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Move vs. Kinect: In their own words

CVG: Sony and Microsoft make their case.

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Chaostar5736d ago

I was expecting a rebuttal at the end of the article from a spokesman for Kinect...

...didn't happen.

Bobbykotickrulesz5736d ago

Kinect it uh... It does stuff....Um.. Halo: Reach September 14th. Buy it.

Lifendz5736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

Kinect is just fundamentally lame imo. There's a reason that controllers have been a part of the equation since the inception of gaming. You can simplify the controller, but you still need a bleeping controller. Really think Kinect will be the next HD-DVD add-on for the 360.

Close_Second5736d ago

...Kinect camera better than PS3Eye however, addition of Move gives the advantage of 1:1 tracking without such a high cost on system resources.

However, add a Move type controller to Kinect and it would be superior.

sayonara895736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

60 fps camera > 30 fps camera

Fishy Fingers5736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

Kinect would surely be able to track at 60FPS if they lowered the resolution (thats how the PSEye does it too) and it wouldnt need such a high resolution if it where just tracking an object like Move.

Close_Second5736d ago

...dont just focus on one. You need to take it all into consideration.

If the PS3Eye was so damned good then way is there only a handful of titles for it after 3-4 years?

Fishy Fingers5736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

Well peripherals rarely take off and become successful, and lets face it, most of the PSEye games were/are basic little PSN type mini games (aka crap).

sayonara895736d ago

PSE:
640x480 - 60fps
320x240 - 120fps

Kinect:
640x480 - 30fps
Depth sensor - 320x240 - 30 fps

Shadow Flare5736d ago

If Sony have patented the move style controller with a light source on top, then Microsoft might not be able to make a controller like that. Which could very well mean that if Microsoft ever did make a controller for kinetc, it might never be as accurate as move

jack_burt0n5736d ago

yeah ppl tend to become suddenly stupid when this argument comes up, their new controller would have to have no bluetooth, no IR, no light source etc etc etc because each one is flooded with patents from both nintendo and sony.

The other reason why sony ended up using the light is because it doesn't infringe any nintendo patents and is camera based.

all the kinect money went into the thermal aspects.

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Games4M - Rob5736d ago

Add another peripheral to a camera that already costs $149 ???

Bell Boy5736d ago

Lol Sir that is so true and is it me I am seeing more and more Kinect supporters saying MS will release an additional controller...lol talk about a fool and their money will soon be parted!! They are practically begging MS to fleece them more and Kinect as not even launched.

Seriously you could not make this stuff up...lol

8-bit5736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

Kinect will have it's tough times ahead. I imagine it will sell really really well this holiday and then hit the return/trade in bins in no time once people realize that it doesn't work how they thought it would. Games will become recycled shovelware before you even get through the launch titles.

You will see games like Dance Central, Dance Party, Dance off, Dance Dance Dance...

EA Fitness, Workout, Kinect fit, Personal Trainer...

Rail Shooter, Rail Shooter, Rail Shooter, Fucking Rail Shooter..

MS will be forced into a corner where they would have to add a controller as an act of desperation, going back on their entire "you are the controller" platform. There is just no way that controller less gaming has the ability to have the variety of game types that we have become accustomed to. I mean, it seems like MS aren't even trying to appeal to the core audience, and I bet it's because they can't.

Lifendz5736d ago

There's only a "handful" of games for the PS3eye because Sony failed to realize that there was a huge market for motion controller games. Doesn't necessarily connote that the camera isn't worth a damn. Sony's games division may be many things, but it's not a division that releases gaming devices that aren't cutting edge.

DJMarty5736d ago

Bull

The PSEye can do 120FPS at low res & 60FPS at hires

Kinect does low res at 30FPS and not particularly well, Kinect is a joke and total lag fest.

marinelife95736d ago

PS eye does 60fps at 640x480.
120 fps at 320x240

http://www.myce.com/news/ca...

cliffbo5736d ago

@Fishy Fingers

the Kinect camera has half the frame rate of the pseye no matter what the resolution and FYI at low res the pseye can do a 120fps the kinect is not capable of this the pseye also has a wider angle of view than the kinect therefore can work in smaller spaces.

btk5735d ago

In order to add a Move / Wiimote is going to be at least another year - and by then the next gen info will be coming out. What it boils down to is that MS betted on Kinect - and it is clear that was misguided. It will take at least 1 to 2 years to correct this and add a motion controller like Move. And what will the cost be then? $150 + $50 = $200, just to match Move functionality and not drop support for the Kinect crowd.

MS missed the mark by a mile with Kinect - and to make it worse the hyped the living daylights out of it - made grand promises of what will be achieved, sneered at the competition and is now left saying erm and ahh while the competition is getting glowing reviews and Kinect is being seriously questioned.

Take RUSE - no Kinect support. And what was all the hoo ha about Kinect having such enormous dev support? It is not out yet and seems to lose dev support.

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divideby05736d ago

not buying either until I can play REAL games with these devices...(ie: Socom or Fable) than I will buy them for my consoles.
until than just look at the crap shovelware...no thanx.. keep using the Wii until next year.

Ven10005736d ago

I'll be playing Heavy Rain, RE5 Gold Edition. Two games I haven't played before that should lend themselves well to Move.

mightydog015736d ago

you forgot ruse an RTS that as move controller as well

Calm Down Sunshine5736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

"The game I want to see the most [with Move] is one where I'm standing up and a whole horde of zombies are attacking me. I have in one hand the ability to pick them up and throw them at each other with some kind of levitation force, and in the other hand I have a weapon, an axe, a sword - I can choose what I want."

...Get this done, and I'm in.

JohnApocalypse5736d ago (Edited 5736d ago )

I want to know how they do at the end of the year. I hope they will both fail so people can end this bullshit deciding on which one is better. You don't need them, there are better games coming out that you'd be better spending your money on

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio21d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing21d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit21d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing21d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9221d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted24d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8523d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele23d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk23d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay23d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit23d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg23d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10123d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14923d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay23d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn224d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn223d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown23d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay23d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay23d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac23d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger23d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300023d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde23d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde23d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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