I just will not

i dont like being forced into a format

fu(k this

Because MICrosoft will be leaving 11 million 360 owners in the dust if they create HD-DVD games because they aren't cheap and makeing 11 million buy a HD-DVD drive won't get a good response from the consumers. Also HD-DVD is going to die eventually. No point of putting a dead product inside a system and charging more.

if they do this im going to shoot somebody. I geuss then they can compete with the ps3 in the long term. But what about the rest of the xbox 360 owners...all 9 million of us? What will happen to us? Microsoft u @G(*SHJKSD! Core, Premium, Elite, Ultimum , Halo version WTFFFFFFFF Its just like vista and all its versions. Damn i hate microsoft so much now. My 3rd xbox 360....broken down so many times WTFF IS GOIN ON WIT EM! GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR

Surely not. Sweet 8lb baby Jesus, surely not.

If MS really releases a 360 with built in HD-DVD, the format wars could become WWIII.

Read the thread over at NeoGAF... this was just a joke.

if true, its about time. Been holding off completely on buying another 360. Was thinking of gettin a PS3 just for blu ray...Most of the games on Ps3 aren't my cup of tea and I ditched my old Ps2 for the original xbox cuz their controller was simply too uncomfortable after playing it an hour and xbox had LIVE. But if this is true, HD DVD built into a 360, man im soooo sold on it.

If this happens ms is so fu*kin stupid, it should be a blue ray/hd dvd player, but if they do why theyve release one without hdmi, then they add hdmi, then they add hd dvd wow theyre fu**in stupid, i dont think it will happen if they do though theyre really fu*kin up their strategy. hd dvd is not gonna win n e wayz, either way xbox 360s got the games

And here I thought the PS3 was over engineered...

once a year passes and if this is true, and all the older 360s phase out, make you 360 get the rrod and pray a better version of the 360 comes back.

:P

Anyways, who knows if this is ture, but hey, i am kinda ske[tical about this.

Seriously.... this is L A M E... what's next.... an AIM chat convo?

"Some games need a Hard Disk Drive to be enjoyed the same way some games need a memory unit"

Next Year: Well....You know, games are moving forward and some games need HD-DVD capacity disks to enjoy, it's the industry moving forward.

if they do that their price will be what? say $599

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whats the point? its not like they will start putting games on HDDVD...

As much as I wish, this is likely not true. I would need a better source than a Gamestop employee to believe this.

Still, it makes sense that it will eventually happen.

Microsoft is already going through this price drop and possibly including HDMI in the premium consolef (i think the core too) It would be doing too much to build a whole new 360 that includes the HD DVD or even the Blu-ray drive. Microsoft is trying to say that requiring a Hard drive for GTA IV is "confusing" to consumers so they demand R* to make it work w/ one, but they dont feel having all these 360s with different features is confusing to consumers if this story is tru?

If this does happen (I doubt it will) my guess is the benefit will be for movies only. Games will always have to remain on dvd for obvious reasons.

This would however, with all the other improvements (65nm chips, HDMI), make for a solid console. Now if only they would stick that power brick inside...

doubt this is true. How would gamestop find out bout this now if it coming out next year

If this is true, they're only doing all this stuff now because they realized that Sony really did build a superior console. They're just gonna keep releasing new SKU's with all the stuff they left out at launch. Way to completely f#ck up.

I feel violated by Microsoft, yes sexually.

Its not true MS has said plenty of time that this topic is rubbish.

Merc3nary" keeps posting rubbish on this site out of fanboyism(owning more than one console means nothing just incase you try to use this excuse) or trying to win money.

It's best to ignor Merc3nary post if you're a 360 fan he never post useful news.

On topic: never will happen as i said before MS said this will never happen, this would kill MS in a move like this.

But I am sure if they do it would only be for movies. So games would still be on DVD-9.

It would probably put HDDVD in the lead for the format war. I could see Microsoft doing this if Toshiba pushed them with incentives..$$$$

What happened to the Elite being future proof? This can't possibly be true, if it is a lot of people are going to crap their pants not with joy mind you. Just in case you were wondering, why I stated "again." I believe the "Games with HDD required sticker" is a big rod to the ass for core owners.

I read the entire thread. Where do you get that he's joking around? I mean his responses left some intellect to be desired (didn't even ask for a pre-order?wtf?) but that doesn't mean that some MSstop I mean Gamestop employee didn't say all that garbage.

Man, if this is true....lawd Jesus help us. The format war is about to go into super-hyperdrive behind a feces laced turbine and MS....MS will have a legion of people fighting it the likes that Xerxes faced.

I'm still having a hard time believing this one though. It would be H.U.G.E.

Don't think it will happen, but if it does, I don't think it will hurt MS long-term. Why?

360 games are DVD based, and the HD drive will read them along with the HD movies (unless MS decides to go with HD-based games...very unlikely). So even if the HD format goes belly-up, the system will still play DVD-based games.

To some extent, the same is true of PS3 games: If the BR format dies, then Sony can still use it for games.

I REALLY don't think this will happen, but if it does, then the HD war explodes into all-out competition.

If ones to think in that direction your comment makes the most sense.

I think Agenda driven post or simple anti MS post will never end i hate Sony's fans style why they merged these sites is beyond me. It was better when Sony fans were in their dark cave/forums talking trash with malice and slander where no one had to be around their tactics and hear what they have to say being around in their fictonal reality.

if this is true then this model will be the 6th model for MS (core, premium, premium w/ HDMI input, premium w/ built in HD DVD player, elite, Halo ). Any more models they want to release to make the consumers confuse???

Ms will respond quikly if this gets out of hand debunking it and all the usuual foolish fanatics that jump in every 360 thread to make some moronic post will have proved once again its best to ignor post wher the contributor has Sony fanboy like news post histories and its better to ignor unlikely threads.

because I bought the HD-DVD add on but I hope they make limited edition HD-DVD games.

in the end, it will still be another year maybe two before the format "war" is decided....i think by then there will be players made by some company in CHina that can play both bluray and hddvd from one disc drive at an affordable mass market price.

in other words, maybe no winner or loser

360 titles will come with "Optional HD-DVD Add-on Required" stickers!

What is this, SKU #7?
-Core Original
-Premium Original
-Elite Original
-Core Falcon
-Premium Falcon
-Halo 3 Edition

And it hasn't even been two years. By the time Playstation 4 comes out there'll be 28 different 360 consoles.

Bluray and PS3 FTW!

I really never thought Microsoft would find ANOTHER way to SCREW existing 360 users.

1. Say larger hdd isnt necessary, then release one.
2. Say 1080p is useless this gen, then release it.
3. Say HDMI looks the same as component, then release it to all new consoles.
4. Say HD DVD is useless for games, and are soon going to be releasing an add on for it!!

The first day I got my PS3 I said : THIS IS LIVING

PLAY B3YOND

I don't get it. HD DVD is losing the battle, why are they releasing it now. Mr. Gates u've already lost the format war, do u need even thicker glasses to see.

Bullsh1t. MS has said that they will not support Blu-ray if HD DVD and blu-ray can co-exist, as there will be no reason to migrate to either one.

They have said that is Blu-ray should win the format war, they have no problem with converting to Blu-ray.

this would make sense as time goes by more space is needed for games and storage so would make sense

Why the fuk does anyone ever listen to employees of Gamestop or EB or Best Buy etc. etc. etc. They're not even high level employees, they are just dumbass kids who spout stupid sh1t so they can sound cool. Now if they are talking about street dates for games that's one thing, but I guarantee they have no fuking clue as to the happenings of the industry. To think they do is just stupid.

Microsoft sure loves to shove new and better version up into xbots face especially when their stuck with the tard pack..lol..lets hope the new vesrsion dont crap out on people..

if anything you got the core for the market market which will hit that sweet spot of $199 very soon YEARS before PS3 can, and then it will sell freakin MILLIONS MORE, not everybody has internet connection so hard drive wouldn't be needed, just a memory card

then you got the premium/elite for the rest of us that can afford a little more and want to experience what xbox live offers...

now if this ultimate comes out, it will be for the minority of us that can afford it and believe in HD-DVD.

ALL THREE CAN PLAY THE SAME GAMES AT THE SAME VIDEO OUTPUT. and you can always upgrade as you go along

I dont think this will be a problem as long as they keep all their games on DvD. Because I can care less about Hi def movies.
High Def movies are so over rated.

Edit: Panthers yes to each his own. B/c I have also watched High def movies. Sure the picture and sound is a little better. But at the end of the day it's still over rated. I'll stick with watching Dvd's on my 42 Samsung HDTV. Thats good anuff for me.

Edit 2: And I'm only talking in movies terms. I dont need any other remarks from ignorant fools like mistertwoturbo.

If it's built in, then could they use it to play games also? If so, seeing as it's HD DVD, would games be able to have more put into them, like a gig per level or something?

But seriously if you are supporting Microsoft on their decision to introduce multiple SKUs (how many are we up to? 6? 7? I lost count after HDMI in the premium) You are just to dumb to be reproducing because you'd probably do it all wrong (the reproducing and buying a console to invest in). Xbox 360s are a worthless investment and lose value every year. If you were a core owner at launch, chances are the value of that core is worth (assuming it is still working and not wrecking your game discs and DVD library) $150. A launch core is less valuable than a freaking Wii. I mean the core is now $250 but with HDMI added to a core pack, your launch core is now worth less than a Wii and can barely do much more than what the Wii can do other than watch DVDs. You bought a $300 system that now lost half its value in about 2 years time.

At least the 20 GB PS3 came complete as a system. I didn't have to buy a hard drive, memory, a wireless controller, and a next gen disk format and still get screwed over with a lack of HDMI. It came complete even at a basic package. Unlike that trash you call a "CORE".

all ps3 models have BUILT in BLUE RAY drive

all ps3 models support HDMI 1.3

all ps3 models have FREE ONLINE

2 ps3 models have build in WIFI

no x360 has a next gen DRIVE

x360 charges 50$ for online

x360 has no HDMI 1.3 support (elite supports just 1.2)

no x360 has wifi

CORE OWNERS would have to purchase an HDD to play GTA 4.

without HDMI 1080p at 60fps cannot be displayed at a seek speed of 3g/s

i feel bad for the 8 million x360 owners who are screwed and robbed of a DEAD HD DVD PLAYER

DONT FORGET :- all x360s are defective

all ps3 MODELS have built in HDD

unlike CORE x360 owners who would have to purchase one to play GTA 4

some of these EXCUSES are hilarious.

Sony fanboys love to hate these articles... Bring it on! I would buy one with a built in HD DVD as soon as it does... will it play games better? No... but that would be my 3rd xbox 360! Hey at least is not like computers... that may not run the games you want to play 1 year after you buy it... one thing is for sure... all xbox 360 will be able to play the same games... and you may need to buy a hard drive if you have a core. You see the Sony fanboys going crazy about HDMI and the ability to play Movies? As if it matter as far as the games are concern... SOny fanboys will love for people to believe their ranting... Would they need to be ranting.. and trying to convince people to hate the xbox 360 and love the PS3? Would they be so involved in helping Sony in marketting the PS3 if it would be the obvious choice? Don't listen to them... look at the games... they forgot long ago what gaming is about... and spend more of the time talking about the greatness of the PS3 heardware and how blu-ray is the future and movies are great... while 3rd party games like Madden keep getting better score on the xbox 360 and performing even at better FPS... those are the facts... buy the consoles that have the best games today and not promises... games can be delayed and games can be cancelled... don't be like these Sony fanboys.. Sony gives them a CGI movie of a game (i.e. Kill Zone 2) and they are willing to pay $600 and wait 2 years before being able to play the game. While they way the 2 long years... what do they do? Play games? No... rant and flame every xbox 360 article that's posted on this site. Gamers ehh?

This barely qualifies even as a rumor. Isn't it strange that the only person who knew about this was some GS employee? I'm sure it was a case of not getting the facts right or something.

Seriously, anyone who read the thread on GAF about this with even a small amount of reading comprehension could see that this is not valid news nor even a valid rumor.

The fact that it got posted at gamers-creed and this site is amusing, though not as good as the "rumor" about the Metal gear Solid "Triology" coming to 360 that generated on GAF and fooled IGN.

why do people hate vista.....

its actually a very stable OS far superior to xp

VISTA FTW

Mercernary= contributor who spends his days diggin up any BS rumor or negative story with no creditability whatsoever about the 360.

Then of course you have your obvious haters like nasim, bathyj, lord noob, Anego, Madden and the biggest hater of all DJ who are always negative about the 360, if you read all of their whole posts it could be summed up as= "Im going to whine and beeaatch every single day about how much I hate the 360, I don't care what micro does I can definitely find something wrong with it, hopefully if I keep beeatchin long enough like a lil girl then I might convince somebody not to buy a 360 and buy a poo-ray3."

You sony kids will believe anything, if it was the other way around you guys would be screaming "WTF? this rumor is fake, no proof, just some guy who said he talked to some guy from gamestop, WTF?" even if micro did add HD DVD in a yr, it only threatens blu cause it has no bearing on games at all stop acting like OMG the world will end everytime the 360 you hate so much is changed, its crazy you sony kids talk about stuff like HDMI, new heatsink, 65nm chips and even the Halo console like their total different 360's that somehow cut off part of the fanbase from playing 360 games ha ha but of course you would act that way because you need a reason to continue your hate message for one simple reason= FEAR just like I said before you line-up against micro because of your stupid loyalty, ps2 won the last gen for one simple reason GAME LIBRARY, if the shoe was on the other foot and ps3 had a stronger game library you hypocrits would all be bashing 360 for lack of library, unfortunately this is the very reason why ps3 will ultimately never surpass the 360, micro ease of dev and cheaper cost to produce quality games will always attract dev's= MORE AAA quality game in LESS TIME for LESS MONEY which is why this gen 360 will continue to lead in the category that matters most= GAMES. Sony was not focused on gaming this gen, instead they saw the next gen movie format as the pot of gold and they used ps brand to trojan horse it onto the market the consequence was that they made a capable game machine but one less optimal for gaming compared to micro, if they were true to gaming ps3 would definitely not the same archetecture setup and the they would have had a custom designed GPU to go with the cell perhaps instead of the rsx at the last minute.= Its the truth and this is why you hate and fear the 360 because of you are just lonely sony kids looking for attention, poor sony kids=

JOY

bladestar it's simple - you would buy any MS console that they sold you, even if it was covered in Bill Gates afterbirth, covered with J. Allard's (who, where?) sperm, and policshed with Peter Moore's feces and urine. You boy, are a fkn idiot. That's the sad truth. You keep whistling past the graveyard with that L _ A _ M _ E ass argument about Madden when you know damn well EA was time constrained and bound by money to get the game of Madden out of the door. Sure why are they take time to do the PS3 version "right" when they already have the cookie cutter programs for the 1,000 year old 3fix me? I can't believe you call yourself a person in the "industry", and yet you BLINDLY follow this company into the cauldrons of HELL. I bet your not even in the industry. You just took some courses and read some books and act like you work for Nintendo or someone like dumbass Top Lamer Gamer.

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@tuffname

Now if this gem doesn't tell you how old this pre-pubescent little girl is I don't know what does

-- "its odd how many sony fanboys there are on this site...you would think there would be more 360 fanboys...millions more

it pretty clear a lot of sony boys dont even have a PS3 and are stilll brainwashed" --

Hey, there sparky guess what. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE OUTNUMBERED BY SONY FANS. It's called history and massive, massive sells over time...what? You thought that MS invented VG's with the launch of the XB1? Idiot. Now that's using your noggin'... _@^_^@_

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Whoa --- end of rant ...

damn codeazreal...I don't agree w/ your comment, but I love your avatar! Yeah, you go boy!

This is a very disappointing story. You realize that gamestop employees are as dumb as a rock. Do you really think that Microsoft will release this type of information that would be easily leaked to some zit faced ripoff artist from gamestop???

Say one without Blu-Ray? oh wait without Blu-Ray the PS3 is nothing but a next gen CPU with last gen GPU, gimped memory and a "get what you pay for online service" I wonder how many SKUs Sony will have this gen? they had like what 6 or 7 last gen and three now? the time of updated hardware is here, thats why people laugh at Sonys "10 year console" approach.

I love it when somone allways says "what a way to rip off costumers" I say, hello! welcome to capitalism "stupid" here is your sign. "Oh my GOD! this multinational corporation is out to get my money!" What do I do? I know I will go to a company that does if for free, What you mean they dont exist and the thought of a company that don't take money was a fantasy? So your saying...Nintendo, Sony, MS, Apple, Dell, Coke, Ford and EA do it for the money? OMG!!!

they are bored out of the fu(king mind. they dont any games to play so the prey on these threads and rant all day. they need for more people to buy ps3, so any chance they(the trolls) get will try to hate on 360 and mirco

because every time that I look forward to purchasing one I will hear a rumor of a new model and then the rumors always come true (360 Elite, halo 3 limited edition, price cut, HDMI, falcon chips, etc) and I'm getting tired of this. I only want 1 Xbox 360 and I don't want to feel like a sucker once I buy it and hear that another SKU is in the works in a few months. This is too much. Consumers are getting shafted and it's not fair at all. PS3 only has 2 Models (60GB and 20 GB) when it came to the SKU's specs. The 80 GB is just an extra storage upgrade so it doesn't really count as another redesigned Model. I'm sure Sony will put out another redesign but it will probably be somewhere next year or beyond.

I really hope Microsoft stops the whoring of their system because I will keep on waiting till they decide what the 360 should finally be like. I don't mind if they have a new model every year but more than 3 in one year is too much. Xbox 360 Elite, Halo 3 limited edition(with HDMI), Xbox 360 Premium with HDMI, Xbox 360 Premium with HDMI and Falcon Chipset all in one year is too much.

It would be a bad idea to include HD-DVD next year because that HD format looks to be losing and the internal inclusion would just make no sense since MS doesn't use it as a storage format for their games. I personally think this rumor is just that, a rumor, but the way rumors are coming true in this year alone, I might find it believable down the road.

Bladestar: (*Bends over chair*) Is this the last time J Allard? because I dont think I can take it up there anymore, its really starting to hurt.

J Allard: STFU Boy, you're gonna take this DI(K and you are gonna love it, after that, Peter is gonna get some of it.

Bladestar: (*spreads cheecks*) Ok, I am sorry, i will not say anyhting bad, no matter how much you and peter abd Bill Screw me. You dont even have to use any lube anymore, because I will take anything you give. Thank you sir, may I have some more.

Gamestop ain`t those microsoft would reveal something like that to first.

Does anyone really care about this rumor? HD-DVD is going nowhere. And it's not like the 360 will use HD-DVD for games. So why bother?

i don't need a hd-dvd built in.

if this is true, then this would be a big step forward for Microsoft's 360. saying that, "i don't need a hd-dvd built in," is irrelevant because if its in there, they will use it. it could be like the the 360 2.0
good way to compete with Sony. I'm surprised they did not have it in the elite.

"has been told by his Local Gamestop store that Microsoft will introduced a brand new SKU with a built in HD-DVD next year."

So we all believe shopowners/sellers?

I've heard many wild stories of the people from different shops:

'The PS3 will be discontinued, to give the PS4 some room actually with games and not as a cheap BluRay player'

'PS3 will have no games untill 2012'

'PSN will have XBL functionalities in 2030'

'PS3 will cut the BluRay and get DVD on board to cut cost and have a normal pricing'

I guess it must all be true then, right?

KEYWORD: LOCAL GAMESTOP STORE

The version after that will allow you to go browse online and the version after that has remote play and the version afetr that...is a ps3 (gothcha!!)

Why introduce it 2 years after launch?

How the hell did this become over 170 post over some poster at a game forum get told by ear about this BS.

Needs to be called Bullsh#t for gamers.

This doesnt effect me and my 2 360s (core and premium) been playing amazig next gen games sine last 1 1/5 years. I dint loose as much time in waiting b3yond for any good games. Dont care if they add a refrigerator in the next version, all games would be compatible with my 360s - well with the premium atleast ;)

Edit: To the A$$ole below me. Man you either are brain dead retard or have had lobotomy? You'd think devs will suddenly start making games games for HD only? Even if MS allows HD Drive for gaming you'd think devs would only sell it on HDs? PC games have been coming on cds for years, i have BattleField game which is on single dvd but u can get it on 3 cds as well. So you imbecile try to think first before running of your stupid mouth.

Why even produce an elite 360 if they're coming out with a BETTER version?! What's funny about this, MS has the cash to make all these versions of the 360!

Anyway, I don't believe this for a second...but since we're on the subject, this would only hurt more than it would help were it true.

Anybody think adding these components and changing the internal components even more would help the cost cutting dilemma? Didn't think so. If stuff like this keeps happening, we might see a repeat of the financial situation of the XBox, and it's sad, because from what I understand they were making about $75.00 from each sale recently(until the 1 billion dollar hike for repairs, that is).

Besides all of that, who REALLY thinks that this would be implemented for games...really? Hopefully nobody intelligent, because if it were, it would be a huge disaster. First of all, we'd see an HD-DVD version of the game, and of course a multidisk DVD version, which would be a bear to implement because of the costly launch decision not to include an HDD as standard, so there goes the possibility of installing a game with disc one and running it from the HDD and disc 2.

It's funny, because I remember some people condemning the PS3 to run out of HDD space from constantly installing games...when an act like this could potentially result in exactly that for the other camp.

So, having analyzed all of that, the only benefit this costly and foolish decision would garner is HD movie playback...which is a lost cause by the time it would happen. Mark my words, the PS3 install base will be AT LEAST 7 million by the time the holiday season is over, and by the time KZ2 and MGS drop, I'd be willing to bet on close to 8 by that time. Good luck making a dent with a pair of other consoles as competitors by that point in time.

Anyway, there goes the hypothetical analysis, and I honestly don't think they're foolish enough to do something like this. It would literally offer no benefit to gaming, and if they TRIED to, it would only complicate the situation even further, as we'd have one game shipping on either 1 HD-DVD or several DVDs, MUCH to the chagrin of consumers. I could see a lot of botched Christmas and birthday gifts from picking up the wrong game SKU(imagine that) too, lol.

The company who runs the show seems to me like they don't know if they're coming or going. First they say that HDMI is not important on a next gen console hence speaking of the PS3-- months later guess whos placing HDMI on their console the XBOX360, then they say you know what having an option for the consumer to buy an add on HD movie player is an advantage to the consumer---then this news about them building another XBOX360 with a HD player all in one. Not to mention of course the shoddy engineering WOW they must be on crack. OH WELL JUST KEEP ON BRINGING OUT THE GREAT GAMES.

xbox 360 is just a ps3 "wanna be"

1. With a double sided disk they can give you the game on one disk, and the rest on a normal DVD for those who don't have the HD-DVD player.
2. It is the only thing that can save the HD-DVD format.

MS will pour billions into it to spite Sony. But it can be a case of too little too late. It will add to the confusion, and it can become a case of loosing face in front of the public if they do. The Sony camp will be laughing so loud you will hear it across continents. But they will have to watch it closely - because this is the one thing that can endanger the BR dominance. No matter what the HD-DVD fans try to read into numbers - HD-DVD is losing badly. And without a device that gives them more than just watching videos, it is not going to fly of the shelve. The PS3 gives you games and BR, therefore it will get people into HD videos who would not otherwise. I for example would never move from DVD in the next 5 years. But because I got a PS3, now I am in the market for HD videos. Sony made a brilliant move. Hands up how many PS3 owners was planning on getting a HD video player if it was not part of the PS3? Most probably only 2%. Sony moved that whole population right into the HD movie market. Brilliant. HD-DVD has only a few titles out there, and that is all they can offer the market. If the XB360 had a HD-DVD player - that would mean 10 million potential customers. And during the life of the product (OK OK, 2 weeks until RROD) 30% would buy a HD-DVD movie - and that would have handed them the market on a silver platter.

If they do it now, the copying will be blatant, and no amount of spinning is going to make it look good to anyone - well - except for TheMART.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out... grab the popcorn and drinks..

The bull**** & Rhetoric on this site has just reached it's peak. I get tired or reading 100% Grade-A Bull**** from articles and fangirls. Rumor articles get more press than The Weekly World News. It just crazy how ignorance from the PS3 camp runs this site. Every day is the same old *** about...

PS3 is better!!!
HD-DVD is dead!!!
Killzone is better than Halo!!!
Xbots this and that!!!

I hate to sound like one of you, but maybe I need to talk like a fanboy to communicate to you fangirls. First off, the PS3 is on the road of getting games this year. At least the 360 launch lineup was stronger. Everywhere I go, you talk about Lair, Heavenly Sword, Killzone and MGS4. That's it?!! Are these the only games on $600 "Computer" you want?!!! Super Mario Galaxies will has more copies in people's homes than the PS3 itself. Let me ask you question, if the PS3 is the "better" console than the 360 & Wii, why is it not running the same pace as the Wii?!! The Wii game selection is weak and it still on the heels of the 360 (Hardware being sold wise)!!! Also, you talk about Xbox live we pay for and Home is free. Do you really think Home will be free forever?!!! If you do, you might as well runaway and join the circus. Someone has to pay for maintenance and upkeep of those servers. Mark my words, once the Home service reaches a pretty good numbers of people online using that service, you will pay for it down the road. At least I get what I pay for with my $50.00 for 13 months. Now, let's talk about HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray. If Sony utilized HD-DVD instead, you girls would be screaming "Blu-Ray is dead"!!! Cry and b1tch all you want about sales numbers, it's not over when Universal says "it's over"!!!! I'm sure you girls read that article in here, if you didn't, here it is....

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

Imo, Until the PS3 has at least 7-8 good games, I holding off of getting one. Fact is the 360 has the strongest lineup of all systems this year. I hate even talking like this because I just stepped out of my chacherter. It' really sad how people post BS negative artices and people run with it. That just tells me how gullible you (Sony)fangirls are. I'm glad you finally have Heavenly Sword & Lair this year. It get just a little tired of seeing you girls post the same 5 games on every thread. You can talk about Halo 3 all you want, but 1 million plus pre-orders speaks pretty loud I say.

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

Flame on the 360 all day and all night. But fact is it still selling and still has good games on DVD9 disc. Whoever is new reading this, don't let the rapture of the Sony fangirls disrupt of reading some good news on this site. And to every 360 owner who is tired of seeing pom-pom's flying all the time, I feel your pain. I try my best to stay away from responding to crap like this everyday.

N4G - "Sony Fangirl Ignorance at it's Finest"!!!

Did you read the interview its 100% wrong the guy has no clue what he's talking about. The employee is an idiot...and is talking out of his arse!...You guy ever think how he got this information. No MS did not tell him that bc that dont release that kinda info to the field reps trust me i know i manage a GS!

Blu-ray is STILL being developed with more possibilities in mind, such as 60, 80 and even more than 120gig variations that could possibly be put into play in terms of PS3 games and ofcourse next generation Blu-Ray movies. Playstation still has solid games coming out soon and well..you are forgetting the THOUSANDS of other games from the past generations that can be played as well. With that in mind, while you wait for the gems to show this coming holiday/year you could play awesome games such as Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Xenogears, Final Fantasy, Metalgear Solid and more classics that own.

Backwards compatibility is a big part of what's giving Sony room to breathe and take careful steps not to let their console crash and burn.
They don't have a bottomless well of cash like Microsoft has and it's pretty much been known to the hardcore truth finder or what's really going on that Sony is betting their future on the success of Playstation 3. They have more bite in their push for their system than Microsoft simply because their jobs are at stake.

Sony has done all the right things, even the launch that was an utter fiasco was the right thing to do, whatever they've done.
If they had more consoles, things would have been smoother and if people weren't idiots and bought PS3's just to sell them for thousands more (people were smart to cash in, but idiots not to care about other people in the process) Then Sony's launch would have been more "cushioned"

Sony has discontinued the 20gig model, but that's not really an issue, seeing as more and more people with PS3's are just installing a new, more larger hard drive on their own. I have seriously seen people using compatible HD's with the PS3 that fit snug, with memory over 300gigs. That alone makes the machine more vaulable, along with Linux and people hard at work, trying to crack the system and develope some very nice things with it. Let me tell you, before this machine was around I never cared for Linux, now I got it installed and I am feverishly trying to learn through it.

I'm not dissing on 360, though. 360 is a mean machine and if it does slip last in the console wars it won't do so without a fierce fight.
They have the billions ( Micro.S) to throw at their investment, so only time will tell where this is going.

As for new SKUs, I doubt MS would be foolish enough to include a new HD-DVD drive. I have read statistical reports around the web that point to Blu-Ray is edging it's way in front of HD-DVD. Toshiba is pretty much in a panic, since they are consistently dropping prices on HD-DVD related products that are losing to the more pricey Blu-Ray products but not by much.

I agree with other people, I say false on the built in HD-DVD drive.

the 360 is gonna be 600 dollars now if they do this, and it's still not wireless out the box, and still paying for xbox live

Well, I got one fangirl raising her skirt up to me. And her name is Nuclear Death. Girlfriend, you (nor have I) never even played Halo 3 and Killzone 2. So how can you say that Killzone is better than Halo and both games are not on the market yet?!! But you say one is better that the other.

Reality is a b*tch isn't she?!
Yes, she is...., So why don't you go somewhere and adjust your skirt, girlfriend!!!

for M$ to let game developers decide whether or not if they want to make games on HD-DVD or multidisk. the ppl that disagree are the ones that don't have HD-DVD or a 360 for that matter.

microsoft needs to plan everything from now on before they rush it to the market. i'm seriously pissed off enough for the red ring situation. also they reduced the price the week after i bought my 360. anymore mistakes from microsoft and i will convince the world to switch to another platform. trust me i have the power.

if they havent said it already (didnt read every post)

But Ms is just confirming Sony plan by do this. all there new sku's have just been a lesser ver. of a ps3

1. bigger HDD
2. HDMI
3. HD-DVD

Choices

So what happens next year when MS releases the HDD games?? then the choice to buy the core was a f**kd 1.
Then what happens in 2009/10 When MS releases the "must require HD-DVD drive" games then your choice to buy a premium or elite was a f**kd 1.

I know your saying i wont have to worry about for another year or so but just think how much money will be wasted just to keep up with the tech adv. in gaming.

Final outcome
Good for people who dont have a 360 and want to support HD DVD (if its still alive) next year.

Poor planing for MS

Current 360 fanboys get pawned buy there own god. after all this talk of why BR is not needed MS put one in a 360 proving Sony right saying that it is.

God why do all of you Sony Fan Boys care so much what MS does.
Even if MS does do this I'm not buying it cause I dont need it.
And to those that want it, can either A. Buy the HD DVD Add on or B. Buy this mythological console. And to those people in the future that are looking for a 360. They can sit their and look at all these 360's, set at different prices and say to themselves. What do I need/want?

I'm done explaining this to every fan boy that only likes to run his mouth.
"They say a empty can rattles the most."

First off, this is just a rumor...but...if true...

..Microsoft is just playing Sony's game...

1. How do you feel about the Ps3 20 gb faze out?
2. How do you feel about the $499 price drop soon after your purchase?
3. How do you feel about the 80 gb motorstorm fazing out the model you just purchased?
4. How do you feel about the 80 gb model eventually replacing the 60 gb at the $499 price point?
5. How do you feel about in Spring 08 the PS3 will be $200 cheaper, with maybe another SKU, and certainly a rumble controller, in less than a year/a little over a year than the time you purchased yours? See where I'm going...

Sony has always utilized soft launches for revised consoles...I bought my psp for $299 (Giga Pack) and even then consumers wanted tv output...now they are launching a psp with TV output...Nintendo is even rumored a revised Wii...and we all know the DS Lite story and revised PS2's...how about we play nice...is that cool?

I think one thing should be clarified to those they may not already know this. But ( if ) they do make this console with the HD Dvd player. It will be only good for HD Dvd movies thats it.

Why? To those that are wondering is because MS wont starting making all their games on HD Dvd because there is already 12 million people that own 360's without the HD DVD player.

Do you see my point? MS would lose tons of money if they switched their games to HD DVD, because the majority of the people that own 360's wont be able to play them. You see what I mean?

The only way they could do this, is if they made 2 versions, one DVD version and one HD DVD version for every game that comes out on the 360. Which I highly doubt.

But besides all that ( if ) this 360 is made then anyone who buys it, will have a nice little feature that will allow them to watch HD Dvd movies.

I think that the reason for the Core was to get the 360 in the peoples hands who really could not at the time "afford" the Premium system. Think about it, all 360's (Core, Premium & Elite) are the same. Just add HD, and a VGA Cable (for 1080p) and a wireless controller (if you really care for it) and it works just as well as the Elite. Later on down the road, people should have realized that you'll need a HD. I thought the core at one time was a waste. But Circuit City has sold out the Core online. I guess I was wrong and I'm happy I was.

To Eagle Eye,

I totally agree with you 100%. People need to realize companies have to look at the "long run" when it comes to changes like these. That would be a smart move (if they decide to do this) for HD-DVD to be movies "only" and have a huge price drop on the "stand alone" 360 HD-DVD player. One thing I love about the 360 is people have the "options" of what they want within their console system.

I don't like the fact there are so many choices of game console for each brand. It's too confusing for some people and annoying.

I aim that at Sony and Microsoft. Look at the Wii..one configuration and it's out selling both consoles together.
Sony had the same thing going for them with PS1 and PS2, now look at them..they release this expensive console in two variations and it's just confusing for some people. Like how all the features from the 60gig model aren't in the 20gig model and it has angered some people.

I think if Sony would have adjusted the price from the getgo with an 80 gig model, cut and dry, they'd be even farther in this console war than they are right now.

Guy on top says if they were going to release HD-DVD movies they'd have to release DVD counterparts... that's a good point. I don't think it would happen as it would cause more confusion that could possibly smooth over or just flop? It can be done.

I don't know why they didn't just make the HD-DVD games in the first place.

If I were Sony, I'd lower the price on the 80 gig to what the 60 gig costs and eliminate the 60 gig from the market to rid confusion and make it simple on the consumer.

That in itself is a risk, though.
I mean we can say what we think should be done, but to the big corperations involved in this mess, money's not a plaything.

And failures can cost hundreds of millions.

IMO, if 360 would have had everything Sony had, I don't think PS3 would have had any chance in this.

Sony needs to thank MS for their blunder, lol...

The simple fact is, GameStop employees are not privy to any special info. It was more than likely some kid making stuff up. I work in distribution and know before retailers what future SKUs are hitting shelves. Anyone who's spoken to a GameStop or EB employee knows they're clueless to begin with.

Doubt it.

MS are only backing HDDVD now to prolong the war long enough so DL films can have a shot.

HDDVD will be a dead format within 12months so its unlikey this will happen

Well microsoft just doesnt get it, they are sinking this sinking boat even lower and lower everyday, x360 is one of the biggest jokes in the history of gaming how old are the fanboys that support them 12 years old.