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The Next Generation: Closer Than We Think?

Analysts seem to think the current generation of consoles can last another 4-5 years before being phased out. Sony themselves said they expect the PS3 to be on store shelves for at least a decade if not more. Irrational Gaming is here to give their ideas as to why they personally believe the next generation of consoles may be right around the corner (less than 2 years).

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PimpHandHappy5757d ago

Irrational Gaming is here to give their ideas as to why they personally believe the next generation of consoles may be right around the corner (less than 2 years).

yea ok
MS and Sony have said this gen will be the longest ever but yet we have this guy trying to be smart or something

get a grip
next gen is still 8-10 years away unless your talking nintendo and even then the Wii is not current gen as i type this

Raikiri5757d ago

8 to 10 years is way to much unless the 360 and PS3 can do Ultra-realistic graphics somehow.

If thats not the case i think its rather 2 to 3 years away.

PimpHandHappy5757d ago

because you really think GT5 is not "Ultra-realistic" as you put it? Uncharted 2 is not good enough for you? Personally i think the bar has been set and i myself am very happy were it is.

The simple fact is Sony and MS are on record saying they want to sell their systems for 10 years. It does not matter what you think because they run the business that we call gaming

darkcharizard5757d ago (Edited 5757d ago )

Sony is trying for 3D and ps3 can't output that perfectly, so Sony's going to go next gen 2012-13

Microsoft's console doesn't have Blu-Ray or 3D, so its going to release it's new console by 2012-13

Nintendo..... Nothing needs to be said here, but if Wii sales remain strong, they're going to release their next console by 2012.

Shadow Flare5757d ago

I'd say the next playstation will arrive in around 4-5 years. It has the power and disc space to still produce fresh games and keep pushing boundaries. And with the release of move, it's obvious sony wants the ps3 to last a long time. Ps3 has recently started being sold at profit. They're gonna keep that going as long as they can

Wii will see a new console sooner. It's getting left behind now in just about everything. Including sales. 2 years maybe until wii 2

360s new console depends on the success of kinetc. The people investing in Microsoft are getting a bit sick of the amount of money lost in microsofts entertainment division. It's obvious Microsoft is throwing everything they have at kinetc to prove they can turn a big profit and prove microsofts entertainment division is worth investing in. So if kinetc fails, investors will be rather unwillin to sign up to another potential console and huge money loss. So we'll see. But through the launch of kinetc, it doesn't look like a new xbox is any where near arriving. Again expect maybe 3-4 years. If it happens

imo

Vojkan5757d ago (Edited 5757d ago )

Some of PS3 fanboys are hilarious, i love reading your comments, where you make it sound like PS3 is most powerful machine on this planet hahah
Kids ALL consoles on the market are outdated, all of them. Low ram, graphic card, even processors, sure PS3 is still powerful in that field but doesn't make it ZOMGBestThingEVARRR!! Get a grip. There are mid price PC parts that destroy both PS3 and 360, in some cases COMBINED. Just go buy PS3 now and enjoy it, don't wait another 4-5 years for it to be 99$, enjoy it now.
I am exclusive PS3 owner but ain't a fool, dog! :)

swinesucker5757d ago (Edited 5757d ago )

Late 2013 is looking like the time of new console talk. There is simply nothing to gain from releasing new consoles because the consoles don't make much money. Sony is just starting and that is very clear. Micro blew their dirty wad a long time ago and is being discovered for the PC software makers they are. They might want to convince their rabid fanbase of teenies that Halo 720 is worth 500 hundred more dollars idk but ti will not be for a couple years. Nintendo is catering to the retards they always have and will do whatever they want when they want. The business movers and shakers will not suddenly say hey let's release some cutting edge hardware at a loss and try to make these people not be able to afford food for their families.

As for the PS3 being outdated... as far as spending what? Outdated as far as playing what kind of games. We all want 1080p native but it's not happening. Most people cannot afford controllers, games, new peripherals, etc., for new systems once but every five years or so and that is a stretch these days. I could never afford another system for at least 3 more years. I have to buy a new controller soon as well as the new games this christmas and that will equal out to half a fucking cheap console. PC gaming is a niche market mainly driven by graphic whores (of which I am) and MMO drones. This generation has nowhere to go in a world economy sinking everyday. Thank god Sony discovered MLAA because jaggies were the only thing making their games horribly dated. As far as other things 720p is not that bad when you have first party studios that rock. The Cell is certainly not dated. Sure, the RSX isn't a hog or anything but it does the job some of the time. New hardware at an affordable price would do nothing to advance anything at this point. You would get 1080p in a console but you would pay 500 for it and it would be tame compared to high end 1080p and not really worth it imo. Not a good deal at the moment.

BYE5757d ago

2-3 years is way too early.

I think the demand is just not there yet, people are happy with what gets released now and in the near future.

raztad5757d ago (Edited 5757d ago )

You are making a lot of good points swinesucker. Bubbles

I do agree that there is not much to gain (as of now) releasing new hardware. Tech-wise the PS3 is yet to be maxed out, MLAA is barely starting to find its way into actual games, games like MS:A are proving the PS3 has enough raw power to push 3D at 720p, and while it is true full 1080p@60fps wont be possible in most retail games, it is also true 720p provides a good enough image quality on a TV, making it the sweet spot this gen.

The other thing is the PS3 price. $300 is still too much. Looking forward to a full mass market priced console: $200. That would increase PS3 adoption big time and provide the final boost to software (both games and movies) that Sony sorely needs to recover from the huge losses the PS3 manufacturing cost them.

nickjkl5757d ago (Edited 5757d ago )

companys dont release game console for graphics they release them for added capability in what developers can do

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

is the perfect example

most notably the jump from ps2 to ps3

ps2 only capable of moving in 8 directions of a 360 degree circle

ps3 and 360 capable 360 degree movement instead of 8

DeeBee5757d ago

@Pimp

"The simple fact is Sony and MS are on record saying they want to sell their systems for 10 years. It does not matter what you think because they run the business that we call gaming"

I don't think that means what you think it means LOL You do realise the PS2 is still on sale right? even though the PS3 has been released. When a company says they want to sell their systems for 10 years it doesn't mean for 10 years and THEN after 10 years release a new system ... use the PS2 evidence of this ;)

erathaol5757d ago

A lot of franchises are hitting their trilogy mark and that feels like it will cause a shift toward a new console generation being asked for. 2-3 years isn't unrealistic but the current tech is still doing a pretty good job for now.

I remember the writer for Gears saying that they had plans for the franchise mapped for the next 10 years. Although the writer had to eventually take his statement back, I believe there was actual weight to his words. As Epic Games can't afford not be ready for the next generation because of the money they have been making from capitalizing at the beginning of this one.

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bunfighterii5757d ago

8-10 years is way too long, that'd make this nearly a 15 year generation. Yeah GT5, UC2 etc. all look fantastic, but there was a time when I though some PS2 games were as good as it could get too.

The tech is moving way too fast for the kind of time frame your takling, I'd say between 2 and 4 years we'll see the 'next gen'.

It's not like we haven't heard anything about Playstation 4 or the next Xbox already either. There's already been articles floating around that Sony desire the next gen to be easier to develop for etc.

From a Playstation perspective they've got a stronger desire than the others to milk their current gen, cos that was their strategy to begin with, but making it 'future proof' so it would have a long life cycle, but 8-10 years from now? No way.

swinesucker5757d ago (Edited 5757d ago )

I agree 8 to 10 is way off. Tech is not moving as fast as people think to be affordable. The current gen tech almost broke both major manufacturers this gen. Micro because they designed a shit product and rushed it and Sony because they went quality and it was too expensive. Both lost a lot of money and are just starting to get it back which means 3-5 years before the new one actually hits and it certainly will not phase out the PS3 as fast. The 360 is a joke but at least the new slim is decent. There will be almost no reason to own one once the multiplats go full PS3 lead, though, and then Micro will have to think hard about new studios and actual games besides Halo and Gears.

smoothdude5756d ago

of course they are going to say that the systems are a ways from being release because they want people to still buy them. Could you imagine what it would do to their sales if they admitted new consoles are being released? I don't believe that they will take long to release new consoles, but I do think it is obvious that they are going to try and sell the current gen for as long as possible.

avengers19785757d ago

New Wii announced next year, launched 2011
New 360 announced next year, launched 2012
New PS3 announced 2013, launched 2014

Makidian5757d ago

I will agree with those time frames as far as to say with Nintendo it's possible but whatever they offer as next-gen would be comparable to current PS360, so not really next-gen. As far as Microsoft announcing next year for a 2012 launch, it will only happen if the Kinect is a complete failure and even still Microsoft launching earlier than the PS3 would be disastrous for them as it would segment the market, force publishers/developers to start another gen while this one is still hitting all the right points, and piss of gamers in general. If they abandon the Xbox 360 in the same manner they abandoned the Xbox, they will place themselves out of the market because gamers won't fall for it twice, especially if the next console is only a moderate upgrade of the current one.

avengers19785756d ago

Nicely Put @Makidian bubble vote added.

N4g_null5756d ago

Seriously you don't want better ai? More multiplatform games that rival pc games that are full of action? I mean I know many of you have no idea what's fun on the pc right now. But seriously the ps3 can't get any better huh?

Even though pc gaming is like six gens above console gaming, even though ram is dirt cheap, nothing is beating the i7, most only believe gaming graphics can't get better.

First thing that will happen is every ones engine will rock without cheating. Why because we will have the ram now. You won't have to rely on multiplayer games any more, why well the ai can give you better fights.

Here is the biggest kicker devs can work on making better art rather than holding back. Various game media problems can be dealt with also.

I understand gaming isn't cheap but some of you are gaming out of boredom if you can't get excited about new hardware.

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Shoko5757d ago

I believe that Sony and Microsoft will keep going while Nintendo is the first to kick off the next gen. Now that M$ has revised the 360 and made a new model that is actually decent, they don't need a new console. Both the PS3 and 360 can have alot of things done through firmware updates and both are very powerful consoles.. The Wii's tech is a little dated though, the motion sensing is great but not perfected, and the online is not too great. So Nintendo will come out with their next jaw-dropping console while M$ and Sony fight it out for a couple more years.

Malice-Flare5757d ago

by announcing the 3DS. i mean, what is there to innovate on the home console that Nintendo is interested in? they're barely interested in online, and there's been nothing on that Heart Sensor they showed a while back...

Makidian5757d ago

The 3DS doesn't count because it's handheld, so it may be kicking off the next generation of handhelds but that's it because it has nothing to do with the home console market.

matey5757d ago

wifi connection is fine look at MH3/mariokart/tigerwoods/pes ect its all good the wii has just as good online it just doesnt get exploited like the 360/ps3 because they have made a dedicated online service PSN/XBOX LIVE nintendo need a name i think N-Cloud get it Nintendo cloud they need something big next in online i onlt play online on shooters because they seem to have a robust online most other games are crap online except racing

Stealth20k5757d ago

I think next gen systems are at least 3-4 years away......

'The article is poorly written and quite idiodic without even quoting what both sony,microsoft, EA have said

HeroXIV5757d ago

Crytek reckon it's 5 years away don't they? Or something like that.

I personally can wait. We see big developers still going into 2012/13 which means tons of games still to come.

iD software & Bethesda are working on CURRENT generation technology and Bethesda usually slip in first to the newest tech so I assume the MINIMUM we are from the next gen is 3 years.

lonix5757d ago

sony will want to get the jump on MS next time around and release first

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot73d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle73d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7773d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay74d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn274d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn274d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown74d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay74d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay74d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac73d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger74d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300074d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde74d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde74d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Why the Wii is Such a Nostalgic System in 2026

The Wii is now a retro console. Let’s get nostalgic about an often maligned system.

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ActualWhiteMan79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

Crazy to think the WII is to the Switch 2, as the NES was to the WII back then. 20 Year difference.

jznrpg79d ago

My wife asks me to bust it out (heh) everyone once in a while to play bowling and tennis with the kids. There was a ton of slop on it but some good stuff as well.

Smellsforfree79d ago

Wii was great but boy howdy did it cause Microsoft to go on a dark walk with the Kinect and the disastrous XBox One launch that they arguably never recovered from.

Loktai78d ago

Not nostalgic for me.. I was there.. anyone who wasnt a little kid realized it was a gamecube with shit tacked onto it, it was the "joke" system and was well below even the switch in terms of comparing it to the latest machines at the time. The machine was well loved by young people and "casual gamers" who now remember it 20 years on, or in most cases more of its sales came in the 15-20 years ago range not right at launch- but again its not nostalgic for people who were "gamers" then really, just for those who ended up with one in their house, the games , graphics, interface and online features were archaic already in 2006.