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Kudo: Kinect features “really can’t be done on any other console”

VG247: "Kinect chief Kudo Tsunoda has told VG247 that 360’s incoming motion tech could only work on the Microsoft hardware."

GWAVE5730d ago

Dear M$,

Instead of just saying it, show us. Kinect has yet to show one single thing that hasn't already been done on Eyetoy, Eye, and that Xbox 360 camera that everyone has conveniently forgotten.

Omega45730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

Ok.

Show me:
-a driving game like how joy ride is played
-a dancing game which tracks both your hands and feet for real dance move not just dance crap
-3D tracking

All done on the Eyetoy.

hi25730d ago

show me the games,good ones

cossie1235730d ago

forza 4. not been done on eyetoy. dance central not been done , star wars not been done. and theres more to come

Pillville5730d ago

@Omega

"a driving game like how joy ride is played"
Can't show you one, because no one else is stupid enough to make a racing game with no gas or break petals.

"a dancing game which tracks both your hands and feet for real dance move not just dance crap"
Are you a 12 year old girl? if not, you should not be hyping this. If they made a game about putting on virtual jewelry would you be hyping that too? I mean, no one else has a jewelry game.

"3D tracking"
Correct. This is THE feature Kinect has that no one else has. But I haven't seen it put to good use, or seen a demo showing how precise the 3D tracking is.

Motorola5730d ago

Doesnt the PS eye 3d track the move controller correct me if Im wrong.

Lucreto5730d ago

@Omega
"a driving game like how joy ride is played"
Thats the game that doesn't work at all. I have seen people play it and there is a problem with turning. I light movement the car doesn't turn and a heavier turn spins the car.

Pillville5730d ago

Yes, the PS eye 3d tracks the move controller.

But I was referring to the camera being able to track everything in 3D on its own. For example, Kinect (in theory) could track a foot kick and know if you kicked forward or backward.
But, I still haven't seen this full 3D tracking put to good use in a Kinect game yet.

sikbeta5730d ago

On-rail crap, waggle-waggle-dancing and stroking virtual cats don't count as real games, so keep up with hype, I want to see the faces of the people when they realize how lame is this "unique" device...

gamingdroid5730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

PS Eye is a 2D camera. It can not track in 3D, but the way PS Move works is it tracks the size of the ball on the PS Move wand. The system knows the physical size of the glowing ball and hence can determine your distance based on it's size. The further away you are, the smaller the ball will appear to the camera.

PS Move's ability to track in the depth (i.e. 3rd dimension) is about 1 cm increments, close to around one third to to half an inch.

Kinect works by getting a topography map if you will of the entire room (or whatever is visible to Kinect). From then it is all software to try and figure out what is what. The software part is the most difficult part of the technology.

Redempteur5730d ago

3D tracking ???
ROFL we haven't even seen a tech demo using it ...

thankfully M$ were so happy to show me xbox play , xbox pause and xbox rewind such powerfull features !! Thank god /s

Bigpappy5730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

Then Sony needs to re-release those Eyetoy games, next week with the move, to show up M$ as a bunch of copier with nothing new.

But they will not because, they cant! The closes thing they have to a Kinect game is "Kung-fu Live". To be frank and honest, that game sucks Monkey Balls. It is a 2D side stroller, where you fight from side to side, all the while trying to peep at the TV over your shoulder. Lights out with the move is the best bet for comparison, and that uses the Move and you can not use your legs. So it seems to me Kudo is right.

Show me the games:
Sonic Rider (where you throw projectile at those ahead of you)

Kinect sports (boxing, bowling and vollyball. All played with nothing in your hands)

Dance Central (this and you shap fitness grade you on full body tracking. Not even Kinect version of DDR could be done on PSeye)

Joy Ride (where you lean back and forward to do tricks and speed boost, will require the move in your hand to work)

They are just some quick examples. I am sure I missed more, but thats enough.

Longrod_Von_Hugendon5730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

He's right these kinds of features can't be reproduced on any other hardware. Only with Kinect and Xbox 360.
look at how empty the MS store is LMAO!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

DORMIN5730d ago

Ever wonder what the bottom of bullsh*t looks like...

BAM THERE IT IS!

Montoya5730d ago

Omega is a MS employee. No joke.

T9X695730d ago

I'm not trying to defend Kinect or Omega but seriously, if someone says prove this can do that. Don't reply back with stupid ass comments like "Can't show you one, because no one is stupid enough to make it". People make stupid games all the time, there's tons of them on PSN and XBL. If someone says prove something, fucking do it, or take your "Kinect, fails hehhe" comments else where. If you don't like Kinects games more power to you, don't buy them, that's what I'm doing, but other people will.

Kinect has done stuff the Eyetoy can't and hasn't, it's not a big deal, especially when 99% of people on this site say how shitty it is. I can understand bashing something a few times for not liking it, but seriously I've been hearing the same rehashed comments since E3, and its fucking pathetic.

Pillville5730d ago

@T9X69

You're right, if no one has done it before, it must because they lack innovation and skills.

Surely Sony lacked the skill to make a racing game where you barely control the car, that is why they haven't done it.

/s

Omega's point was that nothing like that had been done before. My point was that there is a good reason for that. Nintendo could have made Mario Kart work by just tilting the wiimote, but they didn't. Guess why they didn't.

TotalPS3Fanboy5730d ago

"Show me:
-a driving game like how joy ride is played"

How about I show you something better? A driving game that's not on rail, and is actually responsive, where you can actually drive, accerate, brake, etc. Games like Burn Out, GT5, NFS, and every other racing game.

"-a dancing game which tracks both your hands and feet for real dance move not just dance crap"

Just go clubbing, dude. Clubbing = $10 to get in. Kinect + Dancing game = $200.

-3D tracking"

PS3 Move does 3D tracking already. And it's very accurate at it.

PS3 Move + 3D HDTV = Ultimate Immersion!!!

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goldensfree5730d ago

“At the end of the day it’s funny to me. Those people really haven’t played with any of the Kinect technology, and I just think that as people see something completely unique that we’re doing on Xbox, not only with the full-body gesture stuff, but with the voice and the human recognition system, those are things that really can’t be done on any other console, or in any other medium.”

fine then show us a game that cant b done on the eye jus one... thought so.

callahan095730d ago

"...but with the voice and the human recognition system, those are things that really can’t be done on any other console, or in any other medium."

Voice and human recognition is completely possible (and already accomplished) with the PSEye. There's YouTube videos. I'm on way out the door so you'll have to find them yourself if you don't believe me. But it's true.

Ilikegames765730d ago

Aaron Greenberg's apprentice. Just a typical MS employee.

Pennywise5730d ago

They are right. Kinect can't be done on any other consoles - BECAUSE THEY REJECTED IT.

Liquid_Ocelot5730d ago

I was about to state the same, Kinect® can't be done on any other console [because they rejected the tech] [oh also, we bought the company/tech.. Because of that too]

BAM, Baby!

>X^D)

mittwaffen5730d ago

NICe HAHA!

Put it this way, I hate Kinect that its only for kids, which is bullshit! It shows microsoft forgetting about the people that made their game division thrive.

Whatever, we'll see it might be cool down the road. Likely not since it'll be tagged a kids toy. Oh well, Microsoft; please hire proper management--its destroying your company.

Parapraxis5730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

I'm led to believe that Kudo is full-on delusional. Living in his own little dreamworld where he can say whatever he pleases, yet never has to prove his claims.

Unfortunately for him anybody who actually looks critically at Kinect quickly sees not only where he is stretching the truth, but also where he is flat out lying.

UP5730d ago

LoL invisible steering wheel. Kinect=Charades (As of right now anyway)

bjornbear5730d ago

...

well thats because Kinect isn't on any other console...for one

and secondly.

Yes, everything we've seen so far can be done on other consoles...*looks at eyetoy/pc*

KiLLUMiNATi_895730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

Man this guy is sick in his head. It's something wrong with this nutcase. I can tell you this he must be getting paid alot of money to be running he's mouth like this.

Kaneda5730d ago (Edited 5730d ago )

Look at the video before you disagree.. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

DatNJDom815730d ago

You WIN! Wat a nice a....

MNicholas5730d ago

No other company would allow a dysfunctional control interface on their console and then advertise it using faked video clips of various functions it cannot actually do.

DatNJDom815730d ago

the FAIL feature can't be done on any other console.

By the way the PSeye can't do 3D tracking? hmmmm. So the Move's 3-D tracking isn't really being done???

8thnightvolley5730d ago

ok now this kudo guy i am intrested in the kinect and all but to say this is just pure bs.. come on the was an article a few months ago with guys working on a kinect-like camera and they said its much better than kinect faster and all and they will adopt it to work with 360 ps3 and pc.. that alone does make kinect abit of a ripoff.

likedamaster5730d ago

Microsoft sounds like Sony... stupid.

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ZombieAutopsy5730d ago

eh its the same as Sony saying Uncharted could only be done on Ps3....they own the tech. I'm sure if kinect was made for Ps3 it would work just as well (maybe better if it was programmed around the CELL), but since MS own the tech it won't happen.

Biggest5730d ago

Kinect is USB connected. I'm 100% sure someone will make the drivers necessary to use it on PC. You can use the PSEye on PC and it is one hell of a webcam for that cheap a price.

Troll_Police5730d ago

Remember, Sony AND Nintendo passed on Kinect for a reason.

mrv3215730d ago

These features are...? It'd be nice instead of just saying how amazing it is you'd say why it's AMAZING!

'“It’s not like we bring people working on Sony Move into the Microsoft offices and say, ‘Hey, wouldn’t you like to check out Kinect?’ And, ‘Let’s do some kind of precision test between Move and Kinect.’'

BECAUSE MOVE WILL WIN!

ULTIMATE_REVENGE5730d ago

“really can’t be done on any other console”

That's because it's only available for one console. The PS3's processing power could handle 3 Kinects all connected to one PS3 at the same time.

About 99% of Kinects features has nothing to do with the 360 either, it has to do with the cameras built in technology.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio18d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing18d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit18d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing18d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay20d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn221d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn220d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown21d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay20d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay20d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac20d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger21d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300021d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde21d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde20d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7522d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_20d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.