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Kinection Failed

Has Kinect failed before it has even launched? At the risk of ending this article prematurely ... yes. Microsoft has alienated the very gamers that have made their console a success, thus inhibiting the sales potential of their yet-to-be-released motion control peripheral, from a "global gamer" market, to a "consumer gamer" market, leaving out what would usually be labeled the "hardcore gamer" market.

panasonic235604d ago

Lets see Wii Casual game system 70 million sold worldwide

Pennywise5603d ago ShowReplies(9)
gta_manic5603d ago (Edited 5603d ago )

The Wii actually works properly, while Kinect is just...well we all know

gamingdroid5603d ago

LOL... so now the Wii actually works properly?

gta_manic5603d ago

The Wii does what it was made to do and it didn't promise the world and the death star to get you to buy it.

niceguywii605603d ago (Edited 5603d ago )

Stop your crying. LoL at these pro Sony blog articles . All Sony fanboys can do to combat 360 sales and the demand of Kinect is agree with anti 360/Kinect garbage like it is the gospel. "MSFT left core gamers behind" is so desperate and ignorant even moronic. Giving options for different types of experiences is hardly leaving anybody behind. There is all kinds of games in different genre's from many devs being developed. If you don't like motion play traditional games, if you're a casual play kinect and less challenging games, if you're a hardcore gamer play both types of games and e erything between. The myth of hardcore gamers only playing bloody FPS was created to attack the 360 and fans. Hardcore gamers are simple people that game as a hobby usually speeding a lot of free time playing games collecting games and usually play all types of games not just one or two types of genres hence being hardcore

gta_manic5603d ago (Edited 5603d ago )

niceguywii60 is trolling on my reply, this makes it special
PS @niceguywii60 you need a tissue, you seem a little upset
PPS quick edit so you can reply...
edit niceguywii60, so kinect has options for all gamer types...right...sure buddy sure...(steps away slowly)

JokesOnYou5603d ago

I have bought every console since the NES, been gaming since Atari. I bought the original xbox on launch day and and I've favored the xbox platform every since, I own more games than anybody I know personally, so I consider myself a serious as hardcore gamer as they come and Iam not in the least bit feeling alienated by micros efforts to grow their demographic/brand....none of the folks I know have voiced such a concern either in fact we're all at least interested in the tech/future games.

JOY

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douchedebater5602d ago

I don't get where you're coming form. I think niceguywii60 was both well said and very sensible. You are actually the one trolling.

frostypants5602d ago (Edited 5602d ago )

"Pro Sony blog articles"??? Did you bother LOOKING at this? The blog is strewn with banners for Gears and Halo game nights. It's clearly NOT a pro-Sony blog. It's clearly a 360-oriented site. And they don't like Kinect. The NERVE!

Why is it so hard for you to accept that Kinect is not a good product? Find me a legitimate demo that DOESN'T make it look like crap. If it isn't junk, then surely you can provide some evidence to the contrary.

Go ahead, we'll wait.

Kill Crow5602d ago

I'm an xbox fan

I don't like Kinect.

However, That doesn't change the fact that Kinect is all about M$ attracting a whole different market of gamers to the brand. Thats what will make it a success. it's NEW gamers. If they like Kinect they will have to buy a NEW console ... they're most likely getting bored of their wii anyway and the 360 + Kinect offers them a whole new experience of party gaming the likes of which they couldn't get on wii or ps3 seeing as the motion controlling system is exactly the same.

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PS360fanboy5603d ago

It's already sold out everywhere so at least commercially we can't call it a fail. I certainly won't pick it up and don't expect you guys to do it but looks like there actually is a casual crowd among 360 users.

Kyur4ThePain5603d ago

True, but do we know how many copies that means?
It could be millions, but it could also be hundreds.
"Sold out" doesn't say much.

karl5602d ago

it say at least 2 millions to me... i would say 3 but that may be stretching it way to much... well see

i honestly dont care anymore.. even if 360 starts to sell like hell and leaves ps3 on third place.. that would only leave pc and ps3 as the only place for hardcore gamers..

if microsoft succeeds .. they will just keep droping money on the casual and forget the hardcore... on the contrary they will be back supporting hardcore gamers if kinect fails

ico925603d ago (Edited 5603d ago )

comparing a peripheral to a console ???, your shooting yourself in the foot

Pennywise5602d ago

So am I trolling because I compared the blind following of 360 fans to the mass suicides of lemmings, or because I stated a very valid fact that MS in the gaming world doesn't hold a candle to Nintendos name IN GAMING.

When people mention gaming to anyone - Old, young, fat, or skinny: People think of Nintendo and Mario.

You put grandma in a store buying games for the grandchildren - They will buy a Wii over a 360 9/10 times because of name recognition.

Fact.

The Maxx5602d ago

"So am I trolling because I compared the blind following of 360 fans to the mass suicides of lemmings"
- Yes

"or because I stated a very valid fact that MS in the gaming world doesn't hold a candle to Nintendos name IN GAMING."

- Yes again.

When people talk about gaming, Halo seems to be the big name. When people talk about Nintendo, then it's Mario.

Times have changed. People these days no longer associate "gaming" to 1 particular company. Nintendo has the casuals. But if talk to anyone in here, they will be more than happy to say Uncharted and Drake, or Killzone or Kratos and GoW.

Gaming had become much bigger than it once was, and the market has burst wide open for big name, new IP games by different console makers.

Halo
Uncharted
Gears
GoW

All HUGE names and are not associated with Nintendo. Sony and MS are big names in the gaming industry. Especially Sony. I disagree that MS "doesn't hold a candle" to Nintendo.

strickers5602d ago

Lemmings do not commit mass suicide.It's false but 360 fanboys do often commit mass acts of financial suicide eg Live,Kinect sold out,HDDs,new 360s,HD DVDs.Any 360 hardware is basically a rip off.I know,I own one.if it wasn't for the first 18 months,gears and L4D is would have been a bigger waste of money than my Wii.

Bigpappy5602d ago

When I try and submit some thing with actual news about Kinect I have to go through all kinds of loops to get it approved. If you want to approve this junk, you should also approve the ligit stuff.

avengers19785602d ago

Actually I think there goal is to get new different people to buy the 360 not there base witch let's face it pretty much all have one. There core target demographic have pretty much had a 360 for at least a few years by now. So if they get consumers to buy a kinect and 360 bundle then it is a success...
When your goal is new customers then That is how you will gear your products and ad campaign toward.

Imperator5602d ago

360 fanboys are utterly hopeless. How the hell can you support a company that just ditched it's entire fanbase just to try and cash in on the casual market? THINK ABOUT IT! With all the money MS poured into Kinect, they could have made more first party studios that would push the 360 forward. But No, all the 360 has now is Gears 3 late next year.

How can you guys be so blind??? And don't just disagree, I'd really like to know why you take this delusion so far. Trust me, if Sony suddenly dropped support for core gamers, PS3 fans WOULD complain left and right. Unlike 360 fanboys.

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TheRealMorganWebb5603d ago

I'm not sure about Kinect, but Rg-vets.com is pretty much a fail.

GigaGaia5603d ago

Kinect was doomed to fail the second it was announced.

Jazz41085602d ago

Did you ever consider that around the world there are people interested in Kinect. Just because you and I think its a waist of money and I also think move is a waist does not mean there's not a market for this stuff. It will work fine for what the casuals will use it for but as long as ms does not drop the core audience I'm fine with it and like many have said I really have no fears in them doing that.

number475602d ago (Edited 5602d ago )

The games are basic webcam games. That are buggy when not monitored by a MS Rep. You're supporting Microsoft selling a faulty product*again* to the unknowing masses. These games do not work, they aren't new technology. So far Kinect has:

1. Jumping on a raft
2. A terrible Eyepet game.
3. Ricochet balls
4. A non 1:1 dancing game where you just do poses

There are no core 360 legacy titles working with the device, and its limited to doing poses. Can't do FPS, cant do off-rails games. People interested in Kinect don't know it doesn't work. They are just buying into what MS is pretending it to be.

DeathGazer5603d ago

Uh oh, no free Kinect for these guys!

visualb5603d ago

I'd say the article title is rather flame bait =/ so much is already going against kinect. just fanboy fodder now -__-

thisisxbox5603d ago

I am a huge Xbox 360 fan and although I was generally excited about Kinect when it was first announced, the closer and closer launch is coming the more I am concerned that it would be something I'd regret buying. I have for now cancelled my pre-order and I am likely to see what the general response is after Christmas.

I don't have much space in my room and I'd rather wait for a mass of public feedback before making an decision. Thankfully as an optional add-on the mass gaming market is not really affected this will not lower the quality of games we expect to enjoy and buy - Gears, CoD, Halo's etc

limewax5603d ago

Good for you mate, If its any good get it after christmas, at least that way you arent risking wasting your money on being the guinue-pig (cant spell that)

Hate to say it though but it most certainly will affect the quality of games as pretty much all of MS first party work is now directed towards Kinect, So you may not see a lack of quality, but you certainly will see a lack of games, It sucks I know but its true, I want 360 to be how it used to be

gypsygib5603d ago

limewax is right, what is MS working on for next year besides Gears 3? All the R&D and marketing money MS has put into Kinect and it "games" has certainly deprived 360 owners of quality new IP's as there are none known of. MS didn't announce anything core related at E3 except for Gears.

I bought my 360 in 2007 because it had the best exclusives in the pipe line (Gears, ME, Halo, Fable, Lost Odyssey). Gears is cool, Halo gameplay has gotten stale, Fable is coo and ME is multi-plat now and PS3's exclusive catalogue dominates now. It's the core gamers system of choice if you like non-casual games.

Bigpappy5602d ago

I plan to play the heck out of it. I will have my fallout and fable to relax with. But I am a very active person. I like to move it. My kids like to move also and I like it when they are moving around and having fun, not sit in one spot for hours. They spend enough time studying and doing homework. This is perfect for my home. I really must than M$ for buying 3DV and really tanking this tech to the masses. When I saw the 3DO demos, I really wanted someone to bring the tech to console. Now here I am with only a few week before I have mine in my own living room.

deadie5602d ago

@BigPappy:
I also have kids and i think they deserve better. We usually go out and play soccer, climb trees and such. They really like that. You should try it.
Save your money from this rubbish and spoil your children @ some amusement park instead. Your children will probably have fonder memories of stuff like that rather than attempting to simulate activities with something as halfassed as kinect in front of your tv.
But hey it is - as always - your choice. ;)

DARK WITNESS5603d ago

@ gypsygib

Thanks dude, I have to say I think you summed up the situation perfectly.

I am glad I own both systems and I got both then they launched respectively, but if I didn't, right about now would be the time I would be looking at picking up the ps3 and leaving my 360 to collect dust.

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Microsoft has revoked the DMCA takedown that forced an indie Minecraft-like off Steam

Microsoft claimed the indie game uses "Minecraft content."

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Microsoft Expects More Xbox Content and Services Revenue Decline Despite Game Pass Growth

During the conference call for Q2 of FY2026, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood talked about the future of the xbox business.

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dveio16d ago

«partly offset by growth in Xbox Game Pass.»

I take it with a big grain of salt. They've been reporting nothing about GP, only words.

We still don't have any hardware numbers, no software units sold, no subscription numbers, no PC vs console GP, we don't have any profit numbers ... we literally have nothing but overall revenue and words.

Reaper22_16d ago

Does it really matter? Are you shareholder? Gamers have to stop acting like these companies owe us something. Its obvious everything is down. Thats completely normal in all businesses. It will be up and down again.

dveio16d ago

Yes, since they don't get tired spewing out word salad 12 months a year.

"Biggest launch", "millions of players", "growth of", "here look our revenue", "We buy ABK", "We'll bring you 1st party every quarter", "Biggest this, biggest that", "We always wanted to share games with everyone", "We're growing", "biggest launch", "millions of players", ... you get the point.

They either shut up.

Or deliver numbers like Nintendo, Playstation, hell even Tencent does.

On a sidenote:

Just years ago, Microsoft wanted to buy out a whole lot more than just Zenimax and ABK. They even wanted to push Sony out and collect Nintendo in.

You bet your butt I'm demanding numbers.

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Christopher16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

In an article discussing industry matters, telling people to not worry or want better information on the industry is antithesis to the whole point of it. I'm going to try this out with all those review articles. I mean, who cares about scores, just try it out for yourself, that's the only opinion that matters.

dveio16d ago

«In an article discussing industry matters, telling people to not worry or want better information on the industry is antithesis to the whole point of it.»

Well.

That's it.

Case closed!

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

He might be a shareholder you can get a etorro or whatever online platform about and throw 20 bucks into Microsoft boom shareholder

BehindTheRows16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Yes, it matters. This is business! Some gamers have to stop acting like it only matters when the company they prefer wants to play ball.

Eonjay16d ago

The fact that shareholders are also in the dark im sure is also completely fine with you and Microsoft doesn't owe them anything either amirite? Not withstanding how silly and potentially inappropriate it is for someone to defend a public company from hiding sales information, you are also completely wrong.

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dveio16d ago

@varora

Thank you.

For over 10 years we've been in those quarterly discussions.

Yet Nintendo and Playstation are the only manufacturers that deliver numbers, that deliver proof, that give us numerical baselines to either brag about or compliment them.

The only fraction that's been pulling doooozens of doooozens, hundreds and thousands of word salad bribberish comments out of their Xbox'clestotitis fan cloud is the die hard Xbox community.

And by doing that they're even defending that downward spiral Xbox is suffering from.

Bring the numbers buddies, or else just stfu.

Reaper22_16d ago

Nintendo and Playstation can deliver all the numbers they want. It doesnt matter much because hardware isn't the only way to make money in the industry. Maybe decades ago but not now. That's why you see sony putting more and more games on PC. They know its the games that keeps the money coming. Consoles stagnate but not the software.
The fact is that Microsoft was and is never gonna outsell them. The competition's console sales doesnt really affect Microsoft"s profit margin much if at all.. Look at how many more consoles sony sells and then go look at what they report in profit. The gap is nowhere near the gap in console sold. Hardware doesn't dictate market trends.

IRetrouk16d ago

Microsoft doesn't report xbox profit, so how can we compare them.......
Console sales lead to those software sales, thats not a theory its a fact, old days, these days... doesn't matter, one company is doing much better than the other, and thats partly because of said console sales...

rlow116d ago

I really think Call of Duty underperforming, the raise in subscription prices and Hoods ridiculous expectations of 30% return. Is what led to the lower numbers.

Reaper22_16d ago

Maybe, but COD sold 8 million on xbox which counted for 40% of the sales.

IRetrouk16d ago

Not even close to being true

BehindTheRows16d ago

Show us the article/sources with these sales numbers.

Chevalier16d ago

Could you show us the profit charts while you're at it? Would love to see this 'gap' you mentioned. Should be easy to show that right?

Eonjay16d ago

This whole report is confusing to me until I remember content and service are separate. Content went down... okay we get that because COD 'bombed' but Services went up because of the price increase which mitigated most of the lost from the cancelations. Okay got it.

I wouldn't blame the results on Amy but she sure as hell had unreasonable expectations.

GamePass has put Xbox in a bad position where the absolutely need PlayStation to make their numbers. So if a big game like COD bombs... they got a problem.

The fact that their service revenue (GamePass) can't drive growth on its own is a huge red flag. That was supposed to be the whole point.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 9% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 32%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q2 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming business.

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1Victor16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

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raWfodog16d ago

I don't why people waste their time replying to the alt-account clown. Their comment is going to get flagged as spam as it always does and those comments (and all replies) will eventually disappear. Better to ignore them and carry on constructive debate with those not scared to post with a permanent account.

1Victor16d ago

@raW: “ I don't why people waste their time replying to the alt-account clown.”
He suffer from from keyboardrhrea and can’t wait the average month of clean posting to have a permanent account.

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@taco: “ Funny that this website actually works again when there's prime opportunity to slam on Xbox.
LOL it's all admins ever give a shit about
The funny thing is that it’s at random at least for me, sometimes is working find and other times it doesn’t let me do anything even flag the spammers.
This isn’t a us vs them it’s a everyone is in the swamp up to the neck

Tacoboto16d ago

Funny that this website actually works again when there's prime opportunity to slam on Xbox.

LOL it's all admins ever give a shit about

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Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

Pretty surprising on revenue and content being down. Obviously hardware being down is expected, but you'd think that the GamePass price hike, CoD, and things such horizon 5 coming to PS5 would drive things up. No wonder MS is all-in on the multiplat strategy, don't really have choice at this point. There might be another GP price hike this year.

SimulationDaily17d ago

COD is likely the issue. It appears BO7 is doing significantly worse than BO6. Game Pass is apparently growing, so the problem isn't there.

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SimulationDaily17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

@Varora: What you "hear" (from your uncle who works at Nintendo?) is irrelevant when the CFO of Microsoft says the opposite in the conference call.
Incidentally, "content and services" are down, not just services, which include Call of Duty. If you don't know how to interpret financials, don't try 😂

Edit: Oh wait... another troll account made 46 minutes ago. I really need to learn to check before engaging. 😂

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Kurt Russell17d ago

I noped my way out on the last price hike. Whilst Ultimate was convenient for a while being also able to Play on PC, it became too rich for my blood.

CrashMania17d ago

Wonder how the goalposts will be moved this time, it shifted from exclusives and console sales, to revenue, where now then.

Lightning7717d ago

No goal post. It was down last January also. Amy Hood predicted this was gonna happen. You gave us and downs, that's simply how it works.

ocelot0717d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Think it was down last January but I don't know why. There is probably a genuine reason for it.

DivineHand12517d ago

There is no incentive to buy into a closed ecosystem with no exclusives. I wish they would just make windows lite or steam os bootable on the Xbox so long time fans who still own the console can get some enjoyment.

Lightning7717d ago

Closed ecosystem? How's it closed?

__y2jb17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

All consoles are closed eco systems. This in itself is not a problem but a closed eco system without exclusives is pointless when there’s alternatives that have them.

NotoriousWhiz16d ago

That's why xbox's next (and final) "console" will actually be a PC.

Christopher16d ago

This is also why Microsoft has been marketing really hard for the elimination of exclusives in general. They are out of the console business and into publishing games and subscription services. They need exclusives to die so they can end the battle with console markets.

Lightning7716d ago

@yb it's games and services are are on PC, tablets, phones and TV's not just found on Console. Even it's games are on other systems.

It's not closed at all. It's games going everywhere is probably the worst idea MS did you're right about that.

Christopher16d ago

You do know that DivineHand is talking about the hardware losses, not the games, right? The hardware is a closed system. It has seen two digit declines each year for at least 3 years in a row.

derek17d ago

And Microsoft wants to release another super expensive console next gen? Bizzaro world economics over there. Phillip Bartholomew Spencer will be promoted on the strength of these loses. Lol

TriniOutsider17d ago

Their next console has to be released. I could only imagine how much R&D they've already put into their next platform.

derek17d ago

Sunk-cost fallacy in action.

__y2jb17d ago

Yes let’s release so we can lose even more money!

Eonjay16d ago

Its a PC.. I don't think they spent a lot of money to R&D the idea of releasing a prebuilt PC. And they are not subsidizing it so by that token I don't see any reason why they wouldn't release it unless they pivot from hardware altogether.

NotoriousWhiz16d ago

They're just releasing a PC. And they don't intend to subsidize the cost so it's going to priced like any other PC and probably expected to ship PC-like numbers and not the many millions that consoles sell. After that, they'll eventually go third party and xbox hardware will be a thing of the past. Sega says hi.

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