poor framerate textures and dull hazey games are the ps3 staple, its not just multi plat games that suffer either, its pretty obvious the ps3 isnt as good at games as the 360
as ps3 owners say the dvd format is a problem for the 360, the limited ram is a even bigger problem for the ps3 and because of this ps3 will allways be behind the 360 in terms of graphics textures and quality of multi plat games

First of all:

Dirt is also 1080p @ 60fps on the 360

Ridge Racer 6 has better graphics on the 360

PS3 games cost MORE on average around £10 more RRP wise.

360 has BETTER online, with better intergration of the online with having to mess around with the awkward interface of the PS3.

Oblivion has faster loading ONLY when you install the whole game which is around 4gb.

Oblivion does NOT and I repeat does NOT have better graphics I can easily prove this - look at the character faces on the 360 vs PS3 version the PS3 version looks terrible, look at the grass and the floor the detail and colours on the PS3 version are poor. The only thing in the PS3 version that is better is that it has a slight just slight better draw distance - also the PS3 version is lacking HDR and multi texturing and lighting.

How does HALO 3 look last gen? Are you trying to tell me those visuals are possible on the old Xbox and PS2? Anyone who says that is truely ignorant and perhaps mentally challenged.

How do we know what UT3 runs like or what it will be like? Have you played it? Do you have the game? NO you dont. In regards to the 360 version well who knows, it will be out after the PS3 version soo 360 version could end up being even better.

Burnout Paradise & DMC4 are also 1080p on the 360 but who cares 1080i and 1080p there is a minimal difference I know I have 2 Samsung HDTV's in the house that I live in a 40inch 1080i and a 52inch 1080p.

And while you are sitting there with nothing to play and no decent games on the PS3 the 360 gamers are getting a ton loada games look at what is coming next friday then after that hopefully even more.

Oh and lastly the 360 does NOT use a PC power cable sheesh do some of you even know what a PC cable looks like? Or do you only know how to press the ON button?

Most of the people here mainly the PS3fanbabies are uneducated in the technical understanding of the 360 and PS3 the only thing you people know is that the PS3 has a CELL and an obsolete RSX chip and the 360's red rings.

When will you kids grow up and actually be able to have a much more mature conversation where you can input more valid comments?

give the ram thing a break they both have 512mb of ram. the ps3 ram is just broken in to two parts. they can still be used in unison though. Just like pc when they have 2gb of ram they are usually two 1gb sticks that the pc uses in unison so stop acting like your some tech expert of. if the ps3 ram is so bad how come ut3 looks like gears of war which clearly needs 512mb of ram to run otherwise epic wouldn't of told microsoft to up the ram in 360. guess the ps3 really does have as much ram as the 360 and it can use all of it for graphics

*edit both have 512mb of ram my friend the extra 10mb u are talking about on 360 are for AA and to upscale games these are not what the devs use for the game when they are designing also the XDR ram in the ps3 is the fastest ram, but u are right i am interested to compare the 360 version of ut3 compared to the ps3 version, just so it can finally clarify all this talk of ram

I wonder how much he got paid to come to that not so original conclusion... I mean hasn't this been obvious ever since the Playstation 3 came out? and most people (should have) anticipated it as well. I mean the first PC -> 360-ports were "inferior" as well. It always takes a while for the developers to learn new hardware, especially when it's different from what they are used to.

Look at the ends of the PS3 power cable it is EXACTLY the same as a PC power cable the 360 is DIFFERENT.

Nope the argument on the Oblivion case is easy to see the 360 version is indeed the better version the blu-ray drive is SLOW I rather the 360 version have slightly slower loading times instead of having to wait 45mins to INSTALL 4gb onto the hard drive!!

Nope again RRP of a 360 game is around £10 cheaper on average than a PS3 game look at the inferior Armoured Core on the PS3 version against the better looking 360 version (oh my bad its hard to say BETTER version when you have a £425 9KG black box that does nothing other than to play blu-ray movies another inferior format for several reasons).

Its rather difficult to talk maturely to those of around the age of 8 on this site hence the way I have spoken and will continue to unless I speak in BABY LANGUAGE to get my point across.

And yes the PS3 is CRIPPLED in the memory department XDR against DDR is stupid its bottlenecking.

Oh and to add insult to injury the PS3 uses 94mb of its memory just for its interface!

The 360 uses 32mb for its interface which is a FAR better interface and something that is a lot more unique instead of the PSP interface on the PS3.

Games will always better on the 360 and the 360 will always be the leading platform.

PS3 fan babies its a shame you are not gamers otherwise you would have a 360 and enjoy it for what it does...And thats...

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If you people actually could READ yes this requires education in which one must attend a place called a SCHOOL I clearly said on many occassions RRP!

Do you know what this means kids? Well let me educate you since you obviously like to NOT attend school.

RRP means Recommended Retail Price.

This usually means when one walks into the store the selling price is what has been recommended to be sold at retail by i.e. Publisher.

Now if you wish to know what Publisher means I would be happy to educate you poor little kids further.

In reference to the power brick and the PC cable I was meerly pointing out the cables connectivity I dont care about the power pack of the 360 both machines are negative and positive in regards to weight and size.

And no sorry the 2x blu-ray player is NOT the same speed as the 12x DVD drive I think you need to do a bit more research or you could just watch the many videos on the net that show the same games side by side and you can clearly see the PS3 versions take longer to load.

Also yes it does take around 30-45mins to install the PS3 games onto the hard drive, first it takes around 5mins to even start to install dont tell me I am being ignorant etc it does and you know it the it starts to painfully install.

I have hardly noticed the difference in loading with and without installing and its such a shame that the PS3's obsolete RSX cannot even do the visuals the 360 XENOS can do.

360 has Multi texturing, HDR+AA and other features like 10mb EDRAM for free Anti aliasing along which are some of the DX10 features which makes the GPU a DX9.5 system.

Oh and the 360 was the FIRST console funny enough to offer 1080p thanks to the update which UNLOCKED the ANA chips capabilities...But then again I am sure many of you are just playing your pricey PS3 on a 14inch portable...

its always been this way when you have new hardware of course its also a developer thing as well,pay peanuts get monkeys hence why ea games have gone down the pan
the top devs never complain about the ps3 they are full of praise for it as the only platform out there as next gen.
theres no limitations to it, they all have hard drives they all have blu ray and with top class devs comes top class titles
ut3 can,t be put on the 360 it looks better than gears epic,s own comments due to space but the 360 will get a watered down version
mgs4 talking 20gb plus may even need 50gb bluray disc to fit game on
this is already happening and its not even a year old yet
people say two discs doesn,t bother me jokers

You people are clearly stupid.

Ok try this he states its its OWN API in its own right however does clearly state that its sharing features from both DX9 and DX10 yes thats the bit I am talking about creating a similar inbetween of DX9.5 even though as stated it is its own API

http://www.hardocp.com/arti...

Also I havent said the PS3 is trash find where I said that exactly...Thats right you cant.

Well MGS4 (not my sorta thing) and FF13 will be top sellers but since there are a few million more 360's I reckon Fable 2 will easily beat those games in sales world wide that is.

Lost Odessy seems to be a 2008 release now and again another top seller.

And put it this way...Once HALO 3 is released there is no game that Sony will ever have that will beat it in sales.

Next year there are plenty of titles and lets not forget Too Human if it doesnt make it for this year its certainly gonna be a hit next year.

Looking at it the Xbox 360 is the only console that has the most exclusives that are all pretty much AAA titles.

What has Sony got? Only 2 huge titles MGS4 and FF13 the other games are just average titles.

And whats funny is Sony has lost many of its exclusives - still doing a petition on DMC4? Hahahaha you might want to do one for Ace Combat 6 and some other games.

Oh and whats it feel like having to WAIT for several months for a port from the 360?

GRAW 2 comes out next Friday for the PS3 whilst you are playing a 6month port 360 gamers and true gamers I might add will be on BIOSHOCK and perhaps Blue Dragon! Oh and Moto GP 2007!

Awww whats that? You want Bioshock? Well you know what to do...

Sit back and wait IF it comes out ;-)

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it's ludicrous how stupid this guy is, i'm afraid that if a read anymore of the otaku saiyan kid's writing- his stupidity will rub off on me.

hello ignore button!

Another "Who's got the bigger P nis" thread. This is getting older than George Bush's anti-terrorism speeches.

FACTS:
*Sony fa6boys have been braggin about the PS3 as being 2x faster than 360 since 2005.
I haven't seen it yet.
*Sony fa6boys stated games that are made for PS3 are too powerful for 360.
They shut up suddenly when Fight Night (a game that was dev'd on PS3) came to 360...FIRST.
*When PS3 version finally came out-they stated it had better graphics-DUH it was in development longer?? And there wasn't a $600 worth difference anyway.
*Now they say Madden issues are due to ALL devs not having enough experience with PS3 yet.
WT*F*?? EA didn't get PS3 dev kits last week ya know. And look at Infinity Ward \ CoD4-this disproves your "360 has been out longer/Just wait until.." theory.

Someone obviously misqouted\mis-translated Ken, when he said; "It's a SUPERcomputer" What he said was to dev for it;"You need a SUPERCOMPUTER".

...does he also believe that ice is cold because its frozen water? *SIGH* These analysts are such douches--who in the heck pays their salaries?

Developers are becoming lazy. I mean, to know what they know and how to program games, do you know how long it takes to bring the Madden 08's frame rates to 60. I takes a couple of months working 7 hours a day with around 50 people. Lazy bastards, why not release that game a few months after as well.

STOP trying to act smart u def copyied and pasted all that from another website u retart u know damn well that the ps3 is gonna rule everything from now all they way till FOR EV ER, FOR EV ER, FOREVER

HOW U LIKE THEM APPLES GAYBOT360 FANBOYS U KNOW IT TO BE TRUE

No one really cares, even if you think you do you really don't. It's all about the games.

And as far as the games, yes I blame a lot of people for what happened with Sony games up to this point. For one I blame Sony- yes your busy building a super computer gaming system, but who better to understand the gaming system then the people who built it. (better support was needed, it was in fact key)

Sony has come out saying that they will give better support for unreal and the people working with the engine. Which just goes to show that they have not been doing enough.

But they are not alone in the blame, I also blame the money hungry companies who have released just awful products. (a game called F.E.A.R comes to mind) I was the biggest FEAR fan you could find, I beat the game in 3 days straight on my PC, I fell in love with the multi-player version and could not stop playing it. (I was not good, ok scratch that I was good but I was not great, but I was hooked. I played all the time day and night.)

So when I found out it was coming to PS3- I was so excited. Little did I know it would be a half ass port, which discussed me so much I don't even care about the PC version of the game, and they can make 25 sequels to the dam thing I could care less. That Port should have never been released, it's a complete example of what not to do to a game franchise. I have lost all respect for anyone working on the game and any company associated with that game.

My point is (sorry for that rant on fear, I could not help it) game developers will take shortcuts, and still charge you full price for a half ass port, so sad. But is that PS3's fault. NO!

Don't release your game if you can't make it right. So if you can't do conviction right on PS3 then my hat goes off to you Ubisoft.

Because instead of just robbing the consumer you say "Look we just didn't have enough work put into the game to get it to work right on the PS3, we have only been working with Xbox development kits so we backed out instead of pissing everyone off and making some half ass port. That is a much better move then making a weaker version of an Xbox 360 game and still charging the same price.

So if you ask me, blame falls on both sides Sony, and the Developers - it's a complex system and it will take some serious work and money to get your games ready for a PS3 release. You can not just port the PC version, like you can on 360, PS3 is a whole new architecture, it must be designed from the ground up.

So in the future Game companies will see this, as games designed for the system do very well and by 2008 companies will design catering to PS3 instead of offering side dishes. By 2008 I think the war will be over. Great games on both systems- But PS3 will take the lead because of blu-ray and having that much space on a disk will start to become a problem for 360. So i see 360 slowing down big time in 08.

(Now don't attack my bubbles if you disagree just click disagree and state your opinion -I would love to hear why, instead of just having blind attacks.)

Lets give these developers another 6 months. Things will change then because they'll have to.

Captain Obvious analyst here....

It's common knowledge that the PS3 is alot harder to develop for in comparison to the 360. Dont give me that BS that the 360 has been out 1 year longer. Both consoles hardware specs were already finalized and announced at E3 2005. Both consoles had thier final SDK's in devlopers hands by Summer of 2005. The PS3 was supposed to launch in Spring of 2006. It got delayed. Also the PS3 does have bottlenecks in comparison to the 360. The RAM is split into 2 "SEPERATE" pools of 256MB on the PS3. So each pool can only be used for either the CPU (256MB) or the GPU (256MB). The PS3 cannot combine those 2 pools of memory the way the 360 can. The 360 has 512MB of "UNIFIED" RAM that can be used for either CPU or GPU functions the developer needs it for. Also the PS3's OS takes up alot more space in the RAM than the 360's. And the 360 has the superior GPU technology with the embedded 10MB of EDRAM to help with the frame buffer and make it easier to get effects such as AA or HDR without compromising performance.

On the Cell and Blue-Ray. Blue-Ray's only advantage it gives to the PS3 is storage. It wont make the games run faster, or look better. The Cell processor is designed for DSP applications. That is the reason it was put in the PS3 and paired with Blue-Ray. To make the PS3 a multimedia playback device. All those GFLOP numbers Sony claims will never see the light of day in PS3 games. Because the CPU was not designed in a way to be efficient for general CPU tasks. This is why the 360 CPU although slower on paper is more efficient and easier to program for. Face it PS3 fanboys. You bought into Ken Kutaragi's 1080P 120fps 4D BS HYPE!!!!! And you paid $600.00 for that hype too. ROFL. Meawhile 360 owners have been playing better looking and performing games and getting the superior online gaming experience for less money and we didnt have to sit on the fence for a year. PS3: WAIT BEYOND!!!!!

I don't think that it is so much the case that the PS3 is "harder" to develop for in that it is probably very "different" from standard PC/360 development and most of the companies getting into PS3 development are probably not taking the proper time to really allow for the new learning curve.

Clearly games can be made for the PS3 and done well.... I think it just takes more time to "re-learn" the develepment for the PS3 and that is what developers are calling "difficult" but in reality its just a new learning curve and nothing more.

I think it is developers wanting to get games out on time. Yes the PS3 is harder to develope for and yes the 360 is easier, because 360 runs the same way that a PC runs. The PS3 (just like the PS2 before it) runs differently, this is why games like God Of War II and Final Fantasy XII was achievable on last generation, they both look amazing and didn't seem plausable around 2 years ago.

As for comments about Blu-Ray: Just wait for the first sand-box game that is around 500 square miles, entering any building, un-repetative furnishings and decor, then reply to what the Blu-Ray disk is for?

Dev's not putting in the time and effort to make a stellar triple A game like some other devs are doing. I guess it's all about personal prefrence. Some people like to put out quality work out; while others like to nickle and dime the average consumer. It's really not the devs fault. it's the fault of people who buy crappy games. If we as the consumers stop buying crap, they'll stop making it...

TWEAK YOUR F*CKING TV's SHARPNESS LOW, BRIGHTNESS HIGH, AND LITTLE LESS COLOR AND THEY LOOK THE SAME, how devs didnt know that is beyond me

when it comes to 360 to ps3 ports, you can't expect the game to be perfect, especialy when their time is limited on dev. the point is if you truly want to compare systems compare first party games,exclusive games and then see wich version is better instead of fighting like baboons on sysytem superiority!