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Kinect Is Spying on You

A reader at Lazygamer has actually read the new terms and conditions for the Xbox 360.. and it's pretty scary

"Do you ever read the terms of service agreements that come with software, hardware and firmware updates? I know I don’t. I’m all too happy to scroll on to the end and click “yes.” One astute reader, liberty, took the time to read through the updated Xbox Live terms of service included with yesterday’s Xbox system update – and uncovered some pretty scary stuff.

Remember how we, via Microsoft’s Phil Spencer, assured you that Kinect wasn’t spying on you? It seems that might not be entirely factual; According to the terms of service, they can – and will use Kinect to monitor players."

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granthinds5689d ago

Man, how on earth can people think this is real?! FIRSTLY, it'll take up valuable processing power from the console and SECONDLY waste band width! And if you'er capped, you'll be SO aware that you're PAYING for it!!!

Ognipode5689d ago

You obviously don't know Microsoft, I don't put anything past companies like them and Apple these days

granthinds5689d ago

What?! They can't AFFORD to jeopardize their PR with such a ridiculous stunt!

nix5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

i always unplug the PS3 camera.. you know just in case... i find that blue light very scary. lol. q:

@zootang: lol... i was about to do some 'activity' and then suddenly realized the camera 'looking' at me... since then i've been unplugging it. q:

EDIT 2: i wonder who disagreed with me... you can ask Sony, i swear.

John-1175689d ago

Why would MS spy on what ever I am doing wtf? lmao

KratosGIRL5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

LMFAO bunch of sissys

Web cam sex is the future !!

iMaddy5689d ago

Any goverment can "hear" every users cell phone talking by law desision..

xbox live is the same...stardart term of servise...goverment is all above any company.

all this news is just anti MS pr company...people don't like when MS have success.

Nitrowolf25689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

HOLY F I DO THE SAME

I mean i am eating in my room, or playing a game that doesn't use the cam and i see it on and i'm like "Maybe they are watching me" idk who "They" are but still. lol

anything with a camera, even my computer i usually block them just in case

lol

Theonik5689d ago

@Nix, i do too. That blue light scares the sh*t out of me.

nveenio5689d ago

This basically says that they can use illegal activity against you. For instance, if you're flashing testicles to underage boys--they'll use it against you. If you're harassing the one girl on your friends list--they'll use it against you. If the courts subpoena their records of your chats because you're using Kinect chat to organize a terrorist plot--they'll comply.

They're basically just letting you know that they aren't going to fight for your privacy if under legal pressure to let it all hang out.

edgeofblade5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

Wait a second... this is par for the course already. MS can already monitor your voice communication with a headset, and with the update, the kinect mics can replace the headset...

@inveni0: Since you put it that way, they could have been under pressure from Homeland Security do include this for their purposes.

nveenio5689d ago

I agree. And it's perfectly legal because you're agreeing to it. It's the next best thing to wiretapping!

nycredude5689d ago

Invinio

What if I like to game naked or in my boxer shorts? Can I get in trouble for being naked in my own home?

DMason5689d ago

All companies have to comply with this law. If MS is contacted by the government/police, the police have the right to monitor you.

It's not like Kinect is recording you at all times. Now if you're a child molester soliciting children on XBLA, then you have something to worry about.

MONOLITHICIDE5689d ago

John-117 + 8h ago "Why would MS spy on what ever I am doing wtf? lmao"

-And this is exactly what Big Brother wants you to think like, so they can sneak these kinds of things into our homes. They already have vans that drive down neighborhood streets that can xray into your home, and they say its to find terrorists. Now thats funny any excuse to take away our freedom and usher in their world dictatorship.

I guess you tell yourself anything to help you sleep at night kid, huh?

AAACE55689d ago

LMAO>>>You gotta include Sony into that as well since the Eyetoy is a camera. And keep in mind, the Japanese are well known freaks who like to spy... especially on little girls! They even buy used underwear from a vending machine!

I always thought it was suspect to have a camera plugged in that can be monitored at anytime. But it's just like our cellphones, we could be getting spied on at anytime. For those who don't know, as long as you have the battery in your phone, the government can listen in on you at anytime. I keep my sh*tty blackberry in it's sleeve for that reason to block the microphone.

Always disconnect the camera when not in use, or at least turn the camera away.

PopEmUp5688d ago

webcam sex is the future hahahaa

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DirtyLary5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

black orifice 2010 console version.

Dr-ZOOM5689d ago

BOOOO!!!

You see what I did there?

Darkfocus5689d ago

whats black orifice?? never mind I probably don't wanna know...

Raf1k15689d ago

If that's what the terms actually state and you agree to it then they can legally go ahead with it.

gamingdroid5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

Everything in the ToS is vanilla, meaning you can go read Sony's and it will contain the exact same things in different words.

The only difference maybe is this:

“You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.”

They are specifically referring to "live-hosted gameplay sessions". I think that is fair, as you are already in a public game match.

With that said, if there is one company that "seems" to respect your privacy it is MS. If you look through their history and their policies compared to let say Google or Sony with their root kit that actually made your computer vulnerable to breaches!

Either way, I wouldn't walk around naked in front of Kinect!

Anon19745689d ago

Microsoft needs to be able to police their services. Some might not like this, but it just makes sense. Of course they need the ability to keep an eye on what users are doing on their network. Sony's no different.

Scotland-The-Brave5689d ago

O look, gamingdroid turns this article about Microsoft into something bad about sony. Surprise surprise!

gamingdroid5689d ago

I talk about Google as well, but somehow you only cared about Sony!

It's kind of hard to compare the console makers when there are only three and one of them practically don't have an online presence.

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AuToFiRE5689d ago

"cant afford it" we all know microsoft and apple are crooks, yet we continue to use their products, M$ has you by the left nut, Apple by the right, it doesnt matter what they do, all it will end up is in a fine of a couple million dollars, chump change to massive corporations like them, they will simply make back that money in a matter of hours

DelbertGrady5689d ago

I stopped buying Sony products after the rootkit scandal. /s

edgeofblade5689d ago

@DelbertGrady: And I started avoiding Sony movies after the David Manning incident.

JokesOnYou5689d ago

It's standard legal terms for just about anything that deals with "video capture" online.

-I don't know if some of you know this but yesterday when I did the 360 fall update there was settings for kinect allowing you to opt out and assign limits on what you want others to see when online, you can either set it so that everyone can see you, just friends or block everyone.

-I guess he wouldn't understand alot of products have similiar legal warnings since he admits like most of us we never read the TOS agreements, you want to read some really scary stuff try reading the TOS agreement when you get a new cell phone. lmfao, "The government is listening"

INehalemEXI5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

this reminds me of the ECHELON system http://whatreallyhappened.c...

to intercept all data.

It's illegal for the United States to spy on it's citizens. Likewise the same for Great Britain. But under the terms of the UKUSA agreement, Britain spies on Americans and America spies on British citizens and the two groups trade data.

FragMnTagM5689d ago

It is NOT illegal anymore for the United States to spy on it's citizens. If you are scared about the TOS for the new update, then you should stop using cell phones, chat rooms, well the internet altogether for that matter, especially Facebook.

Not too much anyone can do about it, except you know, take over the government.

INehalemEXI5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

There are legal limitations in the PA this is an intercept of all data and they answer to no one.

All I said is.... it reminds me of this system. I don't give a damn if the governments spying on meh if they want to watch me drop a duece more power to em.

Killed4Less5689d ago

FragMnTagM just be quiet.. You are talking out your ass about the Patriot Act. There is absolutely wiretapping and monitor laws in place. If MS was to turn even 1 camera on and view into a person's living room they are breaking federal law here in the USA period.

A school district just recently gave laptops to students and one of the camera's was activated to spy on a student. They are in serious financial and legal troubles now.

This camera is no different then the millions of web cams and cell phone cameras in the world. MS cannot and will not actively spy on you in your home because the legal ramifications would be enormous.

Ragz0175689d ago

aliens can monitor the human race this way easily.. :)

WharenPeace5689d ago

Since I generally game in my underwear, I always unplug the PS Eye. The same would hold true for if I owned Kinect.

frostypants5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Everything you do on the internet can be tracked. It's not just Kinect.

And it's not like they have some giant TV room like in Matrix Reloaded where Bill Gates is sitting back and watching every move of every gamer. Though the thought of that is amusing.

EDIT: I guarantee you that you agreed to similar TOS with your ISP

baker_boi5689d ago

For the same reason phone companies tape your phones and record your conversations in a database.

That was unfortunately legalized through the patriot act.

Stop being dumb kids. This is America. They've been spying and tapping people's lines since the 1920's.

It doesn't take much to do this, there are loads of tutorials how to high jack cameras, and secure lines all over youtube.

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1233605689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

its there to keep an eye out for the perverts i suspect,there will be alot of kids using this so they may wan,t to check out any conversations if they get a complaint.sad but the 360 has had a lot of bad press over this issue so a bit of extra saftey is not a bad thing

Domer255689d ago

Now that makes sense. Forgot about the pervs.

Qui-Gon Jim5689d ago

The wording is just there to give them the right to use your communications if they need to. For example, if you are accused of exposing yourself to children via video chat, then Microsoft can call up your video chats and hand them over to police.

I can pretty much guarantee that PSN service agreements say the same thing.

TrevorPhillips5689d ago

Illuminati - the all seeing eye

tacosRcool5689d ago

And Governor Ventura is also!

Nihilism5689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

lol, careful dude, I think the Zionists are great in number on these forums, you will note by the prominent brand loyalty and monopolistic sympathizing that their mindset is at the very least pervasive. We won't see it's effect until the end game...

P.S Gaza is Palestinian land :D, I look forward to the day when war crime sanctions are rightfully issued against Israel.

killzowner5689d ago

literally the nerdiest thing said on n4g - a gaming website. You should win something for that Nihilism

Dnied5689d ago

I was going through the settings in the new update last night and noticed there was an option in the security settings where you could enable/disable MS monitoring the voice conversations. The tooltip stated that they wanted to monitor so they can get ideas for voice commands and updates etc haha

It was something like that anyway... makes you wonder though.

Blaze9295689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

that's normal with any voice programs/hardware though. They need to collect the tone, pronunciation, and communications of every possible person they can get so that in the end, the program/device picks up many different kinds of dialect a lot better. Might have people who talk very country or with accents, that's what it's for.

common sense don't you think? They don't really want to hear about what you did last night - but 'how' you're talking so that Kinect can pick up more voices/people.

SolidSystem5689d ago

they want to make sure I dont talk down to Milo or try anything funny with him.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio31d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing31d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit31d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing31d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay33d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn234d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn233d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown34d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay33d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay33d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac33d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger34d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300034d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde34d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde33d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7535d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_32d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.