just you can't run linux and so on. Friend of mine has 2 PS3s, one for stolen games.

Rhythmattic5624d ago

Kushan

They actually say they dont have access to Level 2 nor the App loader...They even state they cant run pirated games.

This is all about Linux.... Piracy is not on their agenda.

novcze5624d ago

In the end, who suffer is normal user. Sony will fight this instead of focusing on better services.

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HolyOrangeCows5626d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

This article is LITERALLY promotion for a hacking/piracy/other illegal acts project. We need to stop helping promote such garbage things on N4G.

I thought that we established a long time ago that sites promoting hacking or piracy or other illegal acts would not be tolerated.

@Kushan
This article promotes the use and exploitation of copy protected codes and keys, and it's been established before that sites that promote piracy at all (As this site does on other articles, pages, posts, whatever) are not acceptable on N4G.

Kushan5626d ago

Hacking isn't illegal. Nor is Linux, running your own code, jailbreaking, etc.

FrankMcSpank5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

exploding code is 100% illegal. hacking is illegal. piracy is illegal.

jailbreaking isn't illegal, but this isn't about jailbreaking, this is about the infringment of copyrighted code.

hackers should be burned.

Agree if you support games and hate theft
Diasgree if you like piracy and stealing

morganfell5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

Jailbreaking is illegal for game consoles. There are only a handful of devices that were granted exception to the DMCA, part and party to WIPO - cellphones for example - but game consoles were not on the list and thus jailbreaking them is illegal.

Looking back at the submissions of articles relating to this story it is evident there is one person in particular that is really going all out to get this one piece of news, perceived as negative, onto N4G. What does that tell you about that person?

Nitrowolf25625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

Jailbreaking is not covered for console. Just because they said "Jailbreaking" is legal for iphone and other devices does not mean that you can just slap the term on anything. This is 100% illegal considering it's exploiting Sony codes. Running your own codes while in the process of exploiting official is still illegal.

@MorganFell

He's been trying to submit all day yesterday and is still trying to submit more.

Dark_Overlord5625d ago

In the UK, as soon as you purchase an item, that item is your's to do with it how you see fit. If you choose to hack it, smash it, give it away, its your choice.

Nitrowolf25625d ago

@Dark

of course it's your choice, it's like that anywhere, but that doesn't make it legal.

Armyntt5625d ago

Morganfell, I dont agree with piracy. But once a person purchases anything its his to do what he pleases. Im not sure if console modding is illegal in the US. I know in Spain and the UK its legal. It voids your warranty but none the less legal. I wish someone would provide a real link to like the library of congress or something that says jailbreaking a console is legal or illegal.

@Frank hacking/piracy is illegal but modding or "modifying" your possession is legal. This is a grey area and i like the ability to play emulators and other games off a HDD on my console. On my wii homebrew is totally worth it. The USB loader from HDD is smoother and much faster than reading my discs.

I also believe its legal for others to jailbreak other peoples systems. What they do with it after u modify it for them is on them. You dont give the mechanic who installed the turbo on someones car a ticket for speeding you ticket the person who was doing illegal things.

Dark_Overlord5625d ago

@Nitrowolf2

But thats the thing though, under UK law it is legal for me/you/anyone to mod their console.

P.S never said I was going to, was just explaining its legal

Theonik5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

Jailbreaking is not illegal nor is hacking your console. It falls under fair use and it's a quite grey legal area. Circumventing anti-piracy measures is though and so is piracy, these hacks are not made with piracy in mind so in a lot of countries are completely legal.

DaTruth5624d ago

The funny thing is that in Canada, it is not illegal to download and use copyrighted materials. But any software or hardware used to crack codes is illegal.

ChickeyCantor5624d ago

"hackers should be burned. "

dont be a fool, its hackers that push engineers to secure their products.

There are many hackers that help Banks to improve their system by showing how they were able to hack it.

hacking isnt just used for bad shit, many of these people bring concepts to the table and show where the flaws in designs are.

People like you should STFU.

RememberThe3575624d ago

The issue is not what you do with the console, it's how you manipulate code. I'm pretty sure you can do what ever you want with your console, but once you tamper with copywriten code your braking the law. At least thats how I understand it.

Mahr5624d ago

"Jailbreaking is illegal for game consoles"

An unjust law is no law at all.

All we need is a sufficiently high-profile case to reach the courts. When they recognize anti-jailbreaking practices as the infringement upon our rights that they are, we will be able to put this issue to bed and the Big Three can put their time and money to more efficient use -- like going after people who actually pirate games.

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ElementX5625d ago

"We need to stop helping promote such garbage things on N4G"

Tell that to everyone who submits/approves articles about the latest 360 game being torrented.

Focker4205625d ago Show
GarandShooter5625d ago

'Tell that to everyone who submits/approves articles about the latest 360 game being torrented.'

A mature attitude like that is exactly what is needed to improve N4G. Do I even need to add the sarcasm tag?

Maybe someday we will stop justifying a wrong by pointing to another wrong. They don't cancel each other out. Familiar with the axiom 'Two wrongs don't make a right'?

Eamon5624d ago

I used to justify wrongs by pointing at another wrong in primary school.

KillingAllFanboys5625d ago

It is kinda funny how you guys saying hacking is illegal and hackers are bad. But I bet you that half or more than you guys download music illegally and dont even buy your music. I dont like hackers but I hate hypocrites -_-.

Focker4205625d ago

Difference between music and games are availability and cost. Some games cost in excess of $10 million abd up to $50 million just for one game. The only time a developer sees any money is when a person goes out and buys their game. Games aren't just free to play on the internet whenever you please.

With music the production costs are extremely low in comparison to video games. And the music itself isn't the only form of income for these artists. They have concert tours, merchandising, etc. Also I can go onto youtube and listen to their songs as much as I want for free. So if I were to carry around a laptop, or even most smartphones, and just have youtube constantly running on it that'd be ok. But as soon as I turn one of those into mp3 form its suddenly wrong.

Games don't have that availability, and the only way the developer gets paid is if you buy the game. Music artists still get paid regardless of whether you buy their music or not. I still support alot of bands just by going to their shows.

silvacrest5625d ago

your comment is valid but stealing is still stealing regardless of the item in questions worth

Vega755625d ago

There is no difference between pirating a game,movie,or music. Because at the day the industry still loses money. You think making movies is cheaper than making games? Your wrong. And some music artists have a certain budget to promote, buy tracks, shoot videos,ect. So when you pirate those songs or movies. That's just money that people who put in the hard work don't get. Which is a reason why most artists won't or can't put out another album or some movies don't see sequels. Do no there is no deference. Pirating is pirating weather is games,movies,music,Whatever.

Curtiss5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

You can't assume that every pirate would buy a movie, music, game, etc. just because he/she couldn't pirate things anymore.

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PlayerX5625d ago

"We need to stop helping promote such garbage things on N4G."

You act like N4G is some kind of respectable site. This is the 4chan of videogames.

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Otheros005625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

How can Sony fail when it took the hackers FOUR YEARS?
Hackers = Fail for taking four years to hack the ps3 (Which they said has horrible security.)

Mandatory_Install5625d ago

I think they were referring to the algorithm used to generate the keys as being an "epic fail"
If you actually read the article or watched the video you might have caught onto that.
Its not very difficult

ChristianGamer5625d ago

If i owned a bank that had never been broken into for 4 years, and then somebody found an easy crack into my security set up and practically walked in and walked away with all my money, do you think i'd console myself by saying at least it took them 4 years to figure it out? You think about that while you think up new ways to try spin this to not look like this is bad for Sony

seij5555625d ago

Yeah but ms and nintendo have been losing money since their first year.

ngecenk5625d ago (Edited 5625d ago )

well.. for me its like im stupid, but it took 4 years for my enemy to figure out that im stupid. doesnt that make them more stupid than me? im not saying those hackers are stupid, im just saying that all those 'silly' algorithm they just found out doesnt really that significant anymore if it took them four years to figure it out.

this mouse and cat game between hackers and console maker must end now. it wont end up anywhere except the collapse of gaming industry. hasnt we learnt from PC? CoD:BO pirated more on the PC then sold on PS3. and yet PC user bashing Activision/Treyarch for not concerning PC version that much.

SnuggleBandit5625d ago

That is a dumb analogy right there. Comparing banks to electronics??

Like 90% of electronics get hacked in their FIRST year!

Probably less than 1% of banks even get attempted to be robbed in their first year.

Point being your analogy sucks. The PS3 has stood its ground against hackers for a LONG time compared to most types of devices. Therefore, its security must have been pretty DAMN GOOD!

The Lazy One5624d ago

I feel like not many of you watched the video. The reason it's epic fail isn't because they broke in, it's because of how many stupid errors there were that let them do it.

The last one especially that gave them a private key was absolutely retarded in large part because they can't just patch out private keys. If they do that they'll completely break existing systems just because they didn't seed their random numbers.

N4g_null5624d ago

The problem is they where not trying till they took otheros away. Obviously the key is to give them their dame Linux.

Lots of bs will get exposed now thanks to everyone having a key now.

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Mundo5625d ago

i didn't watch the whole vid but they said it took 4 years because it had linux. Since it had linux, no one felt compel to hack it. Since Sony took linux away, they decided to start hacking it. That process took 12 months which is the same amount of time it took the 360 to be hacked.

ngecenk5625d ago

from a legit programmer perspective you're right. but the biggest hackers community in gaming is the one who works for piracy. this got nothing to do with linux. since the launch of PS3, it has become the best hackers target to bring pirated software to PS3.

Tru_Ray5624d ago

Well, I am not sure about their logic regarding the time frame of the secure system. Having the ability to install Linux on the console was part of their security strategy. By giving the hacking community a means to run their own software you eliminate their incentive to hack the console. This can be viewed as a security feature by way of deterrence.

Regardless of their motivations now, the PS3 was still secure for over four years. That is a fact.

Deterrence is an effective security measure. For example, having a prolific nuclear arsenal should (in theory) deter other nations from attacking your country.

The Lazy One5624d ago

@"but the biggest hackers community in gaming is the one who works for piracy."

that's not true. Most of the console hackers (read the people who develop the hacks, not the people who use them) just want homebrew. They explain it in the talk. None of the people involved with failoverflow were concerned with the PS3 until they removed linux, and a year later their team has a private key.

The only reason you think pirates make up the majority is because of all the highschool hackers who download a single file and install it to run pirated games are the ones that make the majority of the news. The people who did the leg work to develop that single file for that highschool douche to use mostly just want access to the hardware.

Mundo5624d ago (Edited 5624d ago )

@Regardless of their motivations now, the PS3 was still secure for over four years. That is a fact.

Being proud of that is like being proud that you won a game by default. The other team decided to play after you stole their mascot and got pissed.

Also security of deference would of been plausible if they didn't remove it. That means there motivates to add OtherOS on ps3 was for other reasons then security. If they knew OtherOS would defer hacks away, then they would of known taking it away would just encourage hackers to hack it.

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Motorola5625d ago

This doesnt really affect me but what other console has stayed this secure for so long? I think they did a good job.

Mister_G5625d ago

I agree. The recent progress made is only due to leaked Sony tech'. If that tech hadn't been leaked the PS3 would still be completely 100% secure.

Sony will hopefully watch this video and design the PS4 with better protection i.e. an properly effective hypervisor, more secure security SPU, more secure loaders, etc..... Oh, and slap the wrists of the programmer who wrote getRandomNumber().

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For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

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BeHunted27d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8527d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele27d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk27d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay27d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10127d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit26d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg26d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10126d ago (Edited 26d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14927d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Reaper22_40d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle40d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit40d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog40d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog40d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad40d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_40d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage40d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda40d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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BlazedKong66d ago

looks god awful on the base systems