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Has Microsoft finally turned a corner?

Which? Convo writes: It’s all too easy to slag off Microsoft, especially if you’re running Windows Vista. But have things changed recently? Windows Phone 7, Internet Explorer 9, Xbox Kinect… Microsoft looks like it might be on a roll.

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8-bit5704d ago

Turned a corner right into a wall.. Kinect's future is up in the air and no one really knows what will happen.

techie5704d ago

Well, it looks like it'll sell well. Whether it's any good is another matter

sinclaircrown5704d ago

Sony and MS are both trying to capture the casual market from Nintendo.

They'll both have a tough time, but right now Move is looking like it will get the casuals and the core.

I hope Kinect can be used in some way for core games down the line. I'm hoping for a more of a controller/motion working together.

We'll see. Fanboys on both sides will trash either product and yell "EPIC FAIL" every chance they get. But if the casual market can get enjoyment out of the products, then its a success for both companies.

Keith Olbermann5704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

I know no casual player excited for Kinect and those that are think its a stand alone device. "What, I have to buy an entire xbox to play Kinectamals?" That will be the casuals thinking.There are few excited for the Move as well but I bank on Sony selling more of that than Kinect.

Sarcasm5704d ago

Honestly, Windows 7 is one of MS's good products. I've been using it on all my computers at home and so far it works pretty good. Though the occasional incompatibility issue arises here and there, it's nothing worth noting.

rockleex5704d ago

And then slowly die off.

All the while PS Move will steadily gain momentum.

How do I know all this? Kevin Butler told me when he "Moved" from the future to our present time. ^_^

ProjectVulcan5704d ago

Kinect if it fails wouldnt be a deadly financial disaster in the short term, but it could affect the Xbox brand in the long term, certainly. Confidence is key in the game industry.

The other thing that Microsoft will desperately want to work is Phone 7 without a doubt. That market is cutthroat right now, and if 7 sinks then it will hurt microsoft A LOT in the mobile sector.

Organization XII5704d ago

It will fail, just like the original box... who wants to play with a virtual kitty..damn

darthv725704d ago

maybe the same bunch that liked playing with virtual dogs...?

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Letros5704d ago

Xbox 360 is a minor aspect of the company, $18 B in 2010 recorded profits, they will probably just shrug off Kinect if it fails.

techie5704d ago

True, which means the other mentioned products in the article are just as important.

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Adrela5704d ago

@Hank Hill;
They've never raised the price of LIVE before that when they could of. LIVE takes a lot of money to run and you just can't rely on profits from other products to keep it running. This is a rough time. :/

Organization XII5704d ago

well live is just a communist ploy by MS, man who pays for online gaming, 360 fanboys wake the F%^& UP...

Adrela5704d ago

@organization;
That's a cute way to put Microsofts way of getting a profit..."Communist plot"
Now, tell me, what would you call Sonys PSN Plus? I'm curious.

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N4GAddict5704d ago

Kinect will do well I think.

plb5704d ago

Or it could the way of the Sega CD.

drewboy7045704d ago

I like the old school reference but Sega didn't completely fail

darthv725704d ago

i think you mean 32x because the sega cd succeeded more than it failed.

Rrobba5704d ago

This exactly, I think it will either be a huge success or a complete failure...only time will tell though.

Omega45704d ago

Kinect will do well, if you are one of the many people who have played it you would also know it works.

If MS can achieve their 3ml goal for Kinect thats

$150 x 3ml = $450,000,000

Im sure MS will be quite happy with that in just 2 months.

Fishy Fingers5704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

They dont make anything close to the full RRP from a product, plus they probably have a huge R&D bill to cover.

I'm pretty sure it will be successful, but your math there is rather naive.

truehunter5704d ago

Fishy Fingers is correct, Retailing, ads, coverage, Distribution, manufacture is gonna cost. Think about it. When PS3 didnt make any income for that department they where losing money. By the account i think Kinect cost less then 70$ to make.

drewboy7045704d ago

Most likely that will break them even and after the first 4-5 months they'll start making money from hardware. Software will probably be key to tell if its doing well. For example so many wiis were sold but most people don't play with it any more and after the initial wave of games like wii fit and wii play the software sales have been poor. Sure some games have there moments and keep selling but with two times as many Ps3's sold the wii should have a lot more titles selling better. Also many good wii games never become popular because nintendo didn't market them and they weren't first party. Take Okami for the wii as an example.

dangert125704d ago

of coures they have

Xbox one Microsoft arguable the best console services etc and even though it had a much small libary they were on the up studio's like bungie rare etc

xbox 360 hardrive ??? nah you have to pay extra for that so what if the memory card with gave you had less memory then the original xbox were make progress...i mean profit loads 2
i could go on microsoft dont care they'll be gone after next gen

niceguywii605704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

Says you. I feel sort of sorry for you guys. The only control you have is agreeing with trolls almost thinking the amount of agrees gives ridiculous desperate and silly comments validity.

"Kinect's future is up in the air"

On N4G and other pro Sony sites it is where reality on these sites differs from actual reality. Take a break you've been trolling non stop since you made that account a month ago.

8thnightvolley5704d ago

MS are not the company of before i believe and they are beginning to deliver quality stuff so i hope they improve and get better coz the old crappy stuff is old and ppl knw what is good and what is not.

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Carlos_Irwin_Estevez5704d ago

1.Kinect not working right
2.Losing bungie as a developer
3.Getting into bed with kotick
4.Live price Increase
5.Exclusive games looking and playing old and dated
6.Only new excluisves being kinect only party games
7.Rare making crap
8.kin
9. Valve telling MS to stick it
10.GFWL being a total failure

more like fell off a cliff, than turned a corner.

dizzleK5704d ago

Yet they're still beating Sony. How do you like them apples?

8-bit5704d ago

beating?

2011 exclusives

1. killzone 3
2.motorstorm apocalypse
3. LBP2
4.socom 4
5. sorcery
6. journey
7. heroes on the move
8. final fantasy vs 13 (likely 2012 release and multiplat)
9. infamous 2
11. twisted metak ps3
12. resistance 3
13. ratchet and clank 4 one
14. the last guardian
15. yakuza 4
16. agent (likely 2012 too)

VS

1. gears of war 3
2. forza with kinect
3. star wars kinect
4. codename kingdoms
5. Haunt
6. Project Draco
7. codename D
8. Steel Battalion
9. Nightmares

360 has Gears and a bunch of Kinect titles. How do you like them apples?

sinclaircrown5704d ago

"Yet they're still beating Sony."

At what?

mac_sparrow5704d ago

I quite like them apples, bit Granny Smith like. Now if only someone here could provide me with some sour grapes then I could whip up an overly tart crumble.

ArtsyGamer5704d ago

The 360's exclusive lineup for next year looks pretty bad right now.

Stealth20k5704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

Your also missing the trinity zoll,another world, disgaea 4, ar tonelico III, atelier totori, media visions ps3 project, kojima ps3 exclusive,PoP collection,Splinter cell coollection, mortal kombat collection

incoming ps3 exclusives

plb5704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

sales != quality. Wii beats both but most Wii games are not my type of games. Plus how many of those 360 are from repurchases? Most people I know who have been with 360 since the beginning have gone through about 3 or more systems because of RROD.

Active Reload5704d ago

You know, it would be nice if you placed your PS3 list in, I don't know, maybe a PS3 article. I think you'd look less like a desperate troll.

Imperator5704d ago

@8 bit

The only thing is that those 360 games you mentioned are not 360 exclusives, they're Kinect exclusive. If you're not buying Kinect then all you got is Gears 3.

N4PS3Fanboys5704d ago

@plb

You're right, Sales =/= Quality, Sales = Success. That's why Microsoft is beating Sony right now. And I don't know about the Wii... Just look at last week's worldwide hardware sales from VGChartz:

360: 278,639
PS3: 142,771
Wii: 134,706

The Wii is getting beaten by even the PS3! The PS3! These are some dark days indeed for the Wii.

drewboy7045704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

@8-bit beating means sales and while you use all 2011 exclusives you can take out every game on that list other than the top 3 and add Reach and sales will equal the first 7 games at least. Before you bother commenting I want you to know i am aware that Reach sold better then any game in the top 7 in its first week alone so you don't need to break out the stats or PS2 references. Also Mass effect 3 has a chance of coming late 2011, PGR5 will most likely come next year. If your gonna add some games for the PS3 that may not crack a million you could bother adding all the big 360 exclusives.

Also in a different argument notice he said still beating as in present time as in he doesn't care about 2011,2012 or 2050!

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omi25p5704d ago

so by you saying an unreleased product thats shown a few glitches recently means it wont work at all then i guess all the tiny niggles in the gran turismo videos have put you off it completely,
(not saying its a bad game because it obviously isnt but because of a few glitches before launch you cant exactly moan)

bungie has left but the leads have started 343 studios so they have the brains behind bungie

id like you to have a look at gears of war 3 before you say xbox games look old and by old gameplay do you mean like god of war 3 which is just a graphical update from god of war 2
(not saying god of war 3 is a bad game because it isnt)

valve have said lots of stupid things in the past and often contradict them self so them saying screw u to ms will more than likely change.

techie5704d ago

IE9 sounds good. Surprised that its last that amount of the browser market share. I use Chrome...don't think I'll be looking back.

tacosRcool5704d ago

Chrome has too many compatibility issues with websites so i reverted back to Firefox. IE9 might be worth using

DeathMetal5704d ago (Edited 5704d ago )

and it rocks,way faster than firefox and has a 64 bit version, also has hardware acceleration, uses more than one core unlike FF and has exclsuive features that integrate with win 7, website junplists, tear a tab into half page. Try it

drewboy7045704d ago

It looks good and i'll say I'm a chrome user because IE8 seems slow. Also I'm glad to see someone talking about the none gaming part of the article and possibly a more important part

2cents5704d ago

Fairly good read till "Rather than merely taking the route headed up by Nintendo’s Wii, and now lamely followed by Sony’s PlayStation Move"

He reduced the quality of the whole article by adding a personal fanboy statement.
shame

techie5704d ago

Yes, but when you click on the link on 'PlayStation Move' you get this: http://conversation.which.c... A positive PS Move article. Diff people on same site have diff opinions I guess.

tacosRcool5704d ago

Will all the time and money invested in Kinect and IE0, why doesn't MS spend some more money on the Zune? Where's the new models and how bout some more games? No wonder why Apple is the second largest company now in terms of capital...

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio11d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing11d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9211d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit11d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing11d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9211d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay12d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn213d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn212d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown13d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay12d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay12d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac12d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger13d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300013d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde13d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde12d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7514d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_12d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.