That are way behind the Iphone, I don't see how the 3DS could even come close to the PS3 or the Xbox 360.
They'll have to convince me with some HD video at least.

It's not about those specs it's the shader output and hardwired effects. Try doing smoke real smoke on the iPhone lol the draw call will be equal to the bit rate of your smoke. This effect is almost free on the 3ds.

That isn't even true on the hd consoles. Suffice to say certain effects are actualy in the silicon so it's already been optimized and the gpu in this thing is way better than the consoles because of it.

Most did not think nintendo could even do this and yet they have. It really is that good shader wise.

Sure Sony can do better but they would have to show more devs some solid hardware because devs are loving this new ds.

What would be funny is it can out do the wii right now with out tweaks. I'm not sure why you guys are so affraid? It's a handheld yet I have to admit nintendo always makes there home system way more powerful than their handheld.

Now an minihdmi port would be murder.

Understand take a breath it's a hd like handheld console. It does what the hd consoles do well shaders. It is also specialized hardware with only a few standards to worry about. The gpu is very to the point.

It is what the psp could have been. Totally crushes the tegra in power output ratios and it's cus even the CPU helps out if you want ah al ps3 style or xbox style.

You can choose to support 3d or not which would maximize your bandwidth.

No one is going to spill all the beans though your gonna have to wait.

Nvm

Who knows what the end product will have. The mini hdmi would be sweet.

You know what it would cool if it was good at upscaling also. They do make USB component inputs things could get interesting lol

It would be cool if you could vc games of the wii on here lol right before the next system comes out.

I think you might one to tried coding or making some shaders on pc or the iPhone before you judge the impact of the 3ds graphics power.

Just think the shaders of the pc with lower resolution, lower textures and slightly lower geometry. Then realize this is all for a small screen.

Oh yeah it does smoke really really well.

Halo reach is actually 720p, and when it comes to visual quality and scale UC2,Killzone2,and gow3 don't come close.

" but not something to be bragging about"

Funny cause someone is just screaming how PS3 has the best gfx while its not even HIS product.

No one should be so ignorant and brag about any of these gfx.
Games look good, they can only look better.

ps3 guys are going to eat you alive frank... bad idea

"when it comes to visual quality and scale UC2,Killzone2,and gow3 don't come close. "

Bwahahaha.. i always come to N4G for my sh!ts and giggles of the day.

did you just compare the scale of Halo Reach to God of War 3

forget the visual quality and all that other stuff. The scale of God of War 3 has never even come close to being matched before in a game. Well, SotC has the same level scale but was ps2 and not HD so can't compare it. At least not until its re-released next year. Anyways. Slap yourself for that comment please.

halo reach has the best graphics to date. It beats uc2, kz2, mgs4, gow3 and even the pc's precious crysis. I say this with full confidence and until proven otherwise a ps3 can't hold a stick to the raw power of the 360. Dream on ps3 users -HALO IS BACK FULL FORCE!!!!!!!!

expect for halo to steal sales from kz3 also and I wont say I told you so

I sure did, Everyone talks about GOW3s scale but come one guys, we had no control of the camera to truly enjoy everything that is suppose to be happening. They only let you see a few things like the battle with chronos whats he like 1000 feet and I know its probably to fit him on screen but all you really do is fight on his arm which isnt to impressive. The scale of GOW3 was limited by the lack of camera control.

What good would it do if bungie or guerilla games said we have 3000 individual AI running at the same time but you can only see 50 of them.

I understand that HALO has a lot of fans because is a" fun" game to play but i did not kneew they are so 5tup..s

wow this comment thread is really off-topic

Wow this whole thread is full of retards or trolls.

Stop whining about camera movement. Not every game needs a fully 3 dimensional camera, because some games just wouldn't work as good with them.

If GOW3 had a 3D camera, it would be so annoying trying to position it in a fight, and you would likely miss half of the epic moments because you were looking at the ground or something stupid like that.

I like director controlled camera's like in God of War, that way I never miss anything cool.

Very nice trolling skills, impressive indeed.

I own an xbox and a gaming pc (primarily xbox), and no way is halo reach better looking than uncharted. It's a great looking game, but textures aren't great and it isn't AMAZING looking. Not as good as U2 though, and I've hardly even played U2...

Halo reach is NOT 720p.. as confirmed by digital foundry.. and they love the game. But its not 720p but close:
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

(read 3rd paragraph in)

If you then go factor in that they use dodgy temporal aliasing (resulting in 'ghosting' effect).. and its a KO for Reach. The Mighty Uncharted 2..game of the year... back in 2009!

"Devs need to start doing it this way

PS3-------Port to-------360 "

It doesn't work that way.
Both versions are usually build simultaneously, its more time and cost efficient.

Sidar it is more cheap if they port the game over rather then work on both titles at the same time
in most cases it is like that
Many of EA games are Port
2K does ports also
Se does ports for many of their games
Capcom ports

Not many devs actually work on both title both ground up, they usually just port the game over and do a few tweaks

For the 360 to match the ps3s graphics it would need and additional core, the games basically operate on 2 cores with the third used for the os. ps3 has those 6 spus and at 2 threads per core a quad would do it for the 360

@Nitrowolf2
You DO realise that those games you listed are ALL PS3 exclusives? So they are gonna look WAY better on PS3 because devs can use alot more Disk space.

"but i see what you mean by most games as in Multiplat "
did you read that part?

there are a good number of PS3 multiplat that look better or identicle
my point i was saying to Zyrando was about that BS complex stuff that people been saying about the PS3 for years after a few devs have said it.

At least 4 of those games i have said are developed by third party devs which should give no excuse for that hardware complex if they have devs creating these great games.
Portal 2 valve- EA (which is not exclusive but devs said PS3 version for console will be the better vrsion)
Heavy Rain- Quntic dream
MGS4- Konami
FF13- Square Enix

also
"So they are gonna look WAY better on PS3 because devs can use alot more Disk space."

So what exactly is preventing them from using more space on a multiplat game?
Simple answer

hmmmm I smell some bs

ehm you mean like when kojima said the MGS4 cut scenes were all in game?
or like when takeuchi said the the re4 and re5 cut scenes were all in game?

yeah those devs are all such liars (sarcasm)

fact of the matter is capcom and inafune have stated that what was shown is running on the in game engine and there is no reason to believe other wise because if you disbelieve that then i don't see how you can believe anything any developer ever says