Call me ignorant, but you rally have to hold the DS3 in your one hand? Umm

Some people obviously err into the weeds with the idea that everyone that gets a motion controller has to have two.

Where were all of these people making the "you need two of each when the Wii was flying off the shelf?

Lack of two controllers. Now we know why the Wii didn't sell.

If that is the only defense in the argument - you need two of them - then any defense of that point of view instantly fails and drags Kinect down with it.

So you don't have to have two, but as an honest question:

What will those hardcore games be like without either two move wands or the move wand and navigation?

I cannot speak with any knowledge about it, because I have not tried it, but how realistic is it to hold the DS3 the whole time you are playing a game. It doesn't seem practical, but like I said I haven't tried.

if a friend wants to play MP he brings his over

the same logic can be applied to Move

think about it....just stop and think about it

@ PS360 - if you use a sixaxis its lighter = easy, just tried it its 100% doable.

In terms of actual pricing, I prepose a theory. The camera and two moves two Navs cost about 160 round a out, but the navigation controllers shouldn't even be figured on this, cause Kinect doesn't have the ability to move, so the ability to move around(not on rails), is a bonus.

The short answer is if you want everything you need for Move is that yes, it is more expensive.

"How would you play that fighting game they showed and Sorcery"

Why ask ? Does Kinect have a game like that ?

That's like asking, you need something for a game you have to buy in the first place; which BTW the competition does (and cannot) offer at all.

--Edit:

"What will those hardcore games be like without either two move wands or the move wand and navigation?"

Read above. Yep, still applies... I still don't know what that "additional" controller costs for the hardcore games using Kinect. /s

"What will those hardcore games be like without either two move wands or the move wand and navigation?

I cannot speak with any knowledge about it, because I have not tried it, but how realistic is it to hold the DS3 the whole time you are playing a game. It doesn't seem practical, but like I said I haven't tried. "

Grab a DS3 controller hold it with one hand and imagine if it would feel comfortable after an hour.... I highly doubt it would be comfortable holding something like that with one hand not to mention long term strain.

If you want PS Move, I suspect the vast majority will end up buying the Navigator. Repetitive strain injuries are not fun, definitely not worth $30.

I think the confusion with PS Move already started, heck it isn't even clear to me what is really required to enjoy PS Move. Two wands, one wand, navigator and/or DS3? It might be early, but Sony needs to step it up and create some kind of standard identification system that denotes what it needs.

They also need to create a package specifically for people that already have the camera. I want the game bundled in, but don't want to pay all over again for a second camera...

RTS would this should be pretty cool.

>>Grab a DS3 controller hold it with one hand and imagine if it would feel comfortable after an hour...

Now imaging STANDING in front of Kinect for an hour and feel comfortable.
Holding a Dualshock or a Sixaxis is alternative to pay $30 for a Nav. If you do not yet have spare $30, then you hold a controller instead of Nav. When you scratch up those unimaginable $30 for Nav, you go and buy Nav. It's that simple.

@ Kigmal
>>Wouldn't two sets of Move controllers be $160?

Do you have two controllers for your console? Was it so hard to get money for the second one? Move is for core games, so you need only one pair: one Move and one Nav just for yourself. If you want casual party crap to entertain a drunk croud, then why still didn't you get a Wii?

And why only two Move controllers? There will be 32 (I hope) players in SOCOM, so why don't you say "you need 32 Move controllers"? Because I only need one to play SOCOM online with 32 players and not 32 of them.

Cez hit the nail right on the head. :]
Great post!

"Kinect bundle with the 4gb 360 ( $199 ) will cost $299. PS3 bundle with Move ... and a game YOU WANT to play and it's $600..."

Haha, that's so true. No cost for games YOU WANT to play with Kinect, since there aren't any.

(Hey, he said it first.)

Kinect Bundle and a HDD: $349 (or something).

+a game you actually want to play: priceless (which would that be ?)

Also, pulling numbers out of a.. lately ? A second controller now is $499 all of a sudden ? A game another $100 ? You just make random sh!t up. Nice try. (Controller $49, Game $39, unlike "hardcore" Kinect games for 60)

You can argue about price all you want and shift the numbers back and forth, but the fact is to enjoy almost everything on the 360 for TWO players, all you need is buy their $300 bundle.

If you went with Wii, sure the ticket is $200, but casuals want to play togheter so the total is more lik $300, because of the extra nunchuck, wii mote and motion plus.

PS3 you already start at $300 and then you add 2x wands, at least one navigator or DS3, camera... your ticket quickly adds up as follows:

$300 PS3
$100 PS Move Bundle incl. camera, 1x wand and a game
$ 50 1x Wand
$ 30 1x Navigator or DS3
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$480

If one has to argue, I think the Xbox 360 Arcade alone offers a lot more value than the Wii... but then again Wii didn't win because of value. It had something unique... Let's see if Kinect has that magic this holiday?

IdleLeeSiuLung:

Slight correction: if you were getting a PS3 new, you would get the bundle. Granted, it's still more expensive than the new gimped 360, but...

$400 PS3, DS, camera, 1x wand and a game
$ 50 1x Wand
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$450

Nope.... I already accounted for that.

You will need a total of 2x wands and 2x DS3/navigator. I assumed you already used the DS3 included in the PS3 and so only added another $30 to total for $480.

The whole thing then adds 2x wands, 1x DS3 (included with the PS3) and then 1x navigator.

Really? "...at least one navigator or DS3..." But anyways. Does anybody know: Are there any two player games that use the DS3/Navigational controller?

I mean, SOCOM, sure, but that's generally a one-player game with multiplayer being done by online. Sorcery also looks like a one-player game...

Oh. Dang, stupid bubble system. You can't respond directly... Well, hopefully at some point someone else will see this and respond.