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The magic ingredients of Killzone 2

How can Killzone 2 possibly live up to the hype? What magic beans is developer Guerrilla throwing into the pot to ensure that it meets the vertiginous expectations of gamers? Well, according to Guerrilla producer Steven Ter Heide it's "the sheer intensity, level of detail and visual quality that we feel will set Killzone 2 apart." Certainly the level that Games Radar has seen in action doesn't just tick all of those boxes, it blows bloody great holes in them.

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lVlemphizStylez6839d ago

I wish the hype around this game would die...Too much dissecting of a game that still isn't done yet...Too much speculation...They should leave something left to be hoped for..I know too much about this game already before I've even played it...

mighty_douche6839d ago

oh really? ok so how many levels are there? how long single player? how many in multiplayer? multiplayer modes? vehicles? weapons? we know nothing about this game really, i think sony are being very clever with this, they release the smallest piece of info and people go mental for it! guess we'll all just have to wait and see but i have no doubt this will be the FPS of 2008!

Nigglet6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU. I got a bunch of retarded comments from people who convinced themselves that they knew something about these consoles who acted like it was outrageous and some ignorant kids even said it was the dumbest comment they ever heard and so forth. That shows how pathetic sony fans are, here is SOny themselves talking about their GPU and AI http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Ma... I feel embarrased often by the inteligence of people on this site. So I will say it again, xbox will always blow away PS3 in the AI department BY FAR. Some of you idiots said I was retarded for stating the 360 has 3 GPUs even. What the F? How ignorant can you be? The 360 has 3 General Purpose cores which are needed for good AI, get it through your heads and accept reality. READ introducing the xbox 360 xenon CPU where it discusses the 3 general processors. http://www.anandtech.com/pr... You can't deny AI needs a general processor and you can't deny the 360 is at least 3x more powerful in the AI area than the PS3. As far as the levels in Killzone, they made the background in cut-scenes out of polygons and cramed texture in it to take up space like idiots, just to say it uses a bunch of space. Then when it comes to actually playable areas in the levels the PS3 has to load them separatley!! and when it did the game stuters and has frame rate issues!!! LOL!! They spent all this time making the background take up space and the game can't even run the playable levels as smooth as last gen games. They devs even admitted that the playable portions of the levels had to be loaded as you went, just like all games, although most don't stuter and have issues with it, making killzone levels WORSE than average as far as smoothness and textures and polygons being implemented during gameplay. THe game is only 30 FPS and only 720P, thats close enough enough to 1080p amd 120 FPs isn't it? LOL! The point is that the levels load as you go just like all games and it does this worse than most games and the extra texture is just BS so sony can say this is not possible on a dvd. The devs say that they are still working on making the loads seemless like they are in most games, but come on, a game trying to bost huge levels is having slow-downs and frame rate issues due to loading problems at checkpoints? http://www.psu.com/2GB-leve... Spare me the BS and just make a game that runs smooth instead of a bunch of pointless polygons in the back of a cut-scene.
By the way, the demo for this game is supposed to be out the same time as halo 3 so you can stop making excuses about it not being done yet. Here is more info on the stutters and freezing during loads, also most games do not have these issues anywhere near this far in development. http://ps3.gamespy.com/play... this article was about an earlier biuld and guess what the problems where still there even the last build shown.

DRYTSOUF MONKEY6839d ago

1.2 (Nigglet) - Killzone AI and levels are a joke.
I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU. I got a bunch of retarded comments from people who convinced themselves that they knew something about these consoles who acted like it was outrageous and some ignorant kids even said it was the dumbest comment they ever heard and so forth. That shows how pathetic sony fans are, here is SOny themselves talking about their GPU and AI http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-s-Ma... I feel embarrased often by the inteligence of people on this site. So I will say it again, xbox will always blow away PS3 in the AI department BY FAR. Some of you idiots said I was retarded for stating the 360 has 3 GPUs even. What the F? How ignorant can you be? The 360 has 3 General Purpose cores which are needed for good AI, get it through your heads and accept reality. READ introducing the xbox 360 xenon CPU where it discusses the 3 general processors. http://www.anandtech.com/pr... You can't deny AI needs a general processor and you can't deny the 360 is at least 3x more powerful in the AI area than the PS3. As far as the levels in Killzone, they made the background in cut-scenes out of polygons and cramed texture in it to take up space like idiots, just to say it uses a bunch of space. Then when it comes to actually playable areas in the levels the PS3 has to load them separatley!! and when it did the game stuters and has frame rate issues!!! LOL!! They spent all this time making the background take up space and the game can't even run the playable levels as smooth as last gen games. They devs even admitted that the playable portions of the levels had to be loaded as you went, just like all games, although most don't stuter and have issues with it, making killzone levels WORSE than average as far as smoothness and textures and polygons being implemented during gameplay. THe game is only 30 FPS and only 720P, thats close enough enough to 1080p amd 120 FPs isn't it? LOL! The point is that the levels load as you go just like all games and it does this worse than most games and the extra texture is just BS so sony can say this is not possible on a dvd. The devs say that they are still working on making the loads seemless like they are in most games, but come on, a game trying to bost huge levels is having slow-downs and frame rate issues due to loading problems at checkpoints? http://www.psu.com/2GB-leve... Spare me the BS and just make a game that runs smooth instead of a bunch of pointless polygons in the back of a cut-scene.
By the way, the demo for this game is supposed to be out the same time as halo 3 so you can stop making excuses about it not being done yet. Here is more info on the stutters and freezing during loads, also most games do not have these issues anywhere near this far in development. http://ps3.gamespy.com/play... this article was about an earlier biuld and guess what the problems where still there even the last build shown.

gololo6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

Dude, remember that AI is designed by HUMANS and if the developers are crappy with stuff like multithreading and load balancers and other stuff not matter if they have 10000 GPUs, the AI will still suck. Now, in terms of computations, doesn't PS3 was chosen to run Folding@Home just because of its computation power (which clearly outperforms even the most powerful pcs nowadays).
"Killzone AI and levels are a joke."
Now, you seem to know a lot of stuff about KZ2, have you played it to personally verify it? If not, then shut the hell up. Now, aren't you aware that KZ2 is not out yet, its still in development!!! How can you tell the AI sucks if it's not done yet!!! LOL AT YOU for looking like a fool claiming all these unreasonable claims (sounds like a fanboy).
Also, if you are going to talk about polygons and such, then the PS3 has the upper hand since blue ray has more capacity, meaning, more space to save detailed models, high quality textures and sounds. So, dude just shut up, enjoy Halo 3 (I know I will since I preordered long time ago) and when KZ2 comes out...enjoy it like I will too!(I
doubt that you will since you probably won't buy a PS3)

BTW LEARN TO LINK TO ARTICLES IF THIS IS YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE (CANT EVEN INSERT A STUPID LINK) THEN YOUR OPINION IS OF NO VALUE AT ALL

beavis4play6839d ago

you are a misinformed, ignorant, irrational fanboy. the framerate issues and loads at checkpoints is due to streaming not being implemented yet. go back and listen to the countless videos of GG explaining this. (although i don't think you will understand what they are saying) the rest of your post is just crazy ranting based on some psycho hatred for sony/ps3/killzone/GG. i'm not sure which, seems like you hate them all. i think what's best for you is to take a nap and relax. these are games and you are going waaaaay off the deep end of the anxiety pool. just calm down, these games shouldn't upset you so much.

Rooted_Dust6839d ago

DRYTSOUF MONKEY -"1.2 (Nigglet) - Killzone AI and levels are a joke.
I told you sony fans before how AI needs to be ran on a GPU (thats general processing unit), and that is why the 3 GPUs in the 360 knock the pants off of any possible AI on the PS3 with its 1 GPU."

Ok, I'm not going to get into a huge debate with you, but I thought I might just steer you straight on a couple things.

A graphics processing unit or GPU (also occasionally called visual processing unit or VPU) is a dedicated graphics rendering device for a personal computer, workstation, or game console. Modern GPUs are very efficient at manipulating and displaying computer graphics, and their highly parallel structure makes them more effective than typical CPUs for a range of complex algorithms.

As far as handling AI on a GPU...It seems there has been discussion about the GPUs use for AI, but I don't think any developer has actually used it in practice.

DRYTSOUF MONKEY6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

First off this post was originaly by Nigglet, who is a talented programmer and a frequent contributer of high rated work on Newgrounds.com and we have even a done a couple games together. He knows more than anyone else I have worked with about hardware. So GOLOLO I don't know what you are trying to say about folding but computing power is what the PS3 does, not AI, AI is very complicated and can not be done with SPE's like number crunching, so the two are unrelated, this is the point, the SPE's can NOT do AI! Nothing else you mention has anything to do with nigglets posts so your post was pointless, without any arguments even relative to the subject. And here http:// ps3.qj.net/tags/gpu/1355 this page has the sony AI-GPU article and an article on why xbox 360 would be better at the folding project aswell since you are all about folding for some reason paste it to your browser instead of link and if you still can't get it just go to qj.net and search PS3 AI on GPU or just search your regular browser for PS3 AI on GPU and you should somehow be able to complete this complicated task. BEAVIS4PLAY, you say the post is a complete waste.In an attempt to sling insults like a school kid, yet your post REALLY is a complete waste with not one meaningful statement at all. All you did was admit that nigglet was correct about the streaming even though gorilla tried to say the whole 2 GB level was downloaded from the start so streaming is not needed. This is our point that you are making for us, 2GB and you still need to stream like any other game? and it is clunky? Your post only makes you look stupid and supports nigglets in every way. Why don't you realize he is right considering you agree with him? ROOTED DUST, I am not surprised you chose not to debate, considering you have no idea what you are talking about. You even missed the basic idea of nigglets post, GENERAL PROCESSING UNIT, say it with me, GENERAL PROCESSING UNIT. There you go. I realize you don't know what you are talking about but I would hope you realize it soon, And of once again your post has no facts, concepts, ideas, relevant responses or any real point at all considering everything in this area is far over your head. Three people tried to say something to argue with nigglet yet all you did was agree with him, prove his points, and prove how ignorant you all are.

cartman3136839d ago

Ouch...Just ran into two walls of text.

beavis4play6838d ago

sorry about the harsh words but i stand behind them. am i a game dev.? no. but neither are you. i checked newgrounds. if you think this qualifies you to tell a major dev.(who is working on a 25 million dollar game) that they don't know what they're doing;then, you are crazier than i initially thought. and, if you think this game is going to turn out bad, that's your opinion. i disagree with that. not because i'm a fanboy but because this game interests me and i hope it's great on release. however, your haphazard writing skills and belief that you are right about everything(while pitiful) leaves me with a feeling that trying to have a conversation with you would be impossible. every point you try to make ends up some sort of defensive, angry rant. i was going to hit the ignore button, but i've changed my mind. i've got this game preordered and THE DAY it comes out, i'll get back on here and look for your post on a killzone thread. if the game is bad, i'll certainly admit it and you can make fun of me and tell me how right you were all you want. but if it's a good game (and i believe it will be)i'll get to let you know about it.(if you show up) until then, just remember- these are just games, so don't get so worked up. it's not good for what mental health you have left.

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mighty_douche6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

i think that pretty much sums up my excitment for this! i cant wait for all the crap AI shouts to come from the xbox fans, who cares, when this comes out everyone is gonna see what the ps3 is capable of within 2 years of release, i dreed to think what killzone 3 will be....

ive said it before and ill say it again, ill let any member of GG sh1t on my chest if i can get a go on this now!!!

edit @ lVlemphizStylez, maybe your right but the truth is the truth.

lVlemphizStylez6839d ago

that's just gross...and disturbing...

Stella6839d ago

Killzone 2 has the best AI of any fps game we've seen this generation. It's too bad Bungie can't delay Halo 3 to fix the really bad AI the game has and bring it up to the same level GG has with KZ2.

mighty_douche6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

dont try and fill another thread with console war crap please!

edit: ive had enough of it capt. bubble bac at ya mate! cheers

Captain Tuttle6839d ago

Give it to him _douche!

Have a bubble.

Meus Renaissance6839d ago

I honestly don't think this game, from what we have seen so far and considering its in it's early stage, deserves anything but praise.

Meus Renaissance6839d ago

Despite the disagreements, I think it's exceeded expectations and it will continue to do so. The graphics are great and the physics (destructible environments) and the animations in the game are incredible. The fact that people want to play that E3 demo so badly testifies to that. So what really is there to criticise justly?

GnaM6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

Graphics and animations (so far the "physics" are just visual effects too) DON'T make a game. It's too early to say that gameplay in Killzone 2 will be bad, but it's also too early to say that it will be good. Regardless of how good the visuals are, a game doesn't show up on my radar until it starts to show off unique gameplay features, and so far in all their efforts to prove that they can match the visual quality of the E3 2005 trailer, Killzone 2 has failed to do that.

I'm not saying that Killzone 2 will suck, but I am saying that most of the hype for this game seems unjustified; 100% of it is based on the game's visuals and exclusivity, not on any gameplay or even story quality. Maybe the game will be truly impressive later on, but based on what we're seeing right now, it's nothing to write home about.

"How can Killzone 2 possibly live up to the hype? What magic beans is developer Guerrilla throwing into the pot to ensure that it meets the vertiginous expectations of gamers? Well, according to Guerrilla producer Steven Ter Heide it's 'the sheer intensity, level of detail and visual quality that we feel will set Killzone 2 apart.'"

See? They're just saying all the wrong things. Where was anything gameplay related mentioned?

DeZimatoR6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

Whats really funny to see is that the haters don't even try to say the graphics aren't that good...they seem satisfied with trying to convince ppl that Crysis looks better.

I think the fact that Killzone 2 is put up side by side with Crysis shows how good it looks ;)

It has the graphics, it has the sound, the gameplay is (apparently, at least from what I've read till now)as solid as it needs to be (FPS cover system well implemented), and the multiplayer will be a big part of the game...FPS heaven anyone? :D

Morratut6839d ago (Edited 6839d ago )

I don't think anybody can really compare the Crysis graphics engine to Killzone 2.

Crysis wins in every department at the currently.

Maybe in time Guerilla will surprise us though.

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Why Guerrilla Games Shouldn't Abandon the Killzone Series

Hugely disappointingly, it seems that Guerrilla Games, developers of the Killzone and Horizon series, may be done with Killzone for good.

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IAMRealHooman581d ago

1 was fine, overhyped as a " halo" killer
2 was a graphical beast at the time, and felt heavy
3 was good a refinement of 2 but not much else. weird audio issues environment were to quiet
shadow fall was pretty but bland

OtterX581d ago (Edited 581d ago )

Shadowfall had great Multiplayer though. Too bad the campaign was meh at best. It did have the occasional great moment sprinkled in.

TheNamelessOne580d ago (Edited 580d ago )

I played through 2/3 multiple times. I played through the original once, but it felt pretty lukewarm for me. I couldn't be bothered to beat Shadow Fall. I got a couple hours in and just went "I'm done". Never touched it again. It was awesome on the tech side, being a launch title, but it didn't even match up to the first game when it came to actually having fun playing it.

Rude-ro581d ago

3 in 3d was an amazing experience to be had.
Although not many experienced it as intended for good reasons.

just_looken580d ago

You forgot the ai advancements on the playstation 2 killzone one you could have a full team of bots doing everything even playing the objective that was a big thing.

In killzone 2 they always flanked you and when available used the high ground.

Playing killzone 2 no hud 5.1 audio was/is awesome

MDTunkown581d ago

They should finish Horizon story first

darthv72581d ago

I dont mind if someone else takes up the mantle for the KZ franchise. We are several years removed from the first game. It certainly could use a remake to gauge interest in the rest of the series. I know it has its fans... Im thinking of how a proper reboot can rekindle that old dormant flame and bring in a new generation of fans in the process.

just_looken580d ago

You forgot killzone mercenaries on the ps vita but it was the worst selling sony game for awhile there.

Yui_Suzumiya580d ago

Yeah, a remake would be pretty awesome

anast581d ago

They should let it go or sell it. No use spending millions on this project.

LucasRuinedChildhood581d ago

Would like a new IP before Horizon 3. Just because games take so long to make these days.

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PlayStation 3 Games That Desperately Need a PS5 Remaster

The PlayStation 3 may not have been the strongest generation for Sony, but there were still some diamonds in the rough that deserve a revisit as PS5 remasters.

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OtterX810d ago (Edited 810d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro809d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv72809d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_809d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga809d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos809d ago (Edited 809d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt23809d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball2000810d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin810d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole810d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix810d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel1989810d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor810d ago (Edited 810d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel1989810d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar1114d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor1114d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar1114d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg1113d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz1491113d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance11381114d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim1114d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC1114d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance11381114d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle1114d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix761114d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM1113d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware7301114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger1113d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca1114d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

lukasmain1113d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright1113d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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