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Kinect - How hard will Microsoft fail?

One thing that I’ve always been interested in was integrating movement into gameplay. When word of the Wii came, I was highly optimistic. Unfortunately the Wii’s cumbersome sensors ended up being its’ downfall for most gamers, actually requiring Nintendo to release a whole new addition to the remote to give it the accuracy that was expected at launch. Now we have two new contenders to the motion control arena, PlayStation’s Move and Microsoft’s Kinect. The Kinect uses a brand new system of interaction. It gives the game developers a daunting amount of input, from camera input, full body scans, to positional audio recordings. The question in my mind is how game developers will properly integrate all these features into a coherent gameplay experience?

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Hank Hill5707d ago ShowReplies(12)
DelbertGrady5707d ago

"The question in my mind is how game developers will properly integrate all these features into a coherent gameplay experience?"

Why not wait and see? I know, I know, bashing it and saying it will fail before it's even out is much easier and gives you a feeling of security. I'm not sure it will get any interesting games either, but TGS had some surprising announcements and there might be more of those before it's released.

Why o why5707d ago

but when its so close to release and we've seen no real stuff that looks interesting its not so much about bashing as it is about skepticism. Just look at their advertising...They're pushing fun over substance...Not saying funs bad but c'mon man

insomnium5707d ago (Edited 5707d ago )

I wonder how eagerly delbert was shouting the PS3 to fail without giving it time to get teh games. I could almost swear the irony in your comment is so thick it's hard to breathe.

OK with comments like these "Why is the PS3 still in third place if it's as good as some of you claim? " you just proved me you wreek of irony in your comment. It's unbelievable the lengths some people go to....

OMG that was a FAST disagree. Way to stalk me.

Mc Fadge5707d ago

Well, their big chance, atleast. They've had years to prepare devs to create a new, exciting experience - One that only Kinect could create. And what came out of that? Not a lot. Of course it is possible for interesting ideas to develop, but at this moment in time, it's not looking promising.

JackBNimble5707d ago (Edited 5707d ago )

I kind of think MS is making a mistake to bring out kinect 5 years into the 360 life cycle.

Wouldn't it have made more sence for MS to R&D it for the next 2 or 3 years and bring it out with the next gen xbox? Or is this really just a beta test?

Prcko5707d ago

i don't care!
I have move and i don't need anything else!!!

B-Real2065707d ago

I'm on a wait and see approach. So far I haven't really seen anything that's for me but I'd like to see what the Jap devs do with this device. I would like to see more then trailers for those games, though I'm not really getting amped up so I won't be disappointed. It's just easier that way.

skeletonss5707d ago (Edited 5707d ago )

that ps3 dellusional die hards automatically say FAIL, just because it is microsoft. Good thing you guys are in the industry....

oh thats right.... your on n4g.

PS playstation move is not much different than kinect... Its just as Gay.

dizzleK5707d ago

Exactly, it has the same effin launch games that Kinect has too but somehow they're better. Don't bash KInectimals and Kinect Adventures while you're out buying Eyepet and Start the Party.

pinksteak095707d ago

i take it you two never tried MOVE and KINECT releases next month, and how can you determine the sexual prefence of MOTION COTROLLERS? smh...

Pillville5707d ago

Eyepet = Kinectimals
Start the Party = Kinect Adventures
RE5 = ????
LBP2 = ????
Socom = ????
Sorcery = ?????

siyrobbo5707d ago

... Its just as Gay

what are you 10 years old?

bustamove5707d ago (Edited 5707d ago )

I find it funny that you dare label everyone as some die hard PS3 fan when there are people who are probably interested in Kinect but remain skeptical.

Maybe you need to take a look at yourself because you're calling people fanboys when you act like one YOURSELF.

And another thing, PS Move gay? What are you, five years old? Can't find any other words to use to bash it?

Why o why5707d ago

If you express any form of skepticism you're automatically part of the ps3 faction hate team.....The 360 guys who express the same skepticism have all had their accounts hacked.

bustamove5707d ago (Edited 5707d ago )

God man, I'm so sick and tired of the hypocrisy from these guys. Oh noes, teh PS3 fans are worse than teh 360 fans! And yet they act the same exact way.

Seriously, lol.

Random disagrees and NO ONE CAN PROVE ME WRONG.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio13d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing13d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit13d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing13d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay15d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn215d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn215d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown15d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay15d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay15d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac14d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde15d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde15d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7516d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_14d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.