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Why Kinect Will Change Gaming

Lawsuit-dodging system the peripheral of the future?

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wat6345690d ago (Edited 5690d ago )

Its the camera that changes everything, obviously.

Microsoft was lucky not to get run over while creating kinect.

MNicholas5690d ago (Edited 5690d ago )

Kinect being 50% of the resolution of the PS2 Eyetoy means it's imprecise, and a mediocre CPU with limited bandwidth and L2 Cache results in lots of lag.

The video below shows a level of precision and responsiveness that's never been demonstrated on Kinect:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

So far none of the actual Kinect games have shown anything that wasn't already done, with less lag, higher accuracy, and more simultaneous players, on the PS2 Eyetoy.

PS2+Eyetoy=$150 (higher precision, more games, more responsive)
Kinect+360=$350 (laggy, poor control, few available games are clones of Eyetoy games)

The only change is higher price and lower performance.

zootang5690d ago

Not to mention the fact that the Eyetoy could have up to 4 players!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
unlike Kinect being only limited to 2 players

hennessey865690d ago

was that video meant to prove eyetoy is better lol. Theres a massive difference between being projected on screen hitting what looks like speakers than actuallym being able to control an avatar which mimmicks your every movement. You show me an eyetoy game which allows you to directly control an avatar and ill apolagize and then rip my preorder up and put a picture up to prove it but you wont be able to because you know as well as i do that eyetoy annot do that where as kinect can so stop your trolling clown

zootang5690d ago (Edited 5690d ago )

@hennessey86

I don't know about the eyetoy but I know the PS Eye can do it
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Edit: Picture please!

tinybigman5690d ago

I will believe it when I see it. Sony tried it with the Eye on ps2 and that didn't go anywhere.

bill021385690d ago

There are still people who believe that the Milo "demo" was real?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

lol

ct035690d ago

This only tracks the head. Full body tracking is a completely different animal, as any motion capture engineer will confirm. Not the same ball park at all.

darthv725689d ago

as far as MS is concerned. And i dont see why they shouldnt be allowed to do this. It is not like this device now replaces the wiimote and ps move because those are on different platforms. This device only pertains to the 360 and yet so many are either nervous about it or in straight up denial that it can be done.

Just let it go already. The wii changed gaming enough to entice sony to release their motion controller. I dont care who had it is dev first, it is who got it released and stole the thunder first.

MS approach is not going to infringe on the way people play ps3 games so.....why do they still hate what MS is experimenting with?

I know first and foremost that both of these (move/kinect) could more than likely be the defacto standard come next gen. Sony may actually hang up the ds4 in favor of the move/nav and MS will go all out for full interactive controls.

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gman_moose5690d ago

Oh wait, was that article supposed to be serious?

Honestly, Sony could come out with the Dual Shock 17 and I wouldn't give a rats ass, as long as the games I'm seeing on the screen are meeting the standards of the current generation.

If I want to get off the couch and play basketball, I'll GO PLAY BASKETBALL!! Videogames are for couch potatoes, and that's the way I'll always look at it. The only thing they could come up with that I would find useful is a true 1:1 golf simulator, because those are useful in the winter, and usually very expensive.

bill021385690d ago (Edited 5690d ago )

accidental repost

tacosRcool5690d ago

The wii already changed the way we game, not some old tech

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slutface5690d ago

There is a reason why Sony and Nintendo passed on Kinect....we will soon see why lol.

R2D25690d ago (Edited 5690d ago )

There is a reason why Nintendo turned down Sony on an disk based console calibration.

There is a reason why Sony did not believe in motion gaming like Nintendo did.

There is a reason why Apple sold Halo to MS.

There is a reason why Verizon turned down the iphone.

There is a reason why the Charlotte Hornets traded Kobe Bryant to the Lakers.

See what I did - dont knock something until it comes out.

Move sold well and is here to stay, congrats to Sony. Why can't you people just let MS and Kinect be - if they are destine to fail or succeed let it be.

EDIT @ below: So when the PS3 sales well in Japan its a very important part of the Sony brand but when they makes decision like cutting motion gaming, Sony Japan is the ugly step child.

@Visual - which was my point lets wait and see what happens instead of posting some negative comment on every Kinect article - there is another article above this one that just got approved - look at the comments and see what I am talking about.

TroyAndAbed5690d ago

Correction:

Sony Europe believed in motion gaming.
Sony America believed in motion gaming.
Sony Japan did not believe in motion gaming.

There's a massive difference.

ct035690d ago

Don't worry, R2D2. A lot of people on here will eat their words soon.

One needs to be quite naive to think Kinect will be a commercial failure. Within 4 months it will outsell Move by 4:1 or more. Feel free to quote this post in February. I will.

visualb5690d ago (Edited 5690d ago )

you mentioned 1 company abandoning a piece of tech due to it being to expensive/having little faith/ little interest in it.

1

ONE.

in "kinect's" case I believe it was 2 MAJOR companies, one of which has A LOT of experience with failed motion controllers AND knows about risky peripherals better than any other company (Nintendo - see Power Glove and Virtua boy)

In all the cases you mentioned, every company turned down a tech because:

a) they weren't familiar with it (Nintendo with disk, Verizon with Iphone)
b) they had no previous experience with it thus were unsure of its outcome (Nintendo with Disk, Apple with Hal)
c) had no use for it (Apple with Halo) .....

so...bad examples there buddy, but I see what you tried to do,but You are right in one thing:

some things that get turned down by one company that are picked up by another CAN become a success, but they don't always - we can only wait and see

Silver3605690d ago

kinect is more than just a 3D camera it is a library of predictive motions based on the works of two phd's. secondly nintendo and sony did not turn down the tech behind kinect. they turned down the 3DVO tech kinect is based on primesense tech. MS brought 3DVO to avoid patent infringements. dont know if kinect will be good or not, but I do know that it is something new. ps eye may look similar but the tech and software are vastly different.

pocketaces115689d ago (Edited 5689d ago )

The out come is the same and from what I have visualized the results are similar or not as good with kinect. Regardless I don't see the point to any of this. I believe kinect will do better not because it's a better product only because of the stupid people that will keep bowing down to every product Microsoft makes and they will be left with a bunch of dust collecting camera's in my opinion because the fun will last only a few seconds like with many wii's. For me I've already played in one week more on my move then I have ever done on my wii so that's all I need to know. As well I don't feel like bouncing around like an idiot like all the celebrities Microsoft keeps showing us playing kinect not one has made me think this looks like fun.

BabyTownFrolics5690d ago

cant wait to hear why some of you wont be buying kinect and how much it sucks for the millionth time.

also dont tell me i'm inviting negativity, I'm just hoping that by calling it out people will stay civil just to spite me.

bustamove5690d ago

This is a discussion. D-I-S-C-U-S-S-I-O-N.

I don't see anyone saying Kinect sucks and they won't be buying it. I see interesting debates that are criticizing it. Again, the reason why people are questioning Kinect is because it appears Microsoft is abandoning the hardcore.

FragMnTagM5690d ago

Microsoft XBOX brand was built with like 80-90% hardcore gamers. If they abandon them, I am sure they know the consequences. Look at Nintendo. They got all those huge initial sales and (mostly) forgot about the hardcore and look at it now, nobody ever plays except on rare occasions.

I highly doubt they will stop releasing hardcore games.

bustamove5690d ago

I see a discussion. I don't see anyone saying it sucks without a valid reason.

I beat half of you who are defending this to death won't even buy it.

pocketaces115689d ago

Nobody discusses here they just argue back and forth with fluffy BS I don't know why I even try to have a discussion someone just get's defensive or sites a hole bunch of things they think is fact with no proof.

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Stealth20k5690d ago

physical controls are the only way to play games

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio21d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing21d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit21d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing21d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay23d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn223d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn222d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown23d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay23d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay23d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac22d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger23d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300023d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde23d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde22d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7524d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_22d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.