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Developers hit out at new Xbox dashboard

A number of developers have criticised Microsoft's new Kinect-focused dashboard for - in their eyes at least - making Indie Games less visible to Xbox 360 users.

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xYLeinen5715d ago

As a hardcore next gen console I cannot fathom and see how Kinect will be a good thing for Microsoft when their fanbase are full of dedicated gamers who are interested in hardcore titles.

There is no way they will keep up with Kinect, hardcore games, indie games and timed exclusives at the same time.

Casualizing the Xbox 360 is the worst thing they can do.

logikil5715d ago

As a hardcore gamer I can see where you might come from, but from a business standpoint your suggestion makes no sense. There are a finite number of hardcore gamers out there. If all you do is rely on those gamers for your user base, it will stagnate. That's simply true. Things like the wii, facebook games, and pop cap games, along with gaming on the iphone prove definitively that the casual gaming market is huge. MS would be stupid to not try to cut into that market. This is the problem with the folks on N4G. Everyone thinks about things with such a narrow viewpoint, when it simply isn't the reality of things. Kinect and casual games isn't going to erase the hardcore games that MS has on their systems. It's not like once Kinect comes out they will release a Halo version of Bejeweled.

visualb5715d ago

maybe coming from a fan of the console and being a real gamer...

financially, it might be the other way around...then you have to ask yourself

do you really think MS cares about what you think? they want the house wives and the untapped market.

sounds harsh but, I don't see anothe rreason (they aren't doing it because they want you to be angry, they just neglect one to please the other, cant please everyone)

baodeus5714d ago (Edited 5714d ago )

why would they abandon the core gamers, when they already sold >40 millions without kinect? Why not making games for both core and casual gamers. Would you say x360 is very capable of doing that (x360 is not limited like the wii and it is very capable of making current gen games)?

If you say they care about making more money, why would they suddenly drop the <40 millions users for the sake of a new unproven peripheral? How would that help them making money?

@logikil
Great comment.

kaveti66165715d ago

What makes you think these corporations care about what you want, in particular? They follow the money.

If Sony wasn't tied down by all of its studios, it would go the way of Microsoft. Microsoft didn't buy a lot of studios because they don't like commitment. They always have one foot out the door in any market they venture into. Now, they're following the money with casuals. MS doesn't care about anybody, they only care about money. But that goes for Sony as well. Sony doesn't care about you, either. Don't think that they do.

Imperator5714d ago

The only thing Kinect is good for is extending the 360's life span which will in turn mean that there won't be new consoles for a while. Other then that, it's just crap that destroying core gaming on the 360. Good thing I have a PS3.

kaveti66165714d ago

You also have plenty of time to talk about 360 instead of playing your PS3. Not a good thing.

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TrevorPhillips5715d ago

Hardcore games will start to show up for Kinect in 1 year or 2 years time.

xYLeinen5715d ago

I guess it's a matter of preference, but do you really want hardcore games on Kinect rather with controllers?

I mean, isn't Kinect in it self a casual device?

OSU_Gamer5715d ago (Edited 5715d ago )

You are definitely right...a Kinect driven console will result in hardcore gamers suffering, but from a profit and money standpoint, for MS, the casual market has proven to outnumber the hardcore market.

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@D4rkNikon

Fanboys are fanboys....and they exist for both systems.

D4RkNIKON5715d ago

I agree. The casual market is bigger and more profitable than the core market. Just look at how the creator of Farmville is worth more than EA. It's a shame. On the bright side, 360 gamers can still play their favorite game, SALES!

logikil5715d ago

You're making an assumption that there is no way to integrate Kinect with a controller interface to utilize both. I don't quite get why people gloss over this when they discuss the future of Kinect. Naysayers always lead and end with its a casual control scheme and it will never have core games. That's an impossible prediction to make and it goes completely contrary to what MS themselves have said is possible with Kinect.

radphil5715d ago (Edited 5715d ago )

@D4RkNIKON

Look at also the shady **** he's done to get that far too. Do you REALLY think this whole situation is good in the long run?

The casual market shouldn't thrive to accept low-level products. There's excellent stuff out there like Plants vs Zombies, Bejeweled, etc that's also on the casual level, yet at the same time, has quality to it.

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8-bit5715d ago

What makes anyone think that MS will still be supporting Kinect in 2 years?

blumatt5715d ago

What makes anyone think that MS will still be supporting the 360 in 2 years? lol I mean look what they did with the original Xbox. They pretty much dropped support for it and moved on to the next system (360). At least Sony still supports the hell out of the PS2 years after the PS3 launched. Although, now, I believe it's getting about time that Sony lets the PS2 die since it's had a good run and the PS3 should be the focal point for Sony for the next few years until the PS4 comes out around 2013.

OSU_Gamer5715d ago

"I believe it's getting about time that Sony lets the PS2 die since it's had a good run"

I'm not sure if you have seen the sales of the PS2....They are absolutely collecting on it.

logikil5715d ago

Comparing what MS did with the Original Xbox to what they will do with the 360 moving forward is apples and oranges. MS did not own any of the chip design for the OG Xbox, every component was essentially an off the shelf PC component. In order to keep that system alive, they would have had to pay companies such as intel and Nvidia to maintain production of components that they would have wanted to move away from. Fiscally it simply made more sense to drop support for the OG Xbox and put all of their resources behind the 360. It's an old and tired comparison. MS owns the 360 design soup to nuts. Thats why they have been able to adjust the core chip design for the system moving forward. The 360 will continue to be supported moving forward.

A Cupcake for Gabe5715d ago (Edited 5715d ago )

Unless I missed it somewhere, the words "Kinect" is nowhere to be found on the camera. It just says Xbox 360.

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gigaware5715d ago (Edited 5715d ago )

Nah I say by summer.

On topic
Anyways the indie section is no more hidden than anything else like finding videos and demos. If you say otherwise you are either trying to bait fanboys into bashing or you have not spent any time with the new dash. So are developers worried gamers will have to learn one more category to play their demos? Nope

All content categories are one step back placed in a category group. Was Microsoft trying to hide the add-on section too? lol

sayonara895715d ago

Kinect (like ET before) is too limited for "HC" games. Kinect is ideal for fitness and dance games, all other genres plays like shit.

Christopher5715d ago

@Agent-X: Any proof as such? Or, is this something a few of the people on the site keep repeating to themselves to maintain hope that it will come true?

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plb5715d ago (Edited 5715d ago )

All MS gaming division cares about now is Kinect. They don't care about core or indie games anymore. Casual 360 should be the new name. They've been going after the casual market ever since they introduced the Wii like avatars.

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Soco5715d ago

When I turn on my 360 I feel like I am playing with a toy. The interface looks like it was borrowed from a Leapfrog product targeted at the 6-9 age group.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai57d ago (Edited 57d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio57d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing57d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9257d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit57d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing57d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9257d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay59d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn259d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers59d ago (Edited 59d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn259d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown59d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos59d ago (Edited 59d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay59d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay59d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac58d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger59d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300059d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde59d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood59d ago (Edited 59d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde59d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7560d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_58d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.