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Cnet Australia - Hands on with Xbox 360 Kinect

It was bodies and limbs a-flailing in Sydney this week as Microsoft showed off its forthcoming Xbox 360 accessory, Kinect.

The system is a step beyond the Nintendo Wii as it replaces a traditional game pad with a camera that tracks your whole body's movements.

The accessory hits Australian shelves on 18 November 2010 for AU$199 and includes a motion-sensing camera hardware and a copy of Kinect Adventures. An Xbox 360 Slim bundle will also be available for AU$449.

CNET Australia got hot and sweaty at the Microsoft Open House showcase this week as we got some time to play with the new controller.

rroded5749d ago (Edited 5749d ago )

bet ya money cnet rates kinect at least a 4 lol

see wat 60 dollars live gets ya good reviews for your cash not ta mention you can go live with me av anytime.

sak5005749d ago

I smell smoke.. guess the fanboy is burning. Troll elsewhere boy.

Bobbykotickrulesz5749d ago

My 4 year old niece is going to love this!

rroded5749d ago (Edited 5749d ago )

jus as long as you give her your credit card

that or pay 60 for the full experience like the res of them XD

Seriously a site has credible as cnet aint cheap your lucky it wasnt a 20$ increase.

uxo225749d ago

Dude, get a life, you serious troll 24-7, you must need to tie a porkchop around your neck to get your own dog to play with you..lol

Moonboots5749d ago

Troll is troll.

Funny the contrast between Kinect and Move articles here.

Why is this CNET article blocked by the Strict content filter yet sites like computersandvideogames and CNET reporting on Move is not?

Anyway, was hoping for some good info not just another celebrity photo op. No sale.

tinybigman5749d ago

why would i spend $150 to buy shovelware when i could just buy it for my wii?
i'm sorry but i won't waste money on shovelware for a camera when i don't waste money on shovelware for my wii.

uxo225749d ago

You won't but others will, what does that make you...And acceptable loss.

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earbus5749d ago

Nice great couple of months f1 ,reach ,gt5 and kinnect great stuff for me

Bigpappy5749d ago

If they were not credible, they would have gone away long time ago.

Moonboots5749d ago (Edited 5749d ago )

Edited. I just read the CNET Move thread and they are calling them biased in there as well. Even though they gave the hardware a glowing review which is in line with what others are saying.

SilentNegotiator5749d ago

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
The National Enquirer has been around since 1926! AHAHAHAHAHA!

Credibility has nothing to do with prosperity, silly.

n4gno5749d ago

Cnet is ms partners, not biased only for blind fanboyz.

move review is just another joke from this non-gamer's site (unlike moonboots is saying, most of the site are really excited by the accuracy, and possibilities, and scored 8 to 10 !)

Jaces5749d ago

The cons they give are pretty damn weak, I'm not one to question reviews but when they don't give good enough reason why they rated it so low, or high for the matter, then it makes it hard for me to believe the score it received is the score it deserves.

Glad I don't have to depend on just one sites review though.

Anyway, Kinect is still looking like something I'd pass on if they don't show me some games I'm willing to shell some money out for to play. They forget that there's an adult audience out there as well that would like to see some games for them specifically.

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Bathyj5749d ago

Still nothing I'm remotely interested in playing.

PS
Why pretend your holding a steering wheel, when you can just hold a steering wheel?

I know they must be scrambling for for game related stuff to shoehorn into this technology they've created but this is just silly.

Its like why would you want to play a Time crisis like game with your finger pointing out when you could hold a gun?

Moonboots5749d ago

I don't see why he couldnt hold a steering wheel. I don't think Kinect gives a crap what you are holding in your hand it is tracking your body. Hold a real sword, hold a real gun, hold a real steering wheel.

I guess you could say this about Move and the Wii. Why would you want to use these waggle sticks when you can just use a controller. I think it comes down to immersion and just trying to create different experiences.

sak5005749d ago

well said +bubbs.

These typical sonlylonely bunch can't even come up with better excuses. I remember they used to have fresh excuses everyday from 2006~2009 defending their almighty sony empire. My favorite was "just wait for GT5" oh wait..

zypher5749d ago

that's the fundamental flaw with Kinect. pretending to drive a car without a steering wheel just doesn't work, and introducing an actual steering wheel goes against the whole "no need for a controller because YOU are the controller" concept.

GrooveChampion5749d ago

1) I think Kinect does give a crap about what is in your hand. If you obscure your body too much you might not register to the camera consistently.

2) Holding a loose steering wheel to play a racing game just seems silly. I guess it sorta worked for Mario Kart Wii, but for many players it just wasn't as much fun.

3) One would use "Waggle sticks" (aka: Wiimote and Move controller) because they have buttons and tend to be more accurate than nothing at all.

4) Certain situations can create/improve immersion, but I've been immersed in many games from the PC (mouse and KB) to handhelds and of course a myriad of home consoles. Taking the controller out of my hand does not equal immersion in every case. It might just be me, but playing a racing game without something in my hands seems more likely to pull me out of the experience.

Although, I could be wrong, as I haven't played it. But I did stand in front of my TV and lean left and right with my hands in front of me.

Bathyj5749d ago

Sak, you have nothing to contribute to this conversation. All that comes out of your mouth is bla bla bla Sonyfanboys keep complaining, boo hoo, meanwhile I'll b*tch about PS3 every second breath.

I have legitimate concerns with Kinect, as in, theres no software for it that makes me want to shell out for it, but hey, if you think the kinect games are good, then good for you. Just shows how low your standards are.

@ Moonboots
Good point, you could hold a wheel, or a plate, or a paper circle for that matter if it makes you feel more immersed. My point is, isnt kinect kind of redundant in this case, if you had a wheel, wouldnt that be so much better. I cant imagine kinect tracking is better than a G25 when it comes to a driving game, especially sims. It would only take one bit of lag or non responsiveness to ruin your race.

Seems like its just a case of trying to make it work in a genre its not needed. Now if were driving with one hand and throwing green shells with the other than I can see how that might be useful.

And thats what I'm saying, show me one game, one bloody piece of software that not only shows it works but looks like it will be an improvement on current controllers like Move will be with Killzone or Socom. I'm not going to use any motion controllers just for the sake of motion, it has to be better for the game than a D3.

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia1590d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog1590d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry9161590d ago (Edited 1590d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing691590d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming1590d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer791589d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember1589d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog1590d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop1590d ago (Edited 1590d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog1590d ago (Edited 1590d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop1589d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic1589d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop1589d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic1588d ago (Edited 1588d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal1589d ago (Edited 1589d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic1589d ago (Edited 1589d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf101590d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar1590d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf101590d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell1590d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf101589d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv721590d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming1590d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog1590d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming1589d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming1590d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv721767d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister1766d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars2901766d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch1766d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister1766d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma3131766d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister1766d ago (Edited 1766d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch1766d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss1766d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister1766d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat771766d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister1766d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars2901766d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss1766d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars2901766d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin1766d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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