It will be the fastest-forgotten gimmick in history when buyers realize after half an hour of acting crazy in front of the camera that It doesn't work as advertize and it's actually frustrating. You keep hearing it gets shelved after a few days of fooling around.

An advice for those who want to off-load it, do it quickly.

@Cajun Chicken
It's already under 50$ standalone online, any of you can buy it and just get out of your system now, or wait till the new year and get a couple of games with it for under 50$ plus shipping.

Only thing i understood from that comment is

"I was hoping kinect wouldn't sell well and now i hope everyone returns it"

You know guys, outside of our little bubble her nobody cares.

The tech world is all about smart phones and tablets, facbook and Google chrome, even the MS talking point is W8 now.

Now all of you get out of the vaults and explore the real world a little.

by your deductive reasoning, Apple were probably deliberately holding supply back to make it look like it was selling out, or does that only apply to Microsoft and their shady business practices.

again your talking rubbish without providing any evidence to back up your statements.

Supply constraint or not, selling almost 3 times as much per day is still a very impressive result over the popular iPad for Kinect.

Even now, in the 3rd quarter as you put it, Ipad sold only 1.9 million more units than Kinect is expecting to compared to an established iPhone user base and a much larger market.

I don't expect Kinect to overtake the iPad in sales, but none the less it is impressive for an accessory to sell that fast at what was pegged as overpriced. No other gaming accessory has sold that fast sans the Wii which is a console not an accessory. Even more impressive is the fact that the price tag of Kinect combined with a 360 is significantly higher than the Wii.

I get flak for praising the greater sales of Kinect over Move and I get flak for the questionable comparison of "fastest selling accessory" being extremely hard to quantify or using comparisons that don't make much sense, IMHO. Just can't win :p

I mean, Kinect can be compared to the iPad, but not the iPhone or any other smartphone? Where does "accessory" begin and end?

And, I also question if it is the fastest selling considering each copy of Wii Fit comes with its own accessory, which sold really well in its first 10 weeks as well (Wii Fit Plus - 6.5m; Wii Fit ~5m). But, is that an acceptable "accessory" with which to compare to Kinect?

It's so vague and seems like when Sony compares their high growth of sales in one month compared to everyone else without taking into account that the 360 had a huge loss in total sales the month following the release of Halo: Reach but still sold more than PS3 in general.

These type of comparisons are being made more and more each day to keep people arguing who's the best rather than just showing the standard numbers and letting them talk on their own.

***I don't expect Kinect to overtake the iPad in sales***

Actually, I'm open to this! I know, take that in a bit :p

Not in the first year, likely, but I see the long term viability of the iPad being less powerful as more tablet PCs are put out at lower costs. If Apple can get the cost of the device down to half of what it is now, I think they'll maintain that lead easily. Not sure Apple will do that, though, considering they've had a ton of issues getting manufacturing streamlined due to the technology they're using. I think these complexities will prevent them from getting the price down too much.

Side Note: I _really_ appreciate having someone like you around gamingdroid. You don't leap to drastic conclusions on what I post and are extremely good at actually debating these sort of topics versus arguing. Always +bubbs for quality discussions.

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".