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Heavenly Sword 2: 'Never Say Never'

NowGamer reports, Ninja Theory co-founder Tameem Antoniades reveals that the studio wanted to do a Heavenly Sword Sequel but chose not to after the game sold poorly. The creative director reveals that a sequel is still a possibility.

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RememberThe3575765d ago (Edited 5765d ago )

Whats the James bond movie called? The one with Sean Connery after he said he'd never do an other James Bond movie again? Oh, thats right, "Never Say Never Again."

If Enslaved doesn't do great numbers, which I don't think it will since it looks like a niche title, they will probably pitch a sequel to Sony. If they haven't already.

fastrez5765d ago

I also feel a bit uneasy about Enslaved, it looks nice, but hack n slash style games live or die by their combat mechanics. Bayonetta confidently does the genre best and Enslaved doesn't look a patch on it.

nix5765d ago

Dear NT,

Think like Guerrilla, Naughty Dog. Killzone 2 was nearly shoved under the carpet. Media killed Uncharted 1. But look how they bounced back and made sequels that blew everyone's socks.

Today nobody can dispute KZ3's graphics. Today, no one can ignore UC2. Heavenly Sword was a great game for its time. I loved it. It may have been short but no one can dispute the quality that game had. So, dear NT bring back Heavenly Sword franchise back because it really deserves a recognition.

Heavenly Sword will only get it's recognition when Heavenly Sword 2 comes out.

Regards,
Nix.

sikbeta5765d ago

Forget about Ninja theory, I'll love to see Santa Monica doing the Sequel with the Amazing GOWIII engine, that will be EPIC...

Honestly, Sony owns the IP, why they'd need ninja theory when their Devs know best...

raztad5765d ago

Yeah, As sikbeta said forget NT. Their relationship with Sony didnt work well, their game didnt sell as good as they wanted ("only" 1.5 m). NT has been busy in multiplatform projects so their HS engine is absolutely outdated. IMO it is more than likely Sony is not wasting a HS sequel with them.

If HS2 comes out I hardly can see NT involved.

knight6265765d ago

dont believe game designers/developers they are always lying because they dont want to spoiled it for u but sometimes they do lie like CLiffy saying Gears 2 will push the limits of the xbox but he said the same with Gears 3 hmm sounds fishy right? o well

princejb1345765d ago

all it means is gears 3 is gonna look the same as gears 2 lol
joking guys
watch me a get a bunch of disagrees

xavier-tooth5765d ago

afraid not.

joking or not, you speak the truth. only butthurt 360 diehards will disagree with you.

however i will disagree with you for saying you are only joking.

Bobbykotickrulesz5765d ago

I think he's joking about joking, so all is well.

Vermillion5765d ago (Edited 5765d ago )

Epic updates their engine every month. You can see the whole changelog here http://www.udk.com/news . They added god rays, improved bloom effect and many more.

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skyward5765d ago

But it'll be a different matter to develop a new exclusive on par with GoWIII, Uncharted 2 etc

rekof5765d ago

It was not a bad game,.. little short ,.. but damn I had a great time,..

fastrez5765d ago

Agreed. It shows massive potential. Now Ninja Theory can take the first game and build on its strengths.

Chubear5765d ago

You know, I keep hearing this "it's a little short" thing over and over again but no one says this about Alan Wake which was the same length. Gosh, the gaming media weild way too much power. All they have to do is say anything enough times and it sticks to gamers brains for life.

Too much power I'd say :(

AKS5765d ago

People who choose not to think for themselves and just repeat whatever the media says are the ones who give them this power.

Personally, I think the entire argument that duration equals quality is absolutely ridiculous. I certainly wouldn't judge a book or a movie by how long it is. QUALITY is everything to me.

hi25765d ago

usage in hs1 , turned the option off ,loved it

Mr_Bun5765d ago

I actually thought HS was one of the few games that implemented the sixaxis properly

hi25765d ago

much more fun for me without sixaxis which i don't like in any game at all

Myth5765d ago

It's one of things that made this game stand out. They did a great job with it. Because of that you will never get the same experience playing any other game that you would with HS. It's a great mixture of regular controls and sixaxis.

Alos885765d ago

Unlikely, given how it would probably still be a PS3 exclusive and the last one didn't sell.

Alos885765d ago (Edited 5765d ago )

Before people start giving me grief, I meant that they are now working only on multiplatform games and therefore a exclusive sequel would be counter productive in their eyes.

RememberThe3575765d ago

I don't see this game selling even Heavenly Sword numbers. I'm really excited for it, and I hope it does great, but I just don't think it will.

1. Namco has not done a good job of selling their games. 2. It just looks like something that not many gamers now day are going to go for. Here's to hoping I'm wrong though.

I think that Heavenly Sword 2 would do well.

Game-ur5765d ago

Why do people buy the bull$!%t "bad sales" story, HS sales total more than 1.5m, and it was released in the first year of the PS3, this while scoring 7s in reviews and the fact it’s a short game.

Now compare that with recent multiplatform hack and slash games:

Dante's Inferno 1.1m (360, PS3)
Darksiders 1.3m (360,PS3)

So it actually oversold if you look at it seriously.

DigitalRaptor5765d ago (Edited 5765d ago )

From what I heard, they didn't get enough sales to break even.

Game-ur5765d ago

HS is owned by Sony who funded game development, maybe they didn't get their bonus, but they did get paid.

NT are lying, plain and simple.

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Heavenly Sword 2 – A Look Back at The Sequel That Never Happened

Newly uncovered concept art images gives us a fresh look at Ninja Theory's canceled PlayStation exclusive, Heavenly Sword 2.

Lexreborn2411d ago

Imagine renewing Nariko by her being reborn into a land devastated by a wayward God. Mourning the loss of his son to a world he redevoted himself too. And Nariko is navigating the warped land finding herself with a new energy fueling her to save the people from this wrathful god. Only to find out that the god is no other the Kratos the Divine killer

Michiel1989410d ago

Sony was like, if no one's gonna make a GoW killer, well do it our fucking selves

Lexreborn2410d ago

Honestly I would love to just see Nariko a character that can traverse the multiverse of Sony IPs and explore alternative story lines that are contrary to the stories ending.

Heck to see Nariko in GoW universe then after the events of correcting that alternate reality. It places her in uncharted universe or syphon filter.

Create a purpose for the character that also gives praise to older franchises and let us relive them in unique new ways.

Athlon101411d ago

I was wondering how a sequel was possible with the way the first one ended. I definitely would love another game in the series, especially now that I know Sony owns the IP. I initially thought it was Ninja Theory who owned it. It really demonstrated the graphical power of the PS3 at the time. Some of the boss battles were epic, especially the final one!

-Foxtrot411d ago

They should have done a sequel, Anna Torv was great in it.

They could have easily revived her somehow.

Dandalandan117411d ago

They should've remastered Heavenly Sword
The game was gorgeous at the time of release but I remember the frame rate being awful on certain scenes

1nsomniac410d ago

This is a remaster that I could get behind. At least it deserves it.

Inverno410d ago

Instead they made a half arsed movie years later. PS360 era has waaaay too many games left behind on it. Honestly it's like every generation prior to the PS4/Xbone gen is like an alternate reality of gaming. You can pinpoint the moment gaming shifted to a more mainstream focus.

ZwVw410d ago

That movie blew chunks. The animation looked like it was done in Daz studio and the entire pacing of the film felt like that of those cutscene vg movies that you seen on yt.

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Empowering Creators and Players With Muse, a Generative AI Model for Gameplay

"Introducing Muse, a new kind of generative AI model that lets you play and create. From developer ideation to one day supporting game preservation, Muse holds potential to unlock new possibilities." so says Microsoft

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Abriael457d ago

Absolutely slimy to use game preservation as a thinly-veiled excuse to continue peddling generative AI garbage. 😡

Eonjay456d ago (Edited 456d ago )

MUSE
Massive Unmitigated Suspension for Employees.

Lets get this straight. When they say its to asisst creators, they mean assist executive managment. Tell me this, if companies stop paying real people to do real work, who is going to be able to buy anyone else's AI generated products in the first place?

Abriael456d ago

You're definitely preaching to the choir. If you read my own version of the news (it's in the alt sources), it's one of the few times I took the fuc*ing gloves on. I was pissed all day after reading this crap.

Jingsing457d ago (Edited 457d ago )

Microsoft's latest push into mediocrity and billions wasted. I do wonder if Microsoft will eventually meet the same fate as Intel.

staticall457d ago

They need to replace Xbox execs with generative AI. It'll do less damage than Phil and the gang for sure

> a first of its kind generative AI model trained on Ninja Theory’s multiplayer battle arena game, Bleeding Edge
Yikes
This is a "Coming soon" from their gaming copilot thingy they're so proud of https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Dunno, feels and looks awful to me

And they didn't explain how they're planning to preserve older games, just some world salad
> To imagine that beloved games lost to time and hardware advancement could one day be played on any screen with Xbox is an exciting possibility for us
This doesn't explain anything. How can they run the older games without hardware it's tied to? Magic?

Whole article actually feels like a world salad galore. Did they use AI to write this?

P. S.: Calling it «Muse» is disgusting.

jznrpg450d ago (Edited 450d ago )

At Xbox we shit on our employees and our customers. Now who is going to buy this nearly no effort game?

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Unfortunately, Ninja Theory Isn't Actually Safe From Microsoft

Ninja Theory might have games in the pipeline, but that doesn't mean Xbox won't close it for no reason

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rlow1731d ago

Alot of speculation on their part. Ninja Theory has two games that have been green lighted and are in the works. Yes it’s always a possibility they could be closed but no matter how you feel about the Senua games. They do make a quality game. I personally think MS is going lay low for a bit, after the firestorm they experienced last week.

darthv72731d ago

I really hope one of them is a long awaited sequel of heavenly sword or enslaved. Both are good games that deserve a 2nd chance... or at least a reboot.

blackblades731d ago

I'm 100% doubt its heavenly sword for obvious reason and Enslave 99% doubt it.

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Rynxie731d ago

Santa Monica is a great studio, but I would rather the minds behind the original make it (ninja theory). I never liked sequels that were done by someone else, they are usually never as good as the original.

rlow1731d ago

Enslaved would be awesome. If they did a remaster, then the next game in the series…..one can hope.

Yui_Suzumiya730d ago

Hopefully they'd get Evan Wells back for a sequel to Enslaved. After the original Enslaved he went on to Naughty Dog and did The Last of Us.

neutralgamer1992730d ago

darth

HS IP is owned by sony and enslaved sold so poorly that you want a sequel now? let's say a sequel is made and sells like the first than this studio is for sure shut down. Their next game needs to be a big hit(if there is a next game)

rlow1

that's not how business works, if a studio needs to go it will go whether ot not that will come with negative PR. They just spent 100 billion and now they are in the phase to find out which studios will survive and which needs to go to cut costs. NT let a huge opportunity slip away, they had the backing of MS and the sequel has even less gameplay, that makes zero sense

Chevalier730d ago

How?! Sony owns one IP and Bandai owns the other one

Plague-Doctor27730d ago

Heavenly Sword IP is owned by Sony and Enslaved IP is owned by Namco Bandai

Hellblade was the only IP that Ninja Theory themselves owned when MS acquired them

Sonic1881730d ago

Heavenly Sword or Enslaved didn't sell that well

Cacabunga730d ago

NT completely lost it since dmc, their
last good game to date! And has been a long time since.
An average studio at best, got lured by MS money and forgot to improve

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Rynxie731d ago

They make quality games, but they're usually hit or miss. Either they are average, or they are awesome. However, besides heavenly sword and DMC, they aren't big sellers either. Ms is as big of a corporation as it gets. If ninja theory isn't making them money, they will shut them down. Simple as that.

MrDead731d ago

Studio survival no matter who is reliant on MS's quarterly reports, if MS is looking to save money then studios like Ninja Theory are gone as we've seen with Tango and others. MS has their IP's, the devs mean nothing to them but a handy tool to balance the books with layoffs.

DarXyde731d ago

Eh, maybe. Microsoft seems like a phenomenally wealthy company that's (generally) wise with how they handle their finances. What they're not wise with is how they spend social capital. As soon as they get it, they spend it by doing something nefarious. Can't say they're the only ones of course.

Will they get rid of Ninja Theory? No earthly idea. Honestly, I have a hard time even speculating about it because we don't have any details on performance metrics. If I had to guess... And really, this is is a guess... It's just about engagement. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. If you've got a popular mobile game or MTX-heavy multiplayer game, you're safe. King and Activision aren't going anywhere. Even if player count tapers off, MTX keep them in the game as a form of engagement.

But then you've got single player games. I suspect that's a losing battle because single player games, unfortunately don't get long term engagement broadly. So games launching half baked is perhaps a strategy for the studios themselves to get people coming back to their games? It would make some sense, but it doesn't match with studios being surprised at the closures.

All of this to say, we'll just have to wait and see. The simplest explanation with the most streamlined thinking on the matter is just that they're getting rid of studios they see as dead weight in the long run. HFR was quite well received, but I guess it doesn't translate into happy investors because it's critical acclaim and not commercial success exactly. Bethesda isn't going anywhere. Making very long RPGs kind of saves you automatically in terms of engagement.

But on the other side of this, while studios don't close per se, nothing stops them or any other company from just cutting the work force within each studio.

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Einhander1972731d ago

It's not for no reason.

The reason is they made two games that were underwhelming (Bleeding Edge) and didn't/aren't going to grow the user base for game pass.

They spent 5-7 years and this was what they produced, it's easy to see how they would be on the short list for termination at this point.

Sciurus_vulgaris731d ago

One thing to point out was that all the recently closed studios were under Bethesda. Before being purchased by MS, Bethesda had a slew of poor or under performing titles (Evil Within 2, Prey (2017), Wolfenstein: The New Colossus, Young Blood, and initially Fallout 76 ). I don’t think, Ghost Wire Tokyo, Deathloop, Redfall and sadly even High-Fi: Rush performed well after the buyout.

Einhander1972731d ago (Edited 731d ago )

I bet this game with a 5-7 year dev cycle being launched directly onto game pass is going to generate less tangible cash profit than any of those games.

I'm sure Microsoft will brag about players or sword swings or some other pointless statistic, but those don't make cash money.

Chevalier730d ago

You do realize it took 3 platforms and like 2 years to sell 1 million for Hellblade 1 right? Added in 3 more platforms and it didn't move much.

Now cut our 4 platforms. How many copies do you think this will sell?! Not just played on Gamepass

Lightning77731d ago (Edited 731d ago )

Apparently Ninja Theory is safe From being closed down https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

Already working on a new game. They are a 80 person team and relatively inexpensive I suppose to any other publisher

Buuuuut.

Yeaah sorry this is MS, I don't believe anything MS says. They have to be joking if they think anyone will believe them besides gullible Xbox fanboys. Once again MS needs to earn my trust back. Just when they earn some trust back, they always seem to destroy it and have to work to get it back. I still think they're getting shut down and canceling whatever game they're making because the game won't sell, again MS fault for not advertising it.. This company man...

FPSRUSSIA731d ago

the article talks about that to i recommend checking it out when you get a chance.

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outsider1624731d ago

The problem with this game probably not selling will be because of Gamepass. Every comment i see from xbox players are "dude, no need to buy this amazing game, just get it on gamepass"

Will it sell well based on word of mouth? Will they release it on ps5? Will ps players buy this game vs free on gamepass? Time will tell.

JBlaze226731d ago

Look at what happened to Hi Fi Rush.The game was sold on PS5 and didn't sell well.

JBlaze226731d ago

I mean Sony has done worst and no one speaks up about it.

outsider1624730d ago (Edited 730d ago )

Well i dont know about hi fi rush..as i didnt buy it. I mean others are getting it on gamepass..so ill just wait it for psplus. Im guessing others are doing the same..soo..

Sure Sony has done it too..and people are vocal about it. Look at the helldivers fiasco for example..they got called out.

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Knightofelemia731d ago

I don't see Microsoft shutting off the lights to Ninja Theory. As a studio they actually have talent and have released some decent games. I love Enslaved maybe a sleeper hit but it's one of my favorites. Only way I see Microsoft shutting off the lights is if Ninja Theory releases games that sink faster then a lead weight. And there are fans of Ninja Theory one thing I would hate to see is Ninja Theory ending up like Bioware. Loosing all their talent and being a former shell of what they use to be.

Elda731d ago

Never say never. Tango Gameswork were just as talented as Ninja Theory & they were shut down.

darthv72730d ago

And they were also under Bethesda... Ninja Theory is not.

Profchaos730d ago

I honestly blame starfeild and Microsoft for the closure of arkane and tango it didn't turn a profit like other huge Bethesda games. If it .are fallout 4 money Bethesda would have had the capital to share among the other studios. Microsoft should of also had the ability to step in and save the studio but decided to kill them instead likely because of Bethesda's financial failure with starfield and Microsoft's stupid goal of turning gaming into a subscription that everyone and their grandmas subscribe to

shaenoide731d ago

To be honest for Microsoft (not Microsoft gaming) it's all about making for the 70 billion purchase of AKB. No matter how good the games are. If they don't generate sales or new gamepass subs the studios can be shutted down.

Rynxie731d ago (Edited 731d ago )

Yes, they make decent games, but do they sell? Unfortunately, no. Heavenly sword sold 1.5 million, even when the ps3 had a much lower install base than the 360. However, it's not a ninja theory ip. Enslaved sold poorly. DMC, sold well, but that's also not a ninja theory ip. Hellblade was a hit, but in my opinion, barely. Hellblade 2, unfortunately, might be a flop. There's no bigger corporation than Ms, they are as corporate as they come. If ninja theory isn't making them money, they will get shut down and their ips giving to another studio.

Elda731d ago

It was just announced that MS gave NT the greenlight for its next game. I just hope it's not another Hellblade. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/...

shaenoide731d ago

Tango was working on a new game.

jznrpg730d ago

Xbox - Green light
MS - Red light

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