1) It uses 4GB of internal flash memory, not a hard drive
2) It will have the same hard drive bay that the 250GB Xbox 360 S has

Worthless article.

Isn't Microsoft supposed to be promoting some sort of Digital stuff that you download onto space? Limiting space is stupid.

It probably won't save them a whole lot either, and could easily make it back with a couple XBL sales...

How long before Microsoft starts selling overprice hard drives for this model?

I expect it to be right next to the 4GIG box...

Isn't really bad it won't use the old model hard drives which some people paid a LOT for.

Its made for people who just want to play Kinect and not designed around us 'Hard core' gamers.

well the reason they can go 100 dollars cheaper, is the likely hood of someone going out and getting a hard drive later at 150 is where they hope to recoup

but it is lame 4GB, I think there should be a 120GB HD on that one. Or 60.

You play 8 games at once ?

I barely play 2 at once, if ever

You can then erase and put another, it is rather simple, you can also use any USB stick if erasing a game from the stick is so much trouble and your time so precious

And no, i dont think having a 250$ price for a bigger HDD would be a good idea, there is a 300$ model for that with a huge HDD for those that do need one

So they can sell Kinects on the "cheap" to clueless consumers who will have to turn right around and buy a expensive HDD.

4Gb is a joke...

An 8Gb flash drive cost less than 10 dollars... and 250gb hdd cos 40 dollars...

Xbox 360 Arcade with 80Gb is more reasonable

Everything Microsoft does is justified. Even if you did buy flash drives that is only a little more than 30 gigs you are talking about. Still basically nothing. And then you have to buy a new hard drive if you want more space. So basically it is cheaper until you have to spend money to upgrade it? When will people learn that cheaper doesn't mean more value? If you just brought the system with a bigger hard drive for a little more money you wouldn't have to do all that.Microsoft screws everyone again and you bend over and take it without even a struggle. Besides I doubt the non gamers who Microsoft are targeting know about changing and installing hard drives in system like a tech head does.

I've been debating on getting one of the new xbox 360's. I've always stuck by Sony but they just can't hang with the games I usually get. Sony's 1st party games are going down hill and am not interested in any of them on the way.

Gt5
Twisted Metal
LBP2

I don't like or want any of them. They have ignored my demograph of action/adventure/rpg for too long and have focused on the absurd casuals and online players. I'm pretty sick of Sony, to be honest. I love the DS3, though. But the xbox 360 has it all, if you think about it. The best of it too. Their games look better and there is a bigger, more stable community of players there. I might be trading the DS, after all these years, for an Xbox360 controller real soon.

It just makes sense to do it. The xbox 360 has the better versions of the games I play the most. Games that actually cater to my taste. Sony has spent too much time focusing on everything I don't like

Racers - Community Building Games like LBP - And 3-d. I don't want any of that stuff. I just want to game a game and be done with it.

Can't you use the official USB drives? I'm thinking about getting a 360 this fall, but I don't want to spend too much money, as I'm already getting raped by all the games that are coming out later in the year. Either way, I'm sure MS has a solution in the works.

The $300, 4GB Kinect bundle isn't geared towards Supreme Gamer, but the person who is interested in Kinect...and pretty much that's it. That's plenty of space for Kinect game add-ons and gamer profiles, Avatar items, etc. The $200 console itself is an entry, exactly like the Arcade before it. With less memory.

All it does is replace the current arcade 360. The more space is for kinect since it needs memory to run it, you need memory to run the dashboard too. New HDD's will come out later on.

The problem with too many gamers like the one that wrote the article is they want consoles with lots of storage for nothing. If Arcade does have 60GB HDD built-in, there's no reason for many semi-casual gamers to spend the extra $100 for the 250GB model. This new Arcade already has wireless built-in for free.

Reality is gamers want everything built-in in the console for nothing and then they want every accessory to be sold for nothing. Only then they are happy. By then the console company is out of business. Then the gamers complain again why the console company can out of business if they are selling the console with everything built-in and the accessories for nothing.

My opinion is this new Arcade is practical for casual gamers. It has 4GB of storage with wireless. It does have the empty hard drive bay. There isn't an option for buying an hard drive today but it's often a timed delay for marketing purposes. Of course when the hard drive is available for purchase, it will be priced higher than generic hard drive which gamers will complain again. The whole strategy of multi console models is if you want to have a large storage then buy the 250GB model to begin with. If you can't afford the extra $100 for the 250GB model, pay less for the Arcade model now, and then save the money to upgrade to the higher priced hard drive later. It's a standard practical on any kind of product even food.

As for Arcade is the only model to have Kinect bundle, it's all marketing illusion for lower price to compete with PS3 Move. Even PS3 console with Move bundle is also a marketing illusion for the pricing because Navigator controller is also needed (yes, you can use the DS controller in place of Navigator but it's not the most practical way to use it) or Sony wouldn't have make Navigator controller.

Reality is as a gamer, if you already know you need a lot of storage and play a lot of games, you are not a casual gamer and will spend whatever to get the best models available. They are often the same group of gamers that will buy the most expensive Collector's Edition.

How did this get approved it's a terrible article! It's 4Gb of flash internal memory not a hard drive and they have upped it because Kinect and the dash require more than the 256Mb in the original systems.

The only problem that I have with the 4GB model is the same thing I have with all 360 and PS3 models...you don't actually have that much usable space. If I'm not mistaken the operating system will chew about 2GB of that space.

I feel like they should have to advertise the "actual" usable space somewhere on the box. I install all of my games to the HDD, reduces noise and strain on the system...when you're installing games like Star Ocean and Lost Odyssey @ 15GB+ you can eat up a 250GB hard drive pretty quick

I would have to imagine that Kinect will have some software to install to the HDD...with 4GB you will not have much room to do much of anything.

I live too far out in the country to get high speed internet so Xbox live and DLC aren't a concern for me, I don't have a lot of money and I already use my PS3 for all my multimedia. So while a 360 4GB may be an unbearable thought to most, it would be a pretty good deal for me in my situation. The only reason I haven't got a 360 yet is every time I have the money I end up spending it on PS3 games.

$199 for this new 360 Arcade S is too much.

We are FIVE yrs into the 360's lifecycle and this arcade should be at $149.

Logic being also that Kinnect alone cost $149 and the Arcade/Kinnect Bundle cost $299.

for the casuals who could careless if there was 500GB or 1GB

The $300 Arcade/Kinect bundle is a rip off, im not gonna complain about it not having a hard drive, i think thats a good choice, as not everyone needs 250 gigs, but rather the price of $300, why not $250? Why must you over charge on EVERYTHING?

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau

Helix will be expensive but it's still a day one for me.

Oh, my days...
So Nadella meets with the US president multiple times to ensure AI regulations are minimal if any at all, donates to the inauguration and ballroom, and his boy not only won't regulate AI as farmers lose land and billionaires/corporations buy up farmland to build data centers...but because he's insane and compromised, he starts a war on behalf of a rogue colonial zionist state and [further] destabilizes the Middle East, restricting component access and helium supply.

Now the head of Xbox is saying the hardware pricing "could impact" next generation hardware pricing? Asha,...your boss at a minimum played a direct role in this. What are we even talking about?

Yea because a $3 trillion company can’t absorb the majority of the cost to keep the product lower for consumers.

Expensive… oh no, here comes another flop.

Could? Strange how prices rise for virtually everything we buy, yet when things settle down, prices don't come down. This has been happening in the UK probably before I was born. With that, how much is a next gen console going to cost? Look at the price of the PlayStation 5 Pro, which has been a flop for Sony. On that note, we don't need the next consoles for another 5 years.

I guarantee if people just stopped buying this kinda stuff all together. This would all be sorted within 2 weeks and everything would be back to normal.

We seen the exact same thing through the COVID period. Companies just jumped on the bandwagon realising that they can get away with charging far more under false pretences and fear mongering.

Consumers now have this fear of "you know what, I only live once. I'm going to spend all this money I earned through my hard work" Or "I only live once I'm going to take a loan out and enjoy my time here".

Silicone Valley spends literally billions of dollars researching how much they can push society to the limits to increase spending. You can research it yourself. There's published written documentation about it. Have a look for yourself into their group research into subscription programs to see how evil they are and why it's such a giant focus of current civilization. Its the very essence of corporate capitalism.

Just delay all new consoles. I could easily go another 5 years with my base PS5.

could? it's already affecting current gen pricing.

It is greed. Apple are selling at the same price, while Microsoft Surface increases 500$ per unit. Karma will tell.