"The image that PS3 leaves with me is painted with it's exclusive titles and not multiplats, ports or shovelware."

And this is exactly the image people ought to have of the Wii, but they don't. They largely associate the console with ports, shovelware, etc. despite the fact that there are good games on the Wii. Even great Wii games-- take SMG2 for example-- are forgotten quickly because the Wii isn't seen as a relevant console. Only the PS3 and 360 matter to most on the internet.

I think NitroWolf makes the best point that the issue with shovelware is that devs can get caught up in the craze. Take Guerilla Games and their controls. They've gotten an earful from the core Killzone community for apparently "selling out" and "going casual". The devs themselves admit they want to appeal to a wider audience, yet carefully claim that the hardcore are still at the heart.

Gamers fear the casual gamers and the Wii is associated as the root of this evil. To me, I think quality developers can please the core audience regardless of the motion generation. But then again, games like MW2 have taken the reputation of talents like IW down the Sh*tter and even GG has been accused of doing the same. I think though that the hardcore are afraid of the slightest chance that their game is trying to appeal to a wider audience. Personally I don't see a problem. GG still has a hardcore game, and the controls will benefit from being more responsive, not alienate the faithful audience. And guys like Treyarch are making their game "hardcore" by adding recoil, more health, etc. Even Sucker Punch tried to go the "casual" way by changing Cole but the core audience fought back.

All of this pisses core audiences off.

My point is this: The Move is bound to have shovelware but that shouldn't matter since having a Hannah Montana game no way affects your enjoyment of Killzone 3. But, as Nitro points out, there is evidence to show that devs can't as so much dip their toes in casual waters without their audience freaking out. People seem defensive to me, the question is, does shovelware really affect your games? I don't know, I can see the answer going both ways now :)

You guys are saying fine, let the shovelware come as long as the good games come to. In theory thats ok. My worry is that theres only so many games that get made a year, theres only so many devs to go around, theres only so much money to allocate to developement.

If a bunch small devs I've never heard of and maid their bones on iPhone games want to cash in, then why should I care. But if Ubisoft, EA, Capcom or any other big name start just phoning in wagglecrap, then it means one more title gone that they could have put some effort into and it will go down as a missed oppurtunity.

But like everything in life, the right balance is the answer. Let hope they find it.

I don't have much faith in the third party devs, but I do trust Sony's First Party to represent the Move quite a bit.

I know that devs may cash-in but if they do, doesn't that make them bad devs to begin with? If they don't put the effort in then why assume that they ever would? I'm sure third party devs will utilize Move right, but there naturally are more bad devs than good ones

"Take Guerilla Games and their controls. They've gotten an earful from the core Killzone community for apparently "selling out" and "going casual". The devs themselves admit they want to appeal to a wider audience, yet carefully claim that the hardcore are still at the heart."

This outcry was from the fact that people were still leary of the move based solely on their experiences with the wii.. Let's face it the wii has that casual stigma because thats what dominates the software on the console... Yes there are great games on the wii but the number of shovelware/casual titles outnumber the great core games 3:1.. But as far as sony goes they have the best track record when it comes to software.. They have(arguably) the best lineup of first party developers in the industry and they pump out AAA hit after AAA hit.. This bodes well for move as well.. Now a week after launch we are seeing the move being lauded with praise and the core audience is seeing just how much move can enhance the already solid gameplay in the killzone franchise.. In fact after watching that developer walk through of kz3 with the move I was sold.. I made up my mind that day that I was buying move day 1.. I kept my end of the bargain and the wait for kz3 has me absolutely loving sports champions and resident evil 5 gold edition.. Besides at the end of the day ps3 gamers have a discerning taste and titles that suck or are quick cash ins sell miserably on the ps3.. What makes you think that shovelware will overrun the cataloge? If anything move will be a wake up call to the developers working on wii titles.. That extra bit of attention to detail and more passion lends itself to a great game which in turn breeds great sales..

They have quality control.

Seriously.

They have checking procedures to make sure developers don't make too many of the same games.

For example, if there's 5 side-scrolling shooter games on the PS3, the developer that wants to make another side-scrolling shooter MUST have an innovative idea/twist to the same old mechanics.

There was an article on Sony's quality control awhile back.

Basically, Sony will control the amount of shovelware that comes towards the PS3's way. Then Sony will encourage innovation towards those turned down developers if they REALLY want their game on the PS3.

For assurance, check out DigitalAnalog's 1.3 post down below.

And that's even without reading the quality control article yet.

One difference is, Sony has the reputation to sell top notch products. Now, if you agree with it or not is a different discussion. But a big part of the company image is based on high end product placement.

The Move is no different. The PS3 is no different. You can discuss performance, but built quality is usually top notch.

Shovelware certainly counters that reputation. For a players personal view you can easily justify that in saying "as long as I get my HQ games, I am all set". From a marketing perspective, I am not sure if that's where you want to go.

I am also not really happy about it too much. An example Racket Sports. This is a game which plays like a Wii game - sorry to say. It simply does not meet the precision other move games deliver. It is simply a Wii game using HD graphics; but the rest is still the same. We will see more of those coming down the road because the development effort is rather small and allows companies to "double dip".

How do I as a consumer know what to buy? I would have hoped, the game would have been an improvement. Say, if I'd have a choice to get either version, would I get the PS3 version just because of fancy graphics? I think that's not enough. I would want to utilize to controls the same way they utilize the better visuals on the platform. And yet, we get a game which already exists, gets a straight port just to "cash in on the motion craze".

The good thing is, we have demos. Everybody can try out the games before we buy. This will hopefully sort out the good from the extraordinary games. OTHO, I almost would look like if the game is available on the Wii, then I wouldn't even consider buying it for the PS3 (that's a bit harsh, and possibly not justified).

Racket Sports is an example which triggers that reaction in me. Which is a pitty. I certainly would want to see Battalion Wars 3 in 1080p on the PS3.

Please no more Hannah Montana's!!! My daughter made me watch with her a Hannah Montana marathon!! My eyes and ears hurt and my sense of manhood is extremely shaken! I refuse to buy any shovelware for the Move if they do come out.