@Weng

"I think a lot of people are hurt at the fact that PS3 has been hacked."

This is what I'm generally getting at. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I do think people have a particularly strong passion for the gaming industry, yet ironically, they will brush off pirating music, movies, etc. Like Dead said, a large majority of people DO pirate.

And linking what makidian and kingkiff said below, I think it's interesting that people have a "morality scale" when it comes to pirating.

I think that's wrong. Saying it's OK to steal from rich people and that stealing from the rich doesn't affect them much doesn't change the fact that you are STILL stealing.

There are many hardworking people who obtain things the honest way. Yes, gaming may not be as profitable to the devs as something like music making, but there are still many less popular musicians that people steal from, and again, it's still illegal/wrong. The principle here is that if one person can get away with it then we all out to be able to get away with it. I understand gaming may be more hurt by pirating... but does that make it any worse to steal? I mean, when I look at 360 piracy, I've never noticed much news/backlash, unless I'm wrong.

I find the whole thing rather hypocritical-- and I dont mean to get anyone offended. To be honest, I do obtain music illegally, have watched pirated movies, and even played pirated games with my Dreamcast (if I knew then that I was killing Sega I wouldn't have done it lol). I feel pretty upset about the PS3 piracy too, but I don't know if I have the right to be when I hypocritically steal myself.

I really doubt Sony is going to do that. This doesn't make sense. If I send in my PS3 for repair or for any other reason how would they run it without entering the debug mode?

I guess the only way Sony could remove Dev/Debug mode from PS3 is by offering an extended warranty. This would ensure that consumers don't get screwed and Sony won't loose money. Not as much as they would if they let this piracy extravaganza run for ever.

I am sad to see PS3 being hacked and used for pirated games. Heck there are PS3 games ISO already on different file sharing websites so this thing is really getting out of hand, however, I would LOVE to see MKV support on PS3 and the ability to install Google Chrome and/or Mozilla Firefox on my PS3. If only SONY could officially support MKV file format and come up with some type of partnership with Google 'cuz I think SONY + GOOGLE is an EPIC WIN for everybody!

keep your ps3 at 3.41 and when the new ps3's hit the shelves I'm sure you could get a good price on ebay.

@alpha

It's probably alot of damaged pride. These are the same people laughing at Geohot and using the no-hacks as a bulletpoint in why ps3 is better. There's lots of damaged ego's now which is why you see people like Morganfell and PirateThom on damage control.

I remember saying way back when that nothing was unhackable. These people kept running their mouths and now look at it. high horse's galore here at n4g with these people trying to play the morals and ethics card.

I dont totally get Alpha-Male point. Looking at what happened to the PSP is more than enough not to want the PS3 to be pirated. It shouldnt too hard to understand that PS3 (contrary to PS2) is not the leading platform by any means and massive piracy would hinder third party support. Obviously PS3 owners dont want that.

Totally understand your point. Stealing is stealing, it doesn't matter what people say. Its the same as a murderer; you murder one person or you murder 100. still a murdered. At least thats the way I look at it.

The easiest way for people to not be butt hurt about is dont use it. Dont play pirated hardware even though you have the choice to. That way atleast you can have a clear conscience

I still laugh at people that believe pirating software is the same as stealing a car it's bloody stupid logic.

90 percent of people that pirate software would of never actually payed for the software in the first place. The industry for some moronic reason counts every piece of software pirated as a lost sale.

People that honestly believe that's the case are complete morons. Sure the pirate industry certainly doesn't help software sales but it doesn't hurt them as much as publishers like to pretend.

And when you pirate software your not stealing the original like when you take a car your simply making a copy. If you went up to a guy and asked to make a copy of his BMW hes going to be a lot less pissed then if you stole it.

I highly disagree with your 90% of people who pirate wouldn't buy it. I believe that is completely BS. If those people are going to spend the time to download ~8 gigs or more they clearly have interest with the game. I don't go downloading ever demo on the PS store and I doubt few do.

While it would be stupid to say that no one actually pirates things that they wouldn't otherwise buy, it's probably at 10%.

Also for the whole car analogy is funny, because both stealing a car and copying something with a copywrite are both illegal even if one of those isn't physical.

"If you went up to a guy and asked to make a copy of his BMW hes going to be a lot less pissed then if you stole it."

I apparently missed the part where pirates have been approaching console manufacturers and publishers asking permission to pirate games.

I just can't say how angry I am that people would do something like this to their PS3, however, I feel like a hypocrite because I have a PSP which is hacked.

Game developers only make their money from game sales. Movies make money from cinemas, and musicians make money whenever their song/ music is played on the radio, commercials or whatever.

And don't forget that these markets are mostly composed of casuals that probably have no idea how to download free music or movie torrents. No wonder the console makers are pushing for the casual market since apparently many of the core users would rather not pay for games.

Makidian that is a well thought out answer. I myself have never brought pirated games or movies or used torrents but I admit when I was younger I pirated one or two tunes myself.Sony will survive this but developers who make only a certain amount of money will pay dearly for this.I don't see why anyone else can't see this. Movies and music make hundreds of millions of dollars despite piracy. Besides you people do realize that the other hacks were just as bad as this? The other hacks were no more or less wrong then the PS3 one. We PS3 owners would prefer Sony concentrate on making games and streamlining our gaming experiences not stopping hackers and thieves.Why is that so wrong?

For me the intriguing part of this is the theft of internal code that was used to make something that still hasn't been proven to give someone access to the source code... what is required to make an actual 'Jailbreak' application. It rubs me the wrong way, much like how say hacking is editing an XML file that is openly available for editing.

I'm intrigued to see the result of Sony's suits as well as what they will do with the next firmware update. I don't think the source code has been accessed, just that the code for the current firmware has been released and people are able to modify the code to piggy-back other programs onto it to run off of it with the proper compiling and reference modifications.

And, yeah, I think I'm one of the very few out there who has never pirated anything. Never even installed a torrent app on a machine even. But, that's not to say that all who use them use them for the wrong reasons. I know a friend of mine gets a lot of his friends and others writings from torrent sites, distributed by the authors openly.

the "big deal" is 360 has been a pirated console for 4 years now and it took hackers close to 4 years to pirate PS3. That's 4 years of fake hacks, some iPhone hacker douche that failed and lied to everyone, and now some hacker thieves that cloned Sony's tool - lol, how impressive. But who would want piracy on their console? Only those who plan to pirate the games. The people who want to support the developer are the ones who are against this. That's what I think.

bubbles+ to everyone here, nice discussion :)

@Dread

My biggest fear is Sony having to shut down studios, etc. Like what happened with Sega.

However, I don't think it's also fair to justify stealing movies, music, etc. JUST because they make more than game developers. Firstly, regardless of how much money someone makes, me stealing something is still a crime against people who buy things the honest way.

Also, what if Sony's studios were particularly wealthy? What if piracy wouldn't affect them as much either because they sold so many copies or because piracy was minimal? Would it then be OK to pirate just like it is justifiable to do so with Music/movies?

I notice that u didn't directly say it's OK to steal movies, etc. but people do seem to justify music stealing with "it doesn't make a difference if I steal or not because they are rich anyway"

I don't know man, it's a difficult issue. piracy hurts all industries but it does have a more damaging effect on the gaming. I can't say that I don't ever pirate anything. I don't care so much for modern music but some of the old school stuff can be hard to get legitimately. I do try to support my local artists whenever I can though. As for movies, I buy whenever I can but I have to admit I have more copies that originals.

What worries me the most is the attitude of some of the so called gamers in here that seems to have no problems hurting the industry they love so much.

Watching fanboys justify away their hypocrisy.

Nothing could be funnier!

..."PlayStation is dominating on every level"....

...Really???

PlayStation are soon heading into a new generation in the not to distant future. They currently have the worst customer satisfaction they've ever sustained as a company. The company is heading for a huge crash while at the same time they'll need to be planning how they are going to try and win back that favour and the build up to their new releases.

Yes financially they're winning but they're going to have to ride out this complete public corporate disaster. No one has faith in the company or the product anymore. They've damaged their public image so much this generation. Greed can kill anyone.

Hulst is a disaster......