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Cold 20005776d ago

"The Xbox 360 4GB plus the Kinect sensor and Kinect Adventures will be available as a bundle for £249.99/€299.99 when Kinect launches in the UK this November."

Pretty reasonable price for casuals IMO.

Conloles5776d ago Show
zootang5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

I now have nothing to say, maybe to dear but who knows? Microsoft don't tend to price their items cheaply.

Zir05776d ago

I agree the bundle sounds very good, alone not so much.

But at least the games are only £40 rather than £50.

gallospqra5776d ago

..for what? the same price everyone talked about in the last year? (if not more, I don't know the change for US dollars)

so much disappointment

Active Reload5775d ago

Seriously MS, you should bring the price down on the 4gig to $150 ESPECIALLY since you don't have plans to sale the 250gig hdd separately that comes with the more expensive one. I would of bought 1 or 2 of the 4gigs at a $150 price point.

Montrealien5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

the 4gb kinect bundle for 299$ is the more interesting news imho, if well advertised, that bundle should sell well. The rest is already old news, or feels like it anyways.

This holiday will be hot hot hot for every console imho, good time to be a gamer. Then again, a big chunk of the N4G crowd will dissagree with this, suprised?

One thing we can learn from N4G with this news, is that Wizziokid and the maybe hundred or so that will agree with him do not want it.

HolyOrangeCows5775d ago

"Pretty reasonable price for casuals IMO"
LOL, yeah right. $300USD/£249.99/€299.99 is not a freaking reasonable price for casuals. Not when the Wii is a mere $200.

"Bu but it's just a place holder! Microsoft will sell it in vending machines it will be so cheap! It will be the next big thing!"

Reibooi5775d ago

Well they failed to get the impulse buy price point which basially means no one is gonan buy it.

You can best an extra 50 and get a wii so why bother. The Wii already has proven games like Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Oboromuramasa, No More Hero's and many more so why buy a gimpy add on for 360 that has yet to prove it will be worth the price with all it's shovel ware junk?

darthv725775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

"The 4GB is internal flash memory, and the console has a black matte finish. Otherwise it's exactly the same as the "whisper quiet" Xbox 360 250GB, and includes built in Wi-Fi, the smaller design, and a hard drive bay."

That is actually quite surprising that the new "arcade" model would have wifi. 4gb of flash internal for saves is also not to bad. I use a 4gb usb drive for my profiles and have several xbla games saved to it as well as my gears, halo and mass effect extras and saves.

I like to take my flash drive between 360's in my house.

edit: seeing as it has the hdd bay leads to the conclusion that MS will sell at least some size hdd for this unit. It may not be the 250gb as they have stated but they could release something smaller like an 80 or 120. They could also release something bigger that the glossy units could use as well. 320...500...?

sikbeta5775d ago

Holy Crap! It was True after all, there was no "testing the watter" like some x-dudes were saying for like months, this is almost naive from MS side, they really believe people will buy and expensive motion control add-on for just 2 players (it seems) and a new console to play games the same people can have on the wii for $200... wow!

beardpapa5775d ago

AT that price point, it will ensure they sell more consoles than they do stand-alone kinect cameras, hence boosting their overall boasting capabilities even further. Seriously, the bundle sounds more appealing than the camera by itself.

Anon19745775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

This article only comments on UK and Euro pricing. 150 Euros at current exchange rates work out to $193 dollars US, so it'll probably be rounded up to $200. And the Arcade/Kinect bundle at 299 Euros works out to $390 US which would then most likely be rounded up to $400.

So is Kinect going to cost $200 US, or are Americans going to receive a break compared to Europe?

Edit: Wait. I just read the articles about the US pricing. So it is $150, as feared. That's almost the cost of a Wii itself. How Microsoft plans on winning the hearts and minds of casuals with a $150 camera is beyond me. At least it isn't as expensive in the US as it is in Europe. I can't see how anyone in Europe would touch Kinect with those steep prices.

RedDead5775d ago

So how much is Move and a game together? Is Natal 2 player on 1 camera?

Legosz5775d ago

Better spend that $140 on a video card that has even higher graphical capabilities then the xbox 360 all together.

gaffyh5775d ago

I really don't see it doing well at this price. I'd guess it get's a price cut after 2 months to $99 so that they can rip that extra $50 off those early adopters. I wasn't going to get it at all anyway, but MS seems to be living up to their ripoff name regarding peripherals.

Spydiggity5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

I don't know how much each piece costs. but for move to work completely, at the minimum you need the camera, the wii mote, and the nunchuck, and then a game. i think some games even require you to have 2 wii motes. so look up the price of all that and you've got your answer.

as for kinect, my understanding is that atm 2 ppl is the max, but they may be able to do updates down the road that get it up to 4. i wouldn't count on that though... not sure i'd want 4 ppl bouncin around in front of my TV...would make me really nervous. not that i'll be buying kinect anyway - or move for that matter. motion controls are for casuals...the hardcore don't want to increase their movements to convert thought to action, we want to reduce the necessary movements to increase response time.

@legosz: Never get tired of hearing these idiotic troll statements.

@gaffyh: did you make the same accusations of sony when the early adopters were naive enough to pay 599.99 for their ps3? doubt it.

RedDead5775d ago

So how much is two full MOVE controllers, the camera and a game?
I assume it's over $100.

I don't know why people are moaning about this. I would pick MOVE because it's basically a Wii with no lag on the tech of a Ps3. It makes the Wii obsolete imo.

However the prices are around the same overall. PS Move just comes in differant pieces.

Hideo_Kojima5775d ago

But like MS said 6 months ago the Price on Kinect will gradually drop just like console prices drop.

This isn't an addon that will stay this expensive like an extra 360 harddrive whos price stays the same.

TotalPS3Fanboy5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

I am sold on the Move.

gaffyh5775d ago

@Spydiggity - Just like a fanboy to bring up things completely unrelated to the topic to defend his beloved console. lol. But I'll answer you anyway.

1. There is a difference between value and price, at the $599.99 PS3 represented a hell of a lot of value, especially considering it cost Sony $800+ to produce each unit at that time. This is the same with EVERY SINGLE piece of new tech. At the time you were getting a console with a Blu-ray drive, backwards compatibility, 60GB HDD, WiFi, memory card reader etc. All of which were not available for the Xbox 360, which is why it was a lot cheaper at launch. Common sense?.

You can be a fanboy all you want (and I'm sure you will :D), but you cannot deny that those who bought the PS3 at launch actually got the best version of the console.

2. Kinect is meant for the casual audience, specifically trying to steal the Wii's audience. At the $150 price tag, it is just too expensive for a Wii owner to even consider buying. Because at the end of the day, it's a camera. It doesn't matter what tech is in it, the layman will just see a camera.

3. I don't remember anyone saying that the PS3 would sell well to the casuals at $599.99. It is a well known fact that these buyers only take notice of a console when it hits $199. Which is why the Wii has done so well.

The full PSMove set actually costs more than Kinect, however, you do not require anything other than the PS Move controller and Camera for most games. If you already have the camera/buy it now (incredibly cheap at some places), you will only buy the single controller. Sony are using MS' own tactic to get sales here. They will advertise the Move as "available from $49.99" like MS has always done with their console, advertising the Arcade at the very low price. That's why the Move is in a better position.

Although it depends on how well MS market this, I think they will market it very well, they always put their weight behind their products.

adamx5775d ago

it could be free and they would still go buy a wii.

insomnium5775d ago

This is ingenious of MS. They have the bundle at 300€ so all the people who has their console broken out of warranty now can buy that instead of the older model+Kinect as a standalone since that would cost a LOT more.

They get a new sale with an old costomer and additionally they get off the hook of the 3 year warranty with the new model. Ingenious like I said.

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qface645776d ago

oh looks like EVERYONE was right about the price

oh someone post that text picture that says NO THANK YOU

raWfodog5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

...if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: I was doing a straight conversion but after clicking on supporting articles I see the $150 price tag

Qui-Gon Jim5775d ago

But, unless i'm mistaken, Europe usually gets stuff at higher prices. I think they usually pay in Euros what America pays in dollars, i.e. if it is 150 Euros in Europe, it will most likely be $150 in the States.

Qui-Gon Jim5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

double post

tawak5775d ago

149 just add 50 more and youll get a whole new xbox 360 console
i dont need another xbox 360 unit in my room

fishd5775d ago

The price is unbelievable

$150 for a camera?!

You can buy the goddamn console with that money o.O

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Chubear5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

Oh pls. the 360fanbase will still buy this anyways. What in their history shows you they won't pay for this in the millions of users? You only have to look at the comment on 1.1 "Pretty reasonable price for casuals IMO."

Look at all the other ridiculous things people pay for on the 360 and sometimes they talk bad about a couple of things but still support it just clothing for their 2D 360mii avatars.

natal will sell millions to "hardcore" supporters of the 360 but it'll still fall flat. This is yet another HD DVD situation. Remember, they still went out and bought it for $70 even when it was decleared production for the thing had ceased and they claimed "that's a great price!". They will buy anything to help MS "win"

Belasco5776d ago

I will not be picking it up now, maybe when the price drops eventually. The price is completely unreasonable considering you can get an Arcade cheaper.

wages of sin5776d ago

Because paying $500-600's for a console at launch so I can play Genji is SO much more acceptable.

OT,
$150 for the sensor and a game? I was already sold but that's a great deal. The bundles they have announced sound good as well.

Play games, not names.

mrcash5776d ago

This will not get very much support, the price is ridiculous. This is more for newer adopters, most of my friends are on xbox and none have an interest in this contraption. There are no "core" games for it, and I really doubt there will ever be, well unless they can come up with a great strategy game. If they could come up with an amazing way to do a strategy game with kinnect, then i might just buy it.

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IdleLeeSiuLung5776d ago

It's unfortunate the price is $150... at least now we get a game with it. I would have preferred Kinect Sports.

Anyhow, you can blame that price on it's popularity. People were buying it at $150, so MS figured that is what they can charge for it. Kinect is still on amazon.com bestseller list, and has been there for the past 35 days with almost no real broad marketing.

Sigh!

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morganfell5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

Wagesofsin you don't want to go there. The 360 was 399 at launch. It will be 5 years old soon. Add 5 years of Live, wifi, HD DVD, no HDMI at launch....do I need to keep going? There is price and then there is value. It helps when you know the difference.

sikbeta5775d ago

@Chubear

I don't think so pal, I mean they could "support" everything coming from MS, but, lets be real here, kinect is an expensive add-on aimed to the casuals even if Casuals have more affordable choices and they don't going to buy this to play the same shovelware they do on the wii, but the point is that kinect doesn't show anything appealing for the x-core-fanbase, so I don't think they'll go buy this overpriced thing just because it's a MS product...

silvacrest5775d ago

why are you comparing a add on to a console?

the PS3 at launch was expensive but it had so much value out of the box

kinect is still unproven

Jazz41085775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

Ps3 gamers that think this is bad are sure forgetting something: and that is " 599 U.S Dollars " so you can play " Riiiiiiidge racer!" and have giant " Enemy Crabs" LOL and you guys are yelling about Kinect being 150 with a decent bundle. just wanted make sure you dont forget Sonys great pricing and the Move is no better priced.

The Lazy One5775d ago

taking all things into consideration it is a reasonable price to start at. If it were too low, they'd be setting themselves up for shortages and saying no to free money.

I won't buy it at that price (unless I get a bundle, which is also unlikely), but I can think of plenty of people who will find that Kinect/360 bundle very attractive.

Knowing Microsoft's ability to market I'm sure they'll sell plenty of them at that price though.

bigj5775d ago

Why the hell does it bother you what people buy.Are you there financial advisor? Do you work for Sony?Why would you care? You are probably the one that got shafted when Sony was selling the PS3 for $600.Sony never overprices their stuff (sarcasm)and as for paying $70 for the hddvd I have 2 of them and about 35 movies that I still watch and enjoy.Im sure there is alot of people that enjoy their hddvd drive.HDDVD would still be selling if it wasnt for Sony buying out movie studios because they were still butthurt over beta max.

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EYEamNUMBER15776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

or you could just add 50 more dollars and buy an entire console (wii)

EDIT: wait WHAT am i saying that pretty much is the price of a wii what with conversion rates no?

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skip2mylou5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

radogg your the idiot u dolt if you convert the prices from euros to us dollar it comes out to being the same price of the wii in the states give or take a few extra dollars
EDIT
http://www.xe.com/ucc/conve... conversion of 149euro to us dollar

DeFFeR5773d ago

Did you even bother doing research?

Go to amazon.COM, www.majornelson.com, target.com, bestbuy.com...

ALL listed for US$ 149.99.

As I said... still too expensive, but not $200 US

Christopher5776d ago

***A lot of people have talked about this being the type of leap you would typically see when you went to a new generation," he said. "But the nice thing is we're able to bring that next generation experience to market this generation."***

There is no generation leap with Kinect, just another method using motion controls to play casual games. What a d*ckish PR statement to try and run past us.

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I expect the new arcade box to sell well enough. I personally believe Kinect shouldn't sell much because it really isn't doing much, but in the past I've been proven wrong because I just don't understand the casual market and how they tend to be easily sold into new stuff like this.

Joule5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

Hell no this is gonna turn out like HD-DVD

iPad5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

Fail.

EDIT: The Xbox 360 4GB plus the Kinect sensor and Kinect Adventures will be available as a bundle for £249.99/€299.99 when Kinect launches in the UK this November.

299.99 EUR = 386.916 USD

Xbox 360 4GB + Kinect and Kinect Adventures= $400
PS3 120GB or more( I forgot) + MOVE + EyeToy + Sports Champions= $400

Which one Would you buy? It's quite obvious. Plus, does the 360 bundle even include an actual 360 controller? If it doesn't, then FAIL.

howjord5775d ago

Yes the xbox bundle comes with
Built-in Wi-Fi for easy connection to Xbox LIVE

Super quiet with sleek new design plus matching controller

Ready for the controller-free fun of Kinect

What's in the Box?

Xbox 360 Console with 4GB Memory
Xbox 360 Arcade Console (Matt Black)
Xbox 360 Black Wireless Controller
Xbox 360 Composite A/V cable (Standard Definition)
One Month Xbox LIVE Gold Membership
1 Year Limited Express Warranty

Kinect
Sensor
Kinect: Adventures!
Power Supply Cable
Kinect game
Manual
Wi-Fi Extension Cable

also you forgot that kinect does 2 players at once. so add another move controller plus the 2 additional numchuck controllers.

in the uk the total is

2x move controllers £70
2x numchuck controllers £50
1x eyetoy £20
1x game £40

total =£180!!!

kinect plus game is only £129

jakethemuss5775d ago

which is around 70 pound which includes the camera, both controls, and a game. Thus the move is cheaper for one player and about the same price for two players.

ProjectVulcan5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

I think you will find howjord that PS3 starter pack includes the camera and one move for 44.99 pounds. http://www.argos.co.uk/stat...

Two navigation controls = 45.70 pounds http://www.shopto.net/PS3/V...

One extra move = 31.85 pounds http://www.shopto.net/PS3/V...

By my maths, that makes a total for two move players = 122.54 pounds........

Its a total lie that move is a lot more expensive for two players. You dont even need the navigation controllers if you have pads but the way microsoft have priced kinect move starts to look affordable. whats more, you probably own a game on PS3 that will be patched to be compatible with the new controls.

howjord5775d ago

you don't get a game with the ps3 starter pack so add £40

RubMyTaco5775d ago

Just wanted to point out that over here in the Netherlands the pricing for move will be:

- Move seperate: 40 euros
- Nav controller: 30 euros
- Move + eye + demo disc: 60 euros!!!

So adding that up would be:

move + eye 60
move 40
2x nav 60
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total 140

That's less than kinect and the nav controllers are optional.
So what do you have to say about that? ^^

There's no way I'm buying kinect! Move has way more games for the core gamer such as Time Crisis which would be the only reason I need to get move. And then you've got games that will be updated to work with move.

The Lazy One5775d ago

@"The Xbox 360 4GB plus the Kinect sensor and Kinect Adventures will be available as a bundle for £249.99/€299.99 when Kinect launches in the UK this November.

299.99 EUR = 386.916 USD "

They usually price things the same in euro and USD despite the conversion rates.

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Mista T5776d ago

holy sh*t.... me too, I'll pass

I'd rather buy a black wii and play all the games I've missed, or you can buy a pre owned wii on amazon for 112$

pippoppow5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

There has not been one game shown that cannot be done on the $30 PSeye. Yes it is more advanced but it should not cost more than half the price at the most. The usual MS supporters will defend the price but it cannot be refuted how much of a ripoff it is. MS is used to selling over priced equipment like the 360s(should be $200) and add-on components, so it's nothing new.

Will be interesting to see how well it sells.

lelo2play5776d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

To expensive at £129.99/€149.99. Big mistake by Microsoft putting Kinect (+ game) at this price. For €149.99 Kinect (+ game) better work flawlessly.

... but have to give credit to Microsoft for... The Xbox 360 4GB plus the Kinect sensor and Kinect Adventures for £249.99/€299.99. That's a good price for casuals or who hasn't got a X360.

AssassinHD5775d ago

I am not sure that anything that is more expensive than the Wii could be considered a "good price for casuals". People who already own a Wii will likely just keep using that, and casuals who are making a first console purchase will likely just go with the cheaper offering.

whoelse5775d ago

It looks like a good deal when you consider a standard 120GB PS3 is the same price.

inception1235775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

lol i love watching 360 fanboys trying to spin stuff like this even when there is no good way for them to spin. they all said it wouldn't be $150 that it was only ps3 fanboys spreading rumors now we know it is accually more expensive and they have to defend it. where would we be without the 360 fanboy's wacky shenanigans. :)

ProjectVulcan5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

Costs as much as a wii bundle by itself, or more than a 360 arcade all by itself.....

Definite pass

slimy the g8ter5775d ago

pay $50 and get a new game system.jesus never would have though Microsoft would b doing this

EVILDEAD3605775d ago

Prediction..50 articles claimimg Kinect price will be it's downfall..150 posts from the 'usual' suspects re-iterationg the same thing..

Reality..All 3 bundles put over 4 million Kinects into homes..Kinect Sports will be the #1 selling Kinect title this holiday.

Let the games begin..

Evil

slimy the g8ter5775d ago

while im enjoying halo reach,fable 3,dead space 2. u have fun buying that pos.i admit if it was $50,i would want 1

Jazz41085775d ago

Why is anyone debating this with the hardcore. Im sorry Kinect and Move will not get a purchase from me but we all know Sony and MS want the Wii's audience and these products are not built with the current core base in mind and on here we are the core base so arguing over this crap is stupid and pointless unnless you are just a dire Fanboy that will defend anything that comes out in SOnys or MS name.

J-Smith5775d ago

i an sure some idiots will buy it tho. remember a few got that hd-dvd add on for the 360 LoL

r1sh125775d ago

No thanks, that non controller is worth more than my xbox..

AAACE55775d ago

Now I am sure I won't be buying this... not right away anyways! I kept hoping I would find reason to own this, but it's starting to look like a pepeat of that HD-DVD player all over again.

I am not too big on the games and I will probably use it more for the netflix and stuff, so for that, it's not worth the price to me!

ThatArtGuy5775d ago

I eventually bought one for $15 new.

tinybigman5775d ago

i think people seem to forget the PS3 is not the first home console to launch with such a high price point. take a look below

Panasonic 3DO $699.95 only 2 million sold (no longer exists)
Neo-Geo $649.99 (best package)
$399.99 (cheaper package) they don't even have numbers on how many this has sold. (no longer exists)

now PS3 $499/599 35 million and counting. here's the most important part it's still around and will continue to sell. so please stop bringing up PS3 launch price to counter people complaining about an expensive camera.

tinybigman5775d ago

someone disagreeing with the truth gotta love N4G

Pika-pie5775d ago

Its a shame they couldnt get that price down anymore. I think this would do loads more at a £99.99. Perception between £99.99 and £129.99 is huge.

BannedForNineYears5775d ago

229.30 dollars?! I'm good. Thanks, but no thanks.

monkeybizz5775d ago

motion controls? yawn that fad was so three years ago :D
joe bloggs' mom goes into shop, 150 euros sir? no thanks

out of all the comments i have read, people are failing to realise who the market is for these motion controls. It is definitely not n4g folk. It is for your mom and sisters.

I think MS and Sony have priced themselves out the market place, they forget that nearly everyone who they are aiming for, has got a Wii and is not gonan spend over 200 bux for a new console/motion control.

Cant wait to see what the prices are like after Christmas.

ShadowCK5775d ago

Of course you guys would pass. Most of you don't have a Xbox 360.

The casual audience are buying to buy this and it's going to sell like hotcakes. You, not buying it isn't going to collapse the sales of Kinect nor is it going to offend Microsoft.

Willio5775d ago

4GB cant install any games.

vhero5775d ago

This will finally shut up those fanboys saying it won't be released at that price. Wii sold so well as it hit a sweet spot for consumers Kinect doesn't even get anywhere near that. Shame as with the last arcade model it seemed like MS were trying to get to that sweet spot. The 4GB idea probably won't work as people will look at it as more expensive than the regular model and just go for regular model as it has a bigger hard drive.

hennessey865775d ago

i'm getting it on day 1 cant wait

No Way5775d ago (Edited 5775d ago )

Damn, I wish I could say one word and get 150 agrees..

Hah, this site fails so much.

hennessey865775d ago

im getting move aswell m8 im a gamer not a fangirl

PopEmUp5775d ago

what an expensive dvd player :P

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cobraagent5776d ago (Edited 5776d ago )

clearly doesn't want the 40 million people who bought a 360 to buy Kinect
Agree if you won't buy Kinect
Disagree if you will buy Kinect

Applegate5776d ago

It will still sell like fire though. N4G has no impact on the real world.

Anyway wont be getting one for that price.

EYEamNUMBER15776d ago

N4G has no impact on the real world but price sure does

fuckoffodion5776d ago

In this tough economic time, you really think that a $150+ add-on that no games that really appeals to anyone but casuals, is going to sell like fire?..to the casual? LOL
Believe what you want. I'm going to bookmark this comment.

The Lazy One5775d ago

I bet it sells fine. Microsoft will have Natal on every morning, noon, and night time news program as the next great way to do yoga. It won't even matter if it works amazingly, because the premise alone will sell it. The casual market will see a controllerless Wii and think "Sweet!" Mom's around the globe will think "HOW COOL A NEW WAY TO GET IN SHAPE AT HOME WITHOUT THE HASSLE OF CONTROLLERS AND BATTERIES!"

And like I've said before, I'm sure M$ priced it high to encourage people to buy new 360s instead of just the addon. The 4gb 360 deal is a really good deal, and M$ will be able to say it sole 5 or 6 million 360s and kinects through the holiday instead of 4 million 360s and 5 million kinects. A 360 and a Kinect will net them a lot more money than a 360 or a kinect alone in the long run.

Denethor_II5775d ago

Definitely not. You would have to have serious mental problems to sit alone with a tiger pretending its your friend. Come to think of it, what does Kinect actually do?

FunkyzeitMitBruno5776d ago

50% Price cut within 9 months after very low sales I guess.

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Prcko5776d ago

biggg pass,2 expensive anyway

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

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To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

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The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

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Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

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Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

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15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

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Eonjay15d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn215d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn214d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown15d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay15d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay15d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac14d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde15d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde14d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Agent7516d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_14d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.