I guess you're too young to remember a little camera called eye toy and a game called kinetic.Anyways I'll just sit this one,wait and see if the games merit a purchase of ether kinect or move.judge me or not its just my point of view

No Omega4 - I already have EyeToy and PS Eye. I really would not like Sony to make the same thing and then as $130 for it. EyeToy and PS Eye is fun. Kinect games seems to be copies of EyeToy games - with a couple of really lame games added in when MS ran out of things to copy from EyeToy.

Tell me which game on Kinect is so cool that we have not seen in EyeToy / PS Eye before.

But I have to agree with your last comment. Move is not critised - or at least does not get negative criticism. Kinect is - and very negative at that - from all including XB fans. And the reason is very apparent. They created / used / bought some cool tech - but it was a very ill-advised move - because as far is gaming is concerned - they just managed to make a PS Eye and asks $130 for it. Which kind of explains why the get all this negative sentiment.

People don't care about tech. They care about what tech enables. If after watching that video you don't see the point it's old with even games that were on the PS2 then there isn't much else to say. The video I linked wasn't about the tech it was about the end result to the user. So either you didn't watch it and get that point or you intentionally missed it to make it about half the issue. The ones in the written portion only.

But if you want to talk about tech then you do realize the Eye has a 4 channel microphone array with each channel supporting 16-bit sampling up to 48Khz. Is that old or new compared to Kinect? How about the 30fps vs 120fps capability of the Eye? Is Kinect new or old tech? You do realize fps are somewhat important in the quality of motion capture right? Or the voice location tracking, echo cancellation, and background noise suppression, the nose, ear, glasses, smile, gender and age recognition and head tracking - including 3D. Voice recognition in 20 languages. Is Kinect old or new tech in comparison? Especially since it hasn't even hit the actual market yet.

Fortunate for your position Sony intentionally masked out the IR capabilities of the Eye and it requires taking it apart to enable it. But the TECH is in there. But just like the video if it's not being used then it doesn't matter. Looks like they goofed on that one. $30 Eye. $150 Kinect. Why so much for something so similar in execution? If the tech is so "new" wouldn't you expect to see a huge gap from the really old Eyetoy tech? I mean the Eyetoy and the Eye have been out for years now.

You see there are just as many features already delivered to the market by the Eye years ago as there is new tech in Kinect. So if you want to say there is SOME new tech in Kinect and SOME old tech then I have no problem with that. But so far there is little evidence that the new tech portion delivers a new xp worth 4-5x the cost of the Eye.

80%? Now your just making shit up. It has the same issue as Kinect. If multiple people say the "keyword(s)" then it can get confused. Exactly the same way Kinect will get confused if your giving it commands and someone else says I love my Xbox, F-off you Sony fanboy. The difference is you still need to say Xbox before every command with Kinect and Singstar you don't. Not sure how that's an advancement for $150.

"If you can see the difference between Move and the Wiimote, then why the hell can't you see the difference between Kinect that eyetoy?"

But Move is actually the Move controller PLUS the Eye (Kinect). The more appropriate question is why can't you see how ridiculous your statement is? How it fails at basic logic. You even said it yourself about the Move being a hybrid of those two technologies trying to make the point about old technologies.

Let me put it another way. Wii has a keyboard. Kinect has a mouse. Move has both the interface methods. How is Move equivalent to the Wii in any realm of logic? It's easy to see the equivalence between the Kinect and Eye. Both are just the mouse portion and largely restrict you to party and mini games if they are the main interface.

Just like in the video.

Wii has a keyboard that works well, Kinect has a Mouse that works well, Move has a mouse and keyboard that only works half as good so they have to work together to be with anyone's time.

A Jack of all traits Master of non so to speak.

See how easy it is to be a douche.

So STFU nobody like a frickin' Mr. (Think's he)Know-it-all.

@^^^

"Wii has a keyboard that works well, Kinect has a Mouse that works well, Move has a mouse and keyboard that only works half as good so they have to work together to be with anyone's time. "

What? LOL.

You got to be kidding me. PS MOVE >>> WiiMotion+. There is no arguing about it. So far Kinect has not shown anything beyond traditional stuff already done years ago on the PS Eye, and that is JusTheFacts point.

BTW, total >> sum of the parts.

PS Eye + PSMOVe = Motion controlled Augmented reality or games like ECHOCROME 2. The possibilities are there. Action RPGs like Oblivion done with MOVE, fast action game like MGS:Rising MOVE enabled, + RTS.

oohWii...

You had me until you start defending fanboy trolls...namely Omega.

The issue for many is not that the technology is OLD, but the results are OLD - We're seeing much of the same games from EyeToy. Butt hurt or not, you are going to hear people - fanboys and regular gamers alike - questioning Kinect's practicality just like we did EyeToy.

Again, defending Omega is just DUMB.

I don't think he was defending omega as much so as he was defending the fact that people should be allow to have their own opinions. Omega just happened to be the fanboy being ganged up on at the time. And to that point I agree, although I do feel omega is doing some of the stuff he's doing because he only has one bubble and he feels like, "oh well whatever, they can't take away my last bubble so I'll say what I want to."

@raztad

Thanks.

To be honest I'm actually not sure how the bubble system here works as I'm still at three. Would I need another one to go up or does it mean others took them away as well?

@YourCall
See the difference between your post and mine is people actually learned some things they may not have known before. But if your basic insecurities cause you to perceive that as being a Mr. KnowItAll - as if knowledge is a bad thing anyway - rather than someone that can simply use basic logic and reasoning based on the evidence - then that's your problem. Not mine. But I guess your lack of personal responsibility now makes me arrogant as well.

As a side note the reason I didn't get a 360 in the summer of 2006 is because I noticed that the several co-workers and my kids friends each had their systems fail already. I thought the probabilities of that happening were astronomically high to be a coincidence given the reliability we had with our Xbox. But I guess I should have just buried my head in the sand and ignored the evidence around me then as well. So much easier to call me a conspiracy theorist or a douche instead. Or that the Live costs and all the accessories I would have had to add to match the PS3 abilities actually made the 360 the most expensive console for us even when the PS3 launched. But again if it makes you feel better to call me a douche because I used a calculator and the same rational thought process then so be it. YourCall.

Ever heard that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts? The proof is really simple. You can verify it for yourself independently without any of my MrKnowItAll input poisoning the pool.

The genre of games being supported by the Move exceeds what either the Wii or Kinect have shown individually. Please refute the facts instead of using cliches with nothing to back them up. At least my cliches are supported. How about yours?

RTS and FPS are coming to the Move but not Kinect due to precision, accuracy, buttons of a controller and being able to POINT with a controller. Spin detection is another one.

Augmented reality games coming to Move but not Wii because of the optical camera aspect. Also spin, drawing, writing, building games relying on high precision and accurate movement in 3D space will be on the Move and not the Wii because of the camera.

See how my conclusions are actually based on reasoning and facts based on the evidence. If it makes you feel better to call me a douche for doing that well then that's YourCall.

@Sheikh
Thanks for getting the multiple points as well. Omega is a troll that adds nothing of substance. And I see YourCall continued to defend/empathize with him even after your statement while applying little of the same effort to my reasoning based on evidence. Like I said people are funny. That's life.