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Is Microsoft afraid of Negative Kinect Reviews?

Game Informer's Editor in Chief tweets:

Microsoft is making it VERY difficult to get Kinect 1st party games in for review. Kudo stop the PR insanity Plz so we can cover the launch!

To Journalists isn't that a troubling sign they haven't sent you stuff yet? GI's Andy: Very much so.

This poses the question: Is Microsoft not confident in Kinect 1st party titles?

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imvix5710d ago

They arent afraid at all which is why they havent brought out their big guns yet, next gen FPS, RTS, MMO, Racing, Adventure all utilizing Kinect /S

MrMccormo5710d ago

Microsoft has been censoring as much negative press about Kinect as they can (similar to Turn 10's behavior with F***a 3. Oops better censor that too or mods are gonna delete my post).

Microsoft has even been censoring the media's reaction to Kinect's advertisements. It really proves that Microsoft knows Kinect is going to be a blob. http://gamer.blorge.com/201...

rroded5710d ago

that n hype unfortunately thats all you need in america....
a few paid reviews by cnet n the likes lots of hype n it will sell. Jus feel for the kids who wake up to it xmas morning.

visualb5710d ago

so true.

still, I doubt its been so much censuring, more like keeping them at bay until its 100% ready (which I don't believe it still is =/)

a bit like SE with FFXIV, not that its ok, but i wouldn't go so far as calling it censuring

gcolley5710d ago

doesnt prove anything if you are over 12 years old. it is called business. they all do it.

grow up and open your eyes to the real world. why would they have a roadshow?

XabiTheHumble5710d ago

Man, the mods had me banned for a week and took my bubble just for laughing at the situation lol.

Perjoss5710d ago

the target audience for Kinect is not the games review reading kind.

8-bit5710d ago

"the target audience for Kinect is not the games review reading kind."

Not on these websites and gaming magazines that's for sure. But the mainstream media could get a hold of it to review. News sites and Television reviews that parents watch tell them what's hot for the holidays.

HolyOrangeCows5710d ago (Edited 5710d ago )

"Interestingly enough the notorious “Internet Investigator” within the Microsoft Anti Piracy Investigator group misspelled “Kinect” by calling it “Kinetic,” which is an old PS2 Eyetoy fitness game"
LULZ. Major ones.

"the target audience for Kinect is not the games review reading kind"
You're right; it's for the fools in the dark.

number475710d ago (Edited 5710d ago )

Wonder if destructoid will keep being MS fanboys after this?

MS is a big baby.

vsr5710d ago

But we won't know about what's the transaction between the company and the press for the positive reviews/hands on

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deadreckoning6665710d ago (Edited 5710d ago )

Kinect's already getting reviews? How do you review an unfinished product?

Edit: Well it didn't take long for the Sony fan brigade to arrive here. I don't understand why they obsess over seeing Kinect fail. Weird.

@Shadow- Yep, I guess it won't...in your fantasy world. As for me, I'm a gamer and the possibilities Kinect offers has me pretty excited. You see, unlike 80% of N4G...I PLAY games before I judge them...and I don't hold reviews and GOTY awards as the word of God.

Shadow Flare5710d ago

guess kinect will never get reviewed then

number475710d ago

Come on, you're acting like Kinect is offering some deep gameplay thats never before seen.

Are you honestly on the fence about ricochet or canoe jump?

commodore645710d ago (Edited 5710d ago )

Spot on deadreckoning.

Why are reviews expected on a product that has not been released?
Do we have reviews out for GT5? No?

What about the glitchy GT5 demos?
Every time there is a new video showing a glitch in GT5 we have every single member of the PS3 defence force making excuses and concluding that the glitch will be fixed before release.
Yet, when we are talking about Kinect, the same logic does not apply.
What is wrong with these guys?

The fact that so many ps3 fanboys are in here hating on kinect, before its release simply shows how little interest they really have in their PS Move.

Sad, but true.

Pennywise5710d ago

Guys... I know as you get older the days seem to pass faster and you might lose track of time, or not realize how fast this year is moving. Kinect is due out in 3 weeks. THREE WEEKS.

One of the biggest gaming journalist reviewers does not even have a review package yet? By now, before Move's launch - Everyone had Move. They were all testing and reviewing the hell out of it. Now, three weeks left and this disturbing tweet comes out. So you tell me, does it mean that MS is scared? Will Kinect be delayed? Or will MS just release Kinect with no reviews... or better yet, paid for, bought to you by: Microsoft reviews. I wonder...

Either way... Kinect should be in reviewers hands already. They have to have some time for production and I can gaurentee Kinect's camera is already in final phase of design.

But who knows, mabye us "sony fans" have brainwashed the reviewers to join our crusade to slander Kinect. lol... have a good night.

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happyface5710d ago

Sony MOVE games had such poor reviews it had to negatively effect sales somewhat

MS prob saw Sonys mistake and wants to prevent it

Imperator5710d ago

WTF are you smoking dude. LMAO.

blusoops5710d ago

the GAMES reviewed poorly, (except sports champions), but the actual hardware had great reviews all around.

Liquid_Ocelot5710d ago

Xbox Division will CANCEL Kinect's production!? :O
I mean, you said that Microsoft are trying to avoid PlayStation Move's 'failure'.. I suppose that means that they'll stop Kinect's production completely, since there doesn't seem any other way to AVOID failure.

Specially such a HUGE failure like the one PlayStation Move had. Oh my, I better sell my PS3 before it drops its value even more *puts PS3 in a box*. /PS fanboy :)

quiddd5710d ago

"you are the controller,' How would you shoot, run, change direction, accelerate, brake, climb, melee attack, etc..........

badz1495710d ago

pew pew pew, vroom vroom vroom, bang bang bang?

Deadly_Sinner5710d ago

Dude, that was hysterical!!! I could not stop laughing!!

Bubbles to you.

Moentjers5710d ago

@badz149
thx, you just got me to laugh

Hellsvacancy5710d ago

How did this crap get approved?

tacosRcool5710d ago

Yea, they ain't bringing out the big checks yet to pay off some reviewers

tatotiburon5710d ago

the only people who are afraid is the ps3fanboys...look them crying all kinect articles

Makidian5710d ago

And all of those games will be out late next year and on-glorious-rails, have fun moving in a straight line whilst making the occasional left or right turn in every single core type game they release.

frostypants5710d ago

This is a common maneuver in the film industry: don't offer any early showings of a bad film, so critics can't review it before full release.

If a film on rottentomatoes.com has no consensus the day before it's released, you knows it's bad. Same goes with games.

cliffbo5710d ago

of course they are afraid, Kinect is the biggest con in video game history

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GreenRingOfHope5710d ago

No One Could Give Such A Great Piece Of HardWare A Bad Review!

MrMccormo5710d ago

Obvious dupe account is obvious.

Motorola5710d ago

I know right ^^
On topic: Negative reviews are called Negative for a reason

karl5710d ago

i thought this was about software not being shown or handed

visualb5710d ago

with an awesome avatar.

you are an insult to a great movie and a great actor.

westy5525710d ago

Why do you use similar pictures and names, if ya gunna make different accounts why make it so obvious? And why are the pictures so ugly? Bloody hell.

Ilikegames765710d ago

usually not very bright is one of the reason I can think of.

MicroSony5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

The picture is the effect when microsoft take BrownRingOfHope from behind.

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B-Real2065710d ago

Don't reviews usually come out a week before a product hits the street. We are still about 4 weeks out. (counting this week).

Give it a chance, I for one can't wait to see what the general consensus is

eggbert5710d ago

yes they come out around the time of launch, but the reviewers usually get games weeks earlier than the release date of the game. This is so they can get through the whole game and be able to accurately review the games.

ex: It'd be pretty hard to write a good review for a game like Oblivion if you had JUST gotten the game a few days before its launch.

Phil Collins5710d ago

Problem also lies in that this is a print magazine... they need to have this printed & pressed at least a week before release i'd think.

UNCyrus5710d ago

@phil

A LOT more than that... minimum two weeks out to have final approval before it goes to print

morganfell5710d ago (Edited 5710d ago )

At four weeks from release the product is as complete as it can be before launch.

Three weeks are usually allotted for reproduction and shipping, particularly in cases where the software will be placed into various packaging (bundles, stand alone, etc). That means the product is in final QA before the three week mark.

If it is not a first party product then it has to go through QA at the dev team, QA at the the publisher and then QA at the hardware manufacturer (Sony, MS, or Ninty). If the team has looked at prior candidates that were almost gold worthy and are only looking to see if one or two small things have been corrected in a newer candidate then QA at publisher and hardware manufacturer will be simultaneous.

In cases where the dev team is struggling to meet a deadline - these are always an issue when a game supports a hardware launch - then likely they are pushing till the last minute. Games in this case are destined to ship on time no matter what their condition. This is particularly true of first party titles. The games supporting Kinect are as done as they are going to get prior to launch.

Review code would normally be ready at this point. You would be surprised at the number of games that are reviewed on non-final code. The reason this doesn't matter is 99% of the time the only difference between review code and gold master code are a very few bugs, none of which would change the review or the play feel of the title. They could be significant bugs but they are usually isolated locational bugs.

As I said that holds true only if the team isn't running out of time. Crunch time sucks and the work days are usually about 18 hours prior to launch.

MS may be attempting to delay any reviews before the initial launch and count on Kinect getting up to speed before bad news hits.

B-Real2065710d ago

I can dig it. I'll just sit on this fence for a while longer then.

MrMccormo5710d ago

I apologize Morgan that you don't have more bubbles than you currently do. Bubs+

Ilikegames765710d ago

Yes, that's about right. There must be something really wrong with Kinect if MS is delaying the review of the final product.

gamingdroid5710d ago

I can see why MS would want to delay the reviews. I mean after practically getting slaughtered for the past year on Kinect for a stuff that really isn't intended for that particular audience.

Imagine if I asked my grandmother to review Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare?

What do you think she would think about it?

Perhaps, to get a good grip on what Kinect has to offer now you should ask the kids and the families what they think, not the crowd that play FPS, RPGs and so on. That crowd have been mighty loud though.

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wat6345710d ago

Ha, reviews don't scare MS, its going to be a hit.

karl5710d ago

u seem happy.. u do realize that if this think succeeds u wont have no more hardcore exclusives games right?

Zir05710d ago

Reviews won't make a difference, there's a reason MS went on tour with Kinect, it was to get people to try before they buy, and thats why preorders are so high, people enjoyed it.

There's always hate for casual games you could see that with Move reviews, but luckily the casuals don't care about them and would rather go on their first hand experiences.

Phil Collins5710d ago

I agree, I guess the real question is do the 1st party games deliver? If they don't the hardware will be blamed (whether or not it's at fault), and with a 150 dollar price tag that won't be good for MS.

Personally I think Kinect will do very well, and with Dance Central it could explode.

B-Real2065710d ago

At the moment that seems to be what there counting on. Dance central and Your shape will more then likely be the biggest sellers with Kinectamals right behind them.

gamingdroid5710d ago

I agree. People like what they tried and they pre-ordered. I think Kinect will be a success despite the critics.

It's like you go to a movie and the critics are all raving. You go watch the movie and it is bunch of snore fest. I think the gaming industry is turning into that unfortunately. A bunch of snobby critics and to add insult to injury we now get bloggers whom really are amateur journalists at best.

Moonboots5710d ago

Agreed with you guys. Not only have they been on tour with Kinect, they've been at every major gaming convention and MANY members of XBL have beta kits. This is speaking specifically about the software and I believe even the beta testers have Ricochet, Kinect Sports and Joy Ride.

Maybe GI isn't as important as they think they are..

Makidian5710d ago

There is absolutely no way to determine how many places got how many allotments for pre-orders. They could have gotten 100k, 10k, 100, who knows, but an online sell out of pre-orders is not indicative of retail success. Best Buy and Walmart are still taking pre-orders for all versions and they are the two largest retailers for Kinect sales, so when they start saying that they are low or sold out, then it would be appropriate to trumpet Kinect success. Gamestop could be a decent indicator but Newegg isn't.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

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Jin_Sakai31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio31d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing31d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit31d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing31d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay33d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn233d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown33d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay33d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay33d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300033d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde33d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde32d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Agent7534d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_32d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.