DTG have had a fair bit of time with the two most recent entries into the motion control scene on the consoles - Move and Kinect - now. As 2010 draws to a close, DTG adjudicates Move vs. Kinect.
DTG write: "This year, both Microsoft and Sony publicly admitted “you were right, Nintendo!” by releasing their own motion-based peripherals, the Kinect motion camera and the Move motion wand. Both received mixed reviews, and opinions of both have ranged from disappointed to gleeful. Dedicated to Gamers - whilst we've formally expressed our opinions on both already - now take a moment to reflect on both motion controllers now that Move and Kinect have had a fair amount of time on the market. We would like to compare the reliability, longevity, entertainment value, and accuracy of the motion"...[ctd.]
Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.
Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.
To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.
The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.
Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.
15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.
These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse
For Southeast Asia, new price changes.
Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.
Replies(1)Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses
Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price
LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?
One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?
If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.
The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.
War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact
The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.
Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.
When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.
This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.
This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.
I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet
I mean.... what?
We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.
You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.
Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.
They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.
If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.
It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie
Helix is going to be stupidly expensive
Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential
I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought
That's going to be ps6 vs Helix
While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.
It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs
Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.
Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.
The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.
Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.
Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.
LucasRuinedChildhood,
For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:
1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.
2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".
no way the accuracy is a tie, and I have both, move is way more accurate then kinect even too much for some games like table tennis
It's almost as if they were adding rounds just so it would end in a tie. I was hoping it'd have went to round 7 -- You know, when they compared which camera had the better looking black casing.
People who can't think for themselves are the ones keeping these sites open.
this is the lunacy that gets regurgitated in the media on a daily basis but people would rather hate on HHG instead of insanity such as this article. anyone who has played kinect and move extensively and thinks the accuracy is a tie is an imbecile. kinect has a lot of control latency where itll be idiotic to impliment it has a control scheme in any game that requires fast movements and accurate movements. kinet is a nice piece of hardware but it has a lot of issues and thats why you dont see it being used in any of the xboxes hardcore games or core games that requires precise movements on the fly and to negate that fact if youve played it means youre likely an idiot or fanboy.
majority of the gaming community or the ones that would believe kinect is revolutionary are whats wrong these days. these people dont see they are hurting or stalling progression because of their stupidity. i dont care for whoever is a fan of which ever console, but just stop with the insane allegiance of a console company. just admit the truth because if you support sh.., youll continually get sh..look at the xbox 360 lineup of games for next year. the microsoft execs have seen that kinect is doing well and the majority of the user feedback has been positive because fanboys are idiots so the message these execs have is that kinect is revolutionary and is amazing so they are putting most resources on making kinect games.fanboys, youve dug your own grave, now eat worms
May be he can explain why 360 is selling about a mil a week this month. Do you believe its COD? That game is on PS3 and the wii. To deny that Kinect is a system seller for M$ is just plain denial. He must be speaking from a pure hardcore perspective.
Compare Table Tennis on both. Kinect Table Tennis is like the PS2 EyeToy handball table tennis. The Move Table Tennis is like real Table Tennis.
Compare Golf on both. Move has 2 Golfing games that feel like real golf. Both multiplatform. Neither support Kinect. Go figure.
There is not much to compare between Move and Kinect. Move works properly for games that require precise and quick motion control. Kinect works for ripped of copies of EyeToy games.
For the Kinect army out there -
1) Show me a Kinect golfing game that works as well as John Daly's ProShot Golf.
2) Show me the game on Kinect that cannot be done with PS Eye / Move. And please - no waffling about the potential and future 4-times-more-accurate-just-wai t-and-see nonsense.
Yes Kinect is a system seller as we expected after the massive marketing campaign. Reality will set in. Just how many dancing games do you want to play in the end?