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Do We Still Need Backwards Compatibility?

Adam Guy wrote: "Back in 2006 when we first got our hands on the shiny new Playstation 3 Sony released two models, one premium model and one basic. The basic model missed out on WiFi, it had a smaller hard drive, and it didn’t have a multi card reader like the premium did. But other than that the two models were actually very similar. They both had 4 USB ports compared to the 2 you get on all models now and, crucially, in the US both of the launch versions had PS2 backward compatibility. This means that at the time Sony thought backward compatibly was important enough to even fit on the base model."

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Sidology5735d ago

So, when I click on the link, all I get is a blank page.

CobraKai5735d ago

Really? Try again cuz when I did it, it was fine.

AAACE55735d ago

I've always thought backwards compatibility was a joke! Mainly for people who have a hard time letting go! Games play best on their original console, so just keep the original console if you like the games that much!

I rarely go back to a previous console because by the time the new ones come out, I am pretty bored with all the games from the past.

BattleAxe5735d ago

At first when the PS3 library was lacking it was good to have so I could continue to play Socom: Combined Assault, but now theres no need.

Sidology5735d ago

Yeeeeep. Still nothing.

Army_of_Darkness5735d ago

But used it only once to see if it worked... Anyways, we got some pretty awesome PS3 exclusives eh! :)

ReservoirDog3165735d ago

To tell you the truth, I'm currently replaying MGS3 (see bio). Still really good!

I'm glad I have a 60GB PS3. I respect the classics while enjoying the new wave of stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

Also I'm broke currently so it's nice to have a huge list of games to replay till I can scrape up enough for Kane and Lynch 2 and stuff.

DaReapa5734d ago

Same here. Lately I've been playing MGS3:Sub and Ace Combat 5 (got the urge upon hearing the announcent of the new AC game) on the 60 Gig - even though I still own a PS2 phatty.

0mega45734d ago

ive got the old ps2 if i want to play some classics.

but hey if they ever updated it with bc i wouldnt argue

commodore645734d ago (Edited 5734d ago )

Well, I have a ps3 slim, so no ps2 backwards compatibility for me.
:(

It is kind of disappointing, as Sony did promise ps2 b/c for all of its users back when the ps3 launched.
http://www.videogamesblogge...

AS for the people who say they don't need b/c, nor want it, I beg to differ. We DO need it.
Psychonauts, for example, is a fabulous game that I would love to play on the ps3 via b/c.
Funnily enough, I can play Psychonauts on the 360 via b/c.

It can only do everything?

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Gray-Fox5735d ago

TBH.... (In regards to PS3 B/C) I bought my PS3 to play PS3 games and not PS2 games. If it costs less for no B/C I'll take that route.

Genesis55735d ago (Edited 5735d ago )

I have a 60 gig launch and I rarely play PS2 games on it. I have to many of this gens games to play. I still pop in a PS2 game once in a while on my old CRT TV that I have a PS2 hooked up to. At the time of launch of the PS3 it was more important than it is now.

gtamike5735d ago (Edited 5735d ago )

Well I have upgraded 60GB ver to 320GB :)
Also still got my PS2 console.

UnSelf5735d ago

NEED? no

it'll be nice to have though

mastiffchild5735d ago

Meh. You wouldn't use it and you're still better off using your PS2 on a CRT than stretching it on a 60gig PS3 anyway. I genuinely haven't used my PS3 to play a PS2 game since I played a bit of Persona4 on it however long ago that was released!

At first I played the odd bit of SoTC now and then but, seriously, when they were looking for things to cut to bring the price down BC was one of the least used features-what were they meant to do? People buy a PS3 to play PS3 games and the same for the 360-how many of us EVER play an Xbox game on it these days? Since Halo2 servers went dead I suspect virtually no one just the same as with those of us owning a BC PS3.
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The other side of it is if you want to play PS2 games buy a sodding PS2. i got a used slim the other week when my camping console died for twenty sheets with about twenty games and a few other bits and bobs thrown in ffs. Also, there's too many current gen games to play at home so the ONLY time I play PS2 games is at a festival or when I've gone camping and taken the PS2 with me.

So, need? Definitely not. would it be nice? I guess it MIGHT but you wouldn't use it enough to merit it returning. the time we will NEED the return of that amazing library should come when PSP2 finally arrives too-it's a massive possible weapon for Sony to use in the portable arena and I fully expect a PSN full of discount downloadable PS2 titles when their next handheld is launched. Portable that library is still AMAZING but on PS3? Not so much with the console itself now in full swing. i'm genuinely amazed we still have this bloody discussion these days.

UnSelf5735d ago

doesnt really affect me personally. i have a 60 gig

Mahr5734d ago

"The other side of it is if you want to play PS2 games buy a sodding PS2"

This would be a valid line of argument if the *entire focus* of the system were not consolidating living-room entertainmnet features into one convenient monolithic entity.

People saying things like 'I don't want to play PS2' games are really missing the point, as individual preferences are neither here nor there when it comes to whether or not the market regards PS2 functionality as an important factor. The fact of the matter is that literally every Nielsen press release for usage has featured the PS2 in the number one or two spot. More than the Wii, more than the PS3, PS2 games get *the* most play time in the industry next to the 360.

http://gamerant.com/nielsen...

You cannot simply write that off as 'I don't personally care about that, it is not worth caring about, stop whining'.

And incidentally, if you have to resort to 'If you want feature X, buy another product', then you are going against Sony's own marketing strategy. 'It only does everything', remember?

What next, 'You don't NEED to watch Bluray if you want one buy a sodding Bluray player'?

XactGamer5735d ago (Edited 5735d ago )

The only people who don't like backwards compatibility are the people who can't get it. The Wii has it in a way, the Xbox has it, and the PC will always have it and the early PS3's have it. Watch the only people here that will complain about it are PS3 owners who were unfortunate enough to get models that don't support BC. Seriously read up and down this thread it's so obvious it's like a slap of reality to the face.

I enjoy classic games and I have a launch PS3 and still enjoy the old games.

Proxy5735d ago

Hackers have achieved what Sony hasn't been able to, some good PS2 emulators for PC.* Sony designed the PS2 and PS3, you'd think they'd be able to figure out emulation of their own hardware better than a bunch of hackers.

It's got to be one of 3:
1) Sony really can't design a software emulator.
2) Teh power of teh cell isn't enough for PS2 emulation.
3) Sony wants to deliberately hold back features in hope of make more money.

* - Granted the PS2 emulators on PC do have their flaws, but most games are playable and can be finished. Again, compare to Sony's non-existent software emulation.

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CobraKai5735d ago

I'd rather have those awesome HD rereleases than Backwards Compatiblity. And yes I do have a BC PS3

boodybandit5735d ago

I have a BC PS3 as well and the only game I ever used it for was God of War 2.

Rumor5735d ago

i would go through 5 more playthroughs of kingdom hearts 2 with a b/c ps3.

ever beat the whole story with just a kingdom key?? me niether, but its a freaking task i will complete!!

Theonik5735d ago

If only the PS3's emulation were decent there would be no need for them.

NarooN5734d ago

The problem with that is

1) Waiting for devs to actually develop the remakes
2) No guarantee whatsoever that the games you like will be remastered
3) With BC or PC emulation, I can play any game I want right away

PS2 had no problem with PS1 emulation. The only reason PS2 Hardware-based emu was removed was to cut costs, and that was two years ago, and they've only JUST RECENTLY started making a profit off the PS3.

Godmars2905735d ago

Yes. For the old, 3rd party titles that have little to no chance of seeing a collected edition, at the very least it would be something nice if only so some could retire their PS2s.

Optical_Matrix5735d ago

Nope. I have a perfectly healthy EU PS2 and a perfectly healthy Japanese PS2. Don't need B/C.

Chris3995735d ago

as there was a dearth of JRPGs till about 2008 on the system and I still had my PS2 backlog to play through.

Funny thing is, I stopped playing PS2 titles anyhow and branched out to try different genres. When the Slim was re;eased, I traded in my 60 gig and haven't looked back since. I do like this trend of re-mastering old PS2 titles though.

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_12d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle11d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit11d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog12d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog11d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad12d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_12d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage12d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda11d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Sony Shows Off 20 Minutes of Crimson Desert on a Base PS5

Sony uploaded gameplay footage of Crimson Desert on a base PS5 running in what appears to be Quality Mode at a stable 30fps at 4K.

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BlazedKong37d ago

looks god awful on the base systems

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PS5 Sales Pass 92.2 Million Units, Beating Nintendo Switch 2 in the Holiday Quarter

Sony announced its financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2025, alongside the traditional update on PS5 shipments.

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italiangamer80d ago

Sony and Nintendo are both thriving and I'm happy, thank goodness for them or otherwise the whole gaming industry would be in shambles if they only had PC to rely on!

dveio80d ago

• Total G&NS revenue: 10.5 billion USD
• Operating profit: 900 million USD
• Hardware sales: 8M units shipped
• Software sales: 97M units
• PSN MAU: 132M

vs. Xbox:

• Total gaming revenue: 5.96 billion USD
• nothing else gets reported

__y2jb80d ago

Xbox operating costs are without a doubt eye wateringly high, way way way higher than Sony. GP is costing them an absolute fortune to operate.

Tapani79d ago

That is a very solid operating profit. It's not net, obviously, but still a very healthy amount of cash you make after cost of debt and taxes (+ other expenses), and can invest into R&D and future endeavours. And give back to your shareholders or buy back shares.

DivineHand12580d ago

It would be in Sony's beat interest to not rush next generation. Let 2029 or 2030 be the start of next generation. There is clearly plenty of demand for the PS5 and gamers are not asking for more at this time.

S2Killinit80d ago

Yup especially with the price of tech going up. They already have the PRO to hold them over.

__y2jb80d ago (Edited 80d ago )

Exactly this. Let Xbox wither on the vine for a couple more years and there will be nothing left.

fr0sty80d ago

I fully agree for 2 reasons:

1. Microsoft seems to be in a hurry to release the new Xbox, if they do at all... AMD speculates a 2027 release. This will hurt them in the long run, because:

2. Datacenters are buying up ALL the RAM, and some RAM manufacturers have stopped making RAM for consumer products entirely, while the other remaining ones are scared to ramp up their production capacity to make more RAM because they're worried this whole AI thing is a bubble that is about to pop, and they don't want to be caught holding the bag when it does pop. So, for now, it costs $300-400 for 32GB of DDR5. That's the MSRP for some entire consoles.

If Microsoft drops the new Xbox now, it's going to cost them a fortune. If Sony holds their cards a moment and lets PS5 cook for a while, as it's showing no signs whatsoever of slowing down in sales, then by the time PS6 is ready to drop, RAM prices should have stabilized, allowing Sony to devote much more of their budget towards making PS6's CPU and GPU more powerful, in addition to the tech itself maturing and the available CPU and GPU parts being much more powerful for the same price point than they would be if released today. So, we'd get a super powerful PS6 in say, 2029, that won't have to cost $700-800. They speculate, based on the current specs, that the new Xbox will cost north of $1,000, and that was before the RAM shortage came into the picture. It's definitely going to be even higher now that RAM costs so much.

MS will be shooting themselves in the foot (again) if they try to drop a new Xbox now, and Sony would be wise to capitalize on that mistake by holding their cards a while longer, raking in more of those PS5 profits, and then dropping a new console as soon as the hardware market stabilizes from this AI datacenter BS.

darthv7279d ago

7 years is a hurry...? Its the same amount of time between XBO and series. The same amount of time between PS3 to PS4 and PS4 to PS5. The 360 was 8 years between it and XBO.

If they do release first, and then Sony a year or two later... is it not possible for prices to come down in that time?

repsahj80d ago (Edited 80d ago )

I think Switch 2 beat PS5 during December 2025 that is why the gap decrease to 1m units. Because during black friday, I know PS5 sales is 2:1 against the Switch 2.

And I just want to add that the PlayStation 5 is currently 1.94 million units BEHIND the PlayStation 4 when you align launches. While Switch 2 is 10M ahead against the Switch 1 when you aligned covering it's first 7 months.

S2Killinit80d ago

I think you are forgetting to mention the chip shortages for PS5.

salis84480d ago (Edited 80d ago )

No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly.

PS5 being less than 2m behind PS4 is not a big deal; PS5 had to deal with COVID and ongoing supply and pricing struggles that clearly still exist today. Sales of software are incredibly strong, and the size of the community is bigger than its ever been.

PS5 is well on pace to exceed its early (2021) estimates of 110m by end of life even if that's 2027. PS5 will hit 100m before November and then sell another 6-8M in November + December.

PS5 is doing great, and so is Switch 2, it's good for everyone that they succeed, pitting the two against each other is more damaging than anything related to the sales of the two consoles individually.

repsahj80d ago

"No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly."

majority on this site tells otherwise.

Dexterio80d ago

@repsahj
Yup because they’ve been the anti consumer they are for so long and needs to be humbled 😆

CrashMania80d ago (Edited 80d ago )

I'd be lying if I said I didn't regret my purchase a bit. I mainly bought it for Mario Kart World, but I find it pales in comparison to 8. I'm annoyed that Nintendo charged money for a super barebones 'upgrade' to Jamboree, no new minigames? No new boards? Just some gimmicky low res camera mode. Oh and Midtroid Prime 4 let me down as well, yet to go back and finish it.

I don't want the Switch 2 to fail, it's contributing to a healthier console market with the death of xbox consoles. I'll get use out of mine long term, but some of Nintendo's decisions like the ones above just annoy me lol.

jznrpg79d ago

@respahj the only thing I want Nintendo to badly is the 80$ games so they lower the price.

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