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Tech Analysis: Killzone 3 [Digital Foundry]

Almost two years on from release, Killzone 2 remains one of the most technologically advanced shooters available on console. According to Guerrilla Games, the game runs using just 60 per cent of the PlayStation 3's SPU satellite processors. Factoring in this "leftover" power, combined with lessons learned in developing Killlzone 2, hopes are high that the sequel will prove to be a significant advance over its predecessor in terms of both tech and gameplay.

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trounbyfire5588d ago

wonder what KZ3 is doing to make it look so darn good

Death24945588d ago

even Digital Foundry agrees that Killzone2 has no equal on consoles. I've been preaching this for the longest and now it looks like the tech gurus have finally caught up. While Crysis2 looks damn good, Killzone3 looks damn good(2)=Squared.
If you look at the infamous 2005 Killzone trailer, I think it's safe to say GG surpassed that a long time ago.

units5588d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

digital foundry said killzone 2 was one of the most technologically advanced shooters available on console not the most technologically
advanced shooters available on console so enough with the word spinning

RedDragan5587d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

I loved that Killzone 2 2005 trailer, and I loved Killzone 2. But neither the Killzone 2 game nor Killzone 3 game gets anywhere near that trailer.

You are seriously deluding yourself if you think the game even comes close.

I have attached the video from my youtube channel... now are you seriously trying to tell me that the game even gets halfway as graphically immense as this?!

No, I didn't think you did... so why did you say it in the first place?!!?!?!?!?

RedDragan5587d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

to embed a video of any Killzone 2 or Killzone 3 gameplay that surpasses the above embedded video.

Come on... where is it? Surely you fanboys must have at least one example? One? 1? Go on.... just a little one?

Nope? Didn't think so!

:p

MeatPopsicle5587d ago

My god. There are still people trying to spread lies about Killzone 2?

Killzone 2 Trailer vs Killzone 2 real time PS3:

http://generationdreamteam....

And that footage is Killzone 2 pre-release code. Not even the better looking final code.

Deal with it. GG surpassed their target render.

RedDragan5586d ago

LOLOL!!!

Those pictures show the trailer being miles ahead! And where is the video? No video? That says it all really... you have no example of the game being better than the trailer.

Now go to bed kids!

/discussion.

raztad5586d ago

Those pictures dont show the trailer is miles ahead reddragan what are you talking about? if anything they are pretty close, with the trailer having better facial animation and higher polygon count (characters). In KZ2 the fire and effects are more convincing.

BTW, you could have looked those videos by yourself, here you go

http://www.1up.com/news/e3-...

RedDragan5586d ago

I see wrinkles in the trailer, hi res texture in the surrounding, fantastic fire and smoke effects when the carrier thing is blown up in the air.

Yeah, sure... the game looks so much better! LOL! The trailer is superior in every way possible.

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DigitalAnalog5588d ago

Since in general, it takes 60FPS to get a 30FPS 3D stereoscopic. Somehow, this isn't the case for Killzone 3's alpha.

I wonder how much improvements they can bring in the the next 3 months. I don't mind it to be delayed for a few months since Q1 is already taking up so much of my game-time.

-End statement

ct035588d ago

"Guerrilla could well be saving up to 18MB of precious GDDR3 video RAM"

This quote shows just how severely limited developers are when it comes to video RAM on these systems.
In times where even entry-level GPUs have 1 GB of VRAM you'd think 18MB isn't enough to deserve a mention.

Da_Evil_Monkey5587d ago

but I personally find it amazing how games like this can run on PS3, Devs must be so good at optimising. To get a game like this running on an equivalent PC (same specs as PS3) would be an achievement.

Link to PS3 Specs - http://www.whatconsole.co.u...

lexington5587d ago

This game looks just like kz2. only you can play it in 3d if you like and they've used the remaining 40 percent of da powwa of da cell to help with the unbelieavable controller lag of the old game.

raztad5587d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

KZ3 looks mindblowing. Textures, lightning, explosions, everything looks incredible.

That said I find this article rather pointless. We already knew MLAA is applied (and we also know MLAA introduces some artifacts), latency reduction was discussed in a previous article yesterday and in-depth analysis of framerates of a beta, several months before release, is rather pointless.

@above

I dont know who agreed with your

"In times where even entry-level GPUs have 1 GB of VRAM you'd think 18MB isn't enough to deserve a mention"

18M of VRAM is a precious treasure on consoles. Developers are limited indeed but that force them to be creative, and get most of the hardware. KZ3 visuals are nothing to be ashamed for. I assure you.

Chromer5587d ago

You don't have the bubbles to compete.

garos825587d ago

dont be so harsh man.

you know trolls are really bad with evidence.dont burst their little dream bubble. let them think that COD is the most amazing thing theve seen.

Inside_out5587d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

DF really carved this game up. The 3d aspect especially was damning. It's to early to adopt 3d gaming and the systems aren't ready for it. It will be worse for the 360 in terms of 3D as it uses HDMI 1.2

I loaded KZ 2 recently to try out a new 360 inspired PS3 controller I bought at Walmart for $24.99...KZ 2 hasn't aged very well. The controller didn't work as well as I hoped.

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xg-ei8ht5588d ago

I know this is alpha code and it looks fantastic.

I just really hope they speed up the fps.

20-24 does not cut it.

I loved killzone2, but the fps i hated, it needs to be smoother.

They need to get that sorted.

n4gno5588d ago

THe fps was not a problem, but kz3 is faster, quicker, nobody can complain.

only skilled people, because the guns are more noobs friendfly (more powerfull).

Dark-Cloud5588d ago

killzone 2 have heavy gameplay and hard one , that's why people hated it , because it's hard and not like cod or halo or any shooter games , but i loved it because it needs skills , people don't like change alot , like playing cod then go and play killzone 2 , they play sucks because they get used to play really fast in cod , then they say killzone 2 sucks and boring , that's a stupid thing to say , saying killzone 2 sucks because it have heavu gameplay , the problem is not in killzone 2 , it's in you , you the one who don't know how to play , i know how to play that's why i loved the game because i know how the gameplay is and the best things in the game ...

at first i heared killzone 3 will not have heavy gameplay and i started to get annoyed because i loved killzone 2 , but after i saw some gameplay in the videos i shocked , it turns alot better then what i imagin , so i accpeted it , but now you people saying it need to be smoother then it looks now , you are wrong , if you want smoother gameplay just go and play cod or any other shooter game , we want something special and hard , i don't want another cod gameplay , i'll buy black ops so why would i want the same gameplay ? .. get real guys and stupid saying smoother gameplay , because it's not going to make killzone 3 special and better , it will make it worst then cod ... if you want the gameplay in the beta then it's good but if you don't want it go and buy cod or battlefield , there is alots of games that have smoother gameplay.....

sometimes change isn't good , like the change in medal of honor and MAG , they put good new things but they make the game worst then befor by changing the damage , i hate it , especially in MAG , i play MAG with move so it's really hard and damage makes it more harder by a bad way , i love hard games but not the damage , the damage makes it worst ......

nickjkl5588d ago (Edited 5588d ago )

i wouldnt say it needs skill its just slower

either i still despise people that play cod all the time
like last month i tried to get my friend that plays cod non stop but sucks at it he has a .70 kd yet plays it all the time

i told him the reason why i didnt like cod and why i thought killzone 2 was a better game so he got killzone 2 a few days later played one multiplayer match didnt complete it beat the first level and dropped the game for more mw2

recently he told me to get on mw2 and play some matches with his friends before black ops comes out so i was like ok ill play put the game in turns out they were really bad on the bottom 3 while i was at the top 3 just being annoyed at the game

but their was a few fun moments usually when everyone started truly going at the objective without just camping and explosive whoring thats when we worked as a team and had 3 people at the doors with riot shields and blast shields as distractions while everyone else cleaned house

JoeReno5587d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

I disagree with your MAG statement. The improvements with MAG 2.0 and onward have made the game so much better. As for using Move in MAG I think it works great, and wss pretty easy to get use to dispite that fact that its a brand new controll system.

On the topic of KZ3 tho, I agree that killzone 2 is great heavy controlls and all. I hope they dont make it too CoD friendly. I dont like the style of game play the multiplayer has in CoD, and with a 5hr single player mode it never makes the cut in my opinion.

Dark-Cloud5587d ago (Edited 5587d ago )

i mean the damage , they edit the damage and that makes it more harder in a bad way ... because you die really fast now ...

and it's hard to kill in move ( but it's ok with me ) the thing that i hate is the damage not move ...

mushroomwig5588d ago

"20-24 does not cut it"

You're only saying that because you know that it's below 30, while playing you wouldn't even notice.

That's one of the problems with an analysis like this, it just gives people reason to complain when there's no real need to.

Klepto5588d ago

Anything below 40 FPS for a shooter is terrible and not acceptable you don't have the smoothness needed to aim precisely and below 30 is like a slideshow of lag.

nickjkl5588d ago (Edited 5588d ago )

i wouldnt say you wouldnt notice

but thats just me but my eyes are sensitive compared to alot of people

but its not like if it hits 24 fps im just going to go screw this game its not worth playing because of that sudden drop during an up close explosion

raztad5587d ago

KZ3 feels pretty smooth when the framerate is stable at 30, which is most of the time BTW, as it is shown in the first video. Only turrets explosions makes the framerate to drop a bit. It could be a bug, cause there are explosion all over the place and there is not framerate drops because of them.

I'm pretty confident KZ3 will maintain 30fps under any workout at release time.

HDgamer5587d ago

Klepto, COD4 and MW2 is 30FPS

Da_Evil_Monkey5587d ago

Cod 4 and MW2 are actually at 60fps, but sub-HD.

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piroh455d ago

There's too many games to choose from

No Metal geat solid 1,2,3,4?
No Resident evil?
No Silent hill?
No Midnight club 3?
No NfS Underground 2?
No Final Fantasy?
No Burnout 3?
No Dragon quest 8?
No Days gone?
No Ace combat?
No Tekken/Soul calibur?......
just from the top of my head

PS1 era was full of great RPGs, PS2 was racing generation i would pick top 200 and even that would be just a fraction.

FinalFantasyFanatic454d ago

30 is way too low over the entire history of Playstation, I just wouldn't be able to narrow it down that much, I would pick 100 at least.

Storm23454d ago

Yeah...really odd list. I get that it is personal preference and I love most of the games listed, but my list would definitely be different. I agree though, it would be incredibly difficult to come up with just 30.

lockedongamer1454d ago (Edited 454d ago )

I only picked first-party titles. Otherwise, I agree!

EDIT: Except for Days Gone, I don't get the love for it but you do you!

Chocoburger445d ago

I didn't like Days Gone either, it doesn't deserve to be on any best of list.

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar1020d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor1020d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar1020d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg1020d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz1491020d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance11381020d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim1020d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC1020d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance11381020d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle1020d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix761020d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM1020d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware7301020d ago (Edited 1020d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger1020d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca1020d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy1020d ago (Edited 1020d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

lukasmain1020d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright1020d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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Killzone 3 is playable with mouse & keyboard on PC via RPCS3 & KAMI

DSOGaming writes: "While Sony does not plan to release Killzone 3 on the PC, Yahfz shared a video that gives us a glimpse at what such a PC version could look like."

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bouzebbal1771d ago

Still looks secure 2 gens later... one of my favorite ps3 moments. With 3D and move the game is on another level

MadLad1771d ago

PC almost always ends up the best place to play games, even if it takes a while.

What would you rather play decades down the line? A game at a fixed resolution and frame, considering you have a working disc, and the hardware?
Or run it on an emulator that can update the experience all around, and let you use whatever control input you prefer?

If you insist on the former, it's really only for the sake of nostalgia.

Applejack1771d ago

I disagree. The main draw for consoles has always be the simplicity of just putting the disc in / downloading it and playing without worrying about anything else. The average person just wouldn’t want to deal with emulation even though it’s very important for preservation.

Terry_B1771d ago

Even emulators are super simple to use.

jukins1771d ago

Youre getting flak because people on here thibk of themselves as pc wizards. But honestly most poeple try and go get emulators and romz they end up with malware.. yes theyre "easy" if you know the basics but alot of people dont. That said the fact that its taken nearly 20 years to get a sustantially better experience for ps3 games than on its native system shows the complexity of getting bc to work. Sony, if they have any intention, should just invest in a vastly better psnow experience.

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Vegamyster1771d ago

jukins

Most people who emulate don't get malware, you'd have to be going to some weird sites for that to happen, heck years ago people were getting sketchier ad's resulting in malware warning on this site if you didn't have a ad-blocker lol.

SinkingSage1771d ago

Can't get malware if you legally dump your own games, which you should.

Rachel_Alucard1771d ago (Edited 1771d ago )

That's fine if that's the main draw, but it doesn't make it a better experience, just a preference. Having the freedom to do the things you can do on PC is what the appeal of PC is. Buying a game on PC means you never have to worry about the console makers just deciding the next hardware shouldn't support the generation anymore, which means everything you bought is stuck on that hardware instead of moving up with everything else. Nintendo uses this tactic to keep reselling the same games over and over at inflated prices. Sony cut all previous gens off the PS4 and sold it back to people in a poor attempt with PSnow. While the PS5 supports PS4 games, that may not be the case in the next gen after this. No to mention shutting off all the previous stores and updates completely. Even MS stopped making new BC titles at some point, so now there's a big list with 17 pages of titles that are not playable on Xbone and are just trapped on older gen. That's not a problem on PC, the reverse happens where you only have to worry if your hardware can play the newest releases at ultra with no issue.

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AzubuFrost1771d ago

Shhh don't say that aloud! You're going to trigger a lot of console infidels here.

Shane Kim1771d ago

I rather play it when it's available then wait 10 years.

MadLad1770d ago

Did you purposely miss the entire point of my post?

Inverno1771d ago

Well that's the beauty of still owning a retro console tho. Those who usually complain about emulation are just being blindly loyal to a company. Emulation is great for many reason, but if I still owned the console then I disagree nothing beats plugging it back in and going down a nostalgia trip

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RevXM1771d ago

The RPCS3 devs are doing great work. And Kami works nicely with it too it seems.
Very neat.

Magatsuhi1771d ago

Been playing mgo on pc with mouse. It's not perfect but I can make it work.

Binarycode1771d ago

2 is the better game.

A Remake would be good. 60fps 2-4k

Omar3li1771d ago

60fps is peasant for FPS games now

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