Sports Champions is a hardcore game to me....but the Party game that came out for the Move is extremely casual and more for kids even though I could play it and still manage to have fun...

we have a Wii and the Move in the house and the Move is just superior in every way...I wouldn't rule out Kinect yet either, but it seems to be kinda like what the PS Eye is only it's a generation late - I just hope it doesn't have much lag because that would kill Kinect dead in the water...

all the way across the screen? a screen that is so intense? So vivid?

I couldnt resist.

No comparison really, M$ strategy is solid. The launch line up is well thought out and has a purpose and a goal. Sony's by comparison is a fire sale of ideas with no rhythm of rhyme...just a " me too " addition to there console. The Wii was and is still a great entry level system but those gamers are 4 years older now and want to play games with the big boys like MW2...Wii is done.

"The launch line up is well thought out and has a purpose and a goal."

Because Microsoft is so good at product launches... Kin phone anyone?

Diatom, I could look through the history of any company and I'm sure I would find a product that has flopped.

Simply put, Kinect is a rip-off. Everything we've seen can be done on the PSeye which is only around 30 bucks, yet MS is trying to shove Kinect down our throats for $150. That is just beyond ridiculous.

Hey Hydra FFX

Ever hear of sports champion? that was built from the ground up with Move in mind. Just because Sports Champion isn't "your type" of game, doesn't mean it wasn't built for gamers. And I love how you say "tact on", like Guerilla games is't implementing move from the early development stages, and Socom 4 isn't being developed with Move in mind?

Besides the point, if you can tack in on to a previous game that works well with it, why not do it? It's more games for the people that buy Move. And yea it does have a bigger line up of games right now, and a more diverse line up. I'd rather go with that than wait a few years for those TGS announcements to materialize.

HAHA, EDIT: Just watched your five videos, I love non gameplay videos they always excite me. But for real, the Haunt looks like the coolest game there, but how would walk with Kinect? All the others seem like its going to be some kind of Controller mixed with hand motions thing.

Funny because I haven't seen a Steel Battalion, Project Orta, or Code Name D caliber game on PS eye. Sure they are yet to be seen but Move right now has no true exclusive. This is where Kinect is killing it regardless of if you want to listen or not.Also let's not forget Kinect will make all features remote-less.

"and the other half are your casuals"

When saying real gamers I am talking about the hardcore, now if your about to tell me that sports champions is hardcore.......

Who said Move being tact on is a bad thing, infact it is a cool option but when you can play through the same game in a better way (don't even act like the move controller will be better for hardcore titles then the DS3) what is the point in buying Move for however many dollars.

Also all of the Kinect games annonced at TGS are coming 2011, the only one that doesn't have a release date is Steel Battalion. So no need to "wait a few years for those TGS announcements to materialize."

EDIT: There not my five videos, there for everyone to enjoy.

@ HydraxFFX

I see what your saying, but Sports Champion can be hardcore to a certain group of people, think about it, gamers are diverse, to some Mario is hardcore.

Also, when a game is announced with 2011 as a release date like in those videos, they are typically pushed back or delayed somehow, I'm not saying that gonna happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of those games dont make it to market before 2012.

And I agree, Move is a neat add on, I thought you were bashing the fact it could be put into existing games. And some games will be better played with Dualshock, which is why I love the fact that Move is an option. And also Move has its own games, people aren't buying move just to play old games, they are buying move to play move games to. So don't assume people are only getting it to play some RE5 or something like that.

And I know there not your videos haha, were you at TGS and work for GameTrailers lol.

If your going to operate under that logic then we could say the sky can be grey to a certain group of people, because people are diverse and some may be colourblind, because a small group of people may find Mario hardcore doesn't make it so, there is a general category for a hardcore game and Sports Champions doesn't fall in it.

Yeah sure some of those games could be released in 2012 and some of them could be released in 3 months in January.

Sure it's cool that Move is an option but what I'm saying is it's not worth the $100 price tag when there is already a better option. I know Move has it's own games built from the ground up but there is only 1 so far that sets it apart from the Wii which is Sorcery, the rest are basically Wii Sports/Wii Fit again except for the Move, I am sure Move will be worth the purchase price once some more games like Sorcery get announce, but until then it's not worth it.

All I was saying for my original comment was to give Kinect a chance and that the 1 to 1 can be improved in the future, then I got a reply saying Kinect has no games for the hardcore when infact it does and Move does not....at least not yet.

No not work for anyone just a fan of all video game consoles.

@HydraxFFx
Firmware can not make the camera faster or increase the resolution.
As it is, Kinect camera is slower than PS Eye at same resolution with a low res depth camera. The specs tells us that it can never compete with the Move controller.

Some similar EyeToy type games would actually run better on the $30 PS Eye because it is faster.

It's obvious that a software update cannot make a piece of hardware any better.

Kinect has a default lag of 33ms, from the time it picks up your movement and is ready to process with it. Keep in mind the average human will not notice any lag under 80ms. Where the problem lies is that on top of the 33ms, it now has to use your position to calculate and then draw the next frame on the screen. Depending on which game you are playing and how well it was developed it may be over the 80ms mark, thus making noticeable lag and it may be under the 80ms mark making the lag unnoticeable.

The update I am talking about would come from the developers of the games making the process of using your position to calculate the next frame and draw it shorter.

You are absolutely right about the PSEye having a higher refresh rate then Kinect but if Kinect games are developed efficiently the user would be unable to notice any difference between the two anyhow.

The reason the PSEye is so much cheaper than Kinect is because it also lacks other features, such as voice recognition, facial recognition and the Infrared camera which is used to track 3D as appose to a controller.

ok so my question is why is the kinect so damn expencive then if it doesn't match the eye even adding an extra camera shouldn't increase the price so much ( I am not saying the kinect won't work) but somthing is just not right with this picture why is ms charging so much for something that isn't far more techinacaly advanced.

Hydrax. I don't think those vids help much since there's no gameplay involved. For all we know they could all be on-rail games like the harry potter one with fancy CGI put into it.

are not unique to Kinect...they are software based not hardware based.

Here is the PSEye doing both...and the libraries are done and available for developers to use on the PS3 as they see fit.

Facial

http://www.gamasutra.com/ph...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Voice (Already being used in Singstar)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I thought Kinect have better specs than PS Eye:

http://static.myce.com/imag...

"That is why I said Microsoft has yet to show something worth while. Until then, it's valid to remain skeptical. $150 is too much to jump in if it's anything like the past."

"I am not convince it has a strong future. This is one of the challenges Microsoft has to overcome as many hardcore gamers are unconvinced after MS has failed to wow us for 2 years now."

very true and I agree. It definitely needs to be proven or just go away for good.

How an ultimate delusional fanboyz in denial like lowcarb, samus and others can have more than 1 (or zero) bubble ?

oh, i know, other brainwashed fanboyz, or multi accounts.

Hundred of unbiased reviews are here to stop your denial Xfanboyz, and this article is another one, just accept it ! (move is sold out almost everywhere : i know you like sells :))

@samus and other nintendo fanboyz, are you real when you are talking about "best games" ? just check gameranking, ps3 is like move, first, easily (not opinion, just fact)

Don't worry about why we have bubbles! You just stick to your Sony is the greatest (everybody else sucks) mentality and see where it gets you. Your down to 1 for a reason and not even Sony fans want to hear your nonsense. People like myself never cross the line and say PS3 sucks or 360 is the best. This is something you may never understand and the reason why my comment is going in one ear and out the other.

"Hundred of unbiased reviews are here to stop your denial Xfanboyz, and this article is another one, just accept it ! (move is sold out almost everywhere : i know you like sells :))"

Men make there own decisions and sells without links are non credible.

PS MOVE was experienced months before wiimote. so wiimote is ps move. kinect is obviously ps eye.

^^^ nah, move is a copy of wiimote

they would never have done it if it wasnt for the wii

and nintendo have been researching motion control since like 2001 and before so its clearly not a copy

@ Above

Well Sony has been doing research into motion control since then to. They've been doing research into all kinds of motion controll, Controlerless motion control, augmented reality, motion control with a controller.

And Move and Wii are not the same, the concept may be the same, but Move was better implemented to work like its supposed to. Both are supposed to recreate your actions on screen, Move does a better job at that. So who cares if they are similar, one is better made.

Move is wiimote. Weirdo.